Water Sparkplug

[Aaron]

voltage potential

Hi Boguslaw,

The compressed voltage potential I would imagine would simply be a much higher voltage spike.

If someone uses a couple hundred thousand volt spike to begin with, it may not be necessary to compress against a diode since that would ionize enough to have a lv source follow it. Just guessing.

If 20kv leaves the coil but in this spark circuit, 25kv can be measured at the spark plug gap, that would be some evidence that there is some further increase of voltage.

Also, the nature of the voltage potential may change and this is something I can't get into right now.

[Aaron]

thanks Ash!

That would be great Ash! Thank you!

[ashtweth]

No thank you cheif

Aaron, pweez drop me a PM in future encase i miss any more infoz you need in there Bro, got some snaps of ours soon too.
Typing up a COMPLETE Bedini course ATM in prep for Ren's and Marts stuff. The self runner is coming too (Rick's) Am more interested on your SS tho

Ash

[Ozicell]

After watching you guys playing around with inverters and such, I thought I better share another method of approaching the problem.

'Snip'

My reason for adding this information here is that I feel that by using inverters etc, it may all be in vain, as you can get "into the white" with a lesser spark once you pressurise it above 50psi.

I believe that once you add HHO to the equation, along with a water vapour, you should be able to successfully achieve the desired result without wasting precious time over-engineering the matter.

Hi Rosco and group, first of all I am new here so please excuse me for not being up to speed.

Rosco, I was wondering about your home made spark enhancer, is it the same as the schematics above as discussed on this thread? Also, were you testing a standard plug or modified? I'd appreciate and opinion of a plg I modified but have not yet testing in the motor as I only have 1 plug. You can view and open air test at:-

YouTube - Ball Spark Plug Test

It did a couple of other vids, 1 with no earth straps and 1 with the earth clamp disconnected, basically just because I was curious to see what happens and it was intersting to see the effects, especially the induction effects with the earth clamp held at a distance from the plug. At least I found it interesting!

If you get a chance to watch them please let me know what you think and how and enhancer may or may not be an improvement.

Cheers
Jeff

[Aaron]

highlight Imhotep's circuit

That's great Ash! Make sure to get some doc together on Imhotep's basic cirucit. There is more to come but the first lite circuit gets people's foot in the door!

[Aaron]

plasma ignition with firestorm plug

Jeff, can you put this spark method to that firestorm replication and show us what happens?

[Ozicell]

Jeff, can you put this spark method to that firestorm replication and show us what happens?

Sorry for being dumb Aaron but what method are you referring to? Spark enhancement maybe? Or another method of test viewing?

Also, unfortunately tomorrow I leave to work away from home for 2 - 3 weeks so it may have to wait.

Anyway, please advise.

Cheers
Jeff

[Aaron]

water spark

Hi Jeff,

Build the circuit in the schematics here:
http://www.esmhome.org/library/water...emannspark.zip

Apply that spark to your plug.

[Ozicell]

Thanks Aaron,

I'll get on to it as soon as I can but you probably won't see anything for a few weeks as I won't be home. Also, is this the amplifier that Rosco was referring too?

Jeff

[rosco1]

Welcome Jeff

Hi Rosco and group, first of all I am new here so please excuse me for not being up to speed.

Rosco, I was wondering about your home made spark enhancer, is it the same as the schematics above as discussed on this thread? Also, were you testing a standard plug or modified? I'd appreciate and opinion of a plg I modified but have not yet testing in the motor as I only have 1 plug.

G'day Jeff,

My tests were done using a simple air gap principal, placed inline with the spark plug lead, on a running V8 Holden engine. It was basically following the "Meissner" principal, or so I'm led to believe.

I tested standard plugs as well as modified variants of the plugs we use in the older model Holden engines.

While it did give positive results, it wasn't practical to continue exploring the worth of that principal, simply as it never took the plasma beyond the magenta colour.

Once pressure was applied to the spark, above 50 psi, it did turn the plasma "white", but on closer examination, the radiance still contained a hint of "blue", which tells me that I wasn't quite achieving the desired result.

I applied water to the equation, and while the water disappeared quickly, I saw no evidence of it exploding or reacting in a violent way.

Use this link to see a few examples of different spark intensifiers I tested:
Spark intensifier.

The plug you have there looks to be a replica of the Firestorm, may I ask, is the base for the replication a resistorless plug?

Your replication looks to be doing good things, congratulations! I particularly like the way the spark dances around, your video captures this nicely.

Rather than use the air gap principal, the way forward appears to be the "Kiker" wire approach, see the new thread on the main page and check in there.

I feel this will be the best way to fire that plug of yours. Also, if you're close by, you're welcome to use the pressure bell I have here to test that plug in.
My postcode is 3029.

Regards,
Ross.

[ashtweth]

That's great Ash! Make sure to get some doc together on Imhotep's basic cirucit. There is more to come but the first lite circuit gets people's foot in the door!

Yes Sir most is done in the Bedini doc almost ready
ill knock over the HV ones and others

[Aaron]

low frequency phenomena

p.s. I looked around for 7 years on the Gray Tube stuff and splitting the positive and saw a lot of comments on high frequency phenomena. That doesn't have anything to do with it. The frequency of the tubes radiant effect is at whatever frequency the motor is turning.

If there are 3 tubes and there are 3 magnets or electromagnets on the rotor..there are 3 pulses per rotation. At 1000rpm, there are 3000 pulses per minute. If there are 3 separate tubes sections, there are 1000 pulses per minute per tube setup.

That isn't considered high frequency by a long shot. That is less than 17hz (17 pulses per second)...on a system with coils every 120 degrees)...multiply 17hz by every 1000 rpm increase and that is the speed....at 10,000 rpm if necessary to get there...that is only 170hz...that is SLOW compared to what high frequency is supposed to represent.

The effect can happen 1 pulse at a time and it is not a high frequency phenomena just like Luc's spark plug effect.

ONE PULSE AT A TIME - HIGH FREQUENCY UNNECESSARY

[Ozicell]

G'day Jeff,

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The plug you have there looks to be a replica of the Firestorm, may I ask, is the base for the replication a resistorless plug?

Your replication looks to be doing good things, congratulations! I particularly like the way the spark dances around, your video captures this nicely.

Rather than use the air gap principal, the way forward appears to be the "Kiker" wire approach, see the new thread on the main page and check in there.

I feel this will be the best way to fire that plug of yours. Also, if you're close by, you're welcome to use the pressure bell I have here to test that plug in.
My postcode is 3029.

Regards,
Ross.

Hi Rosco,

Thanks for the reply, yes the plug is resistorless.

I'll check out the other thread as well.

BTW did you check out the induction vid I put up. I expected the spark jump from the clamp but not the plug firing without the spark jump! Curious!

I used to live in North Balwyn when I was a kid many moons ago but now I am Cairns boy and loving it so I guess we won't be seeing each other soon.

Cheers
Jeff

[Ozicell]

G'day Jeff,

Rather than use the air gap principal, the way forward appears to be the "Kiker" wire approach, see the new thread on the main page and check in there.

I feel this will be the best way to fire that plug of yours. Also, if you're close by, you're welcome to use the pressure bell I have here to test that plug in.
My postcode is 3029.

Regards,
Ross.

Sorry Rosco but being new here I am finding it difficult to navagate my way around. Can you tell me the thread title please, I have looked in a few places and can't find the kiker wire you are talkling about.

Cheers and thanks
Jeff

[rosco1]

Kiker wire thread link

Sorry Rosco but being new here I am finding it difficult to navagate my way around. Can you tell me the thread title please, I have looked in a few places and can't find the kiker wire you are talkling about.

Cheers and thanks
Jeff

Hi Jeff,

Use this link:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...-products.html

Check out the patents(x5) attached to the 1st link in the 1st post.

There are a few approaches that can be taken, and several others are working on nice little ways to get that plug cracking. Keep an open mind here, as we could tackle this a few different ways, then figure out what's the most practical.

Remember that open air tests are not going to display the same results as pressure tests, and it could be that "less" really turns out to be "more" once pressures are applied.

At the least, we're all making progress toward a common goal.

Regards,
Ross