Ignition Secrets by Aaron Murakami - *** NEW RELEASE ***

[Aaron]

plasma ignition

Hi Ignition development colleagues.
I am Hungarian. Speak English poorly.
Results of my project.
Watch video:Plasma Spark 1 - YouTube

Thank you for your attention.

Regards nyemi

That's great Nyemi!

[Aaron]

o2 sensor sabotage

Can you explain what you mean by sabotaged?

Many fuel saving technologies really work but it makes your exhaust cleaner. Therefore, the o2 sensor thinks the engine is running to lean, increases the amount of fuel injected to bring it back to "normal" thereby sabotaging the gains you could have got.

[nyemi]

Hi Aaron
Thank recognition.

I ask.
What amount of energy is needed? The plasma ignition.
1 spark / energy = Joule

What is the correct value?
TIA
Regards nyemi

[tachyon]

anybody checked these? Halo Spark Plug - Increase Gas Mileage & Save Gas

[Flux It]

Many fuel saving technologies really work but it makes your exhaust cleaner. Therefore, the o2 sensor thinks the engine is running to lean, increases the amount of fuel injected to bring it back to "normal" thereby sabotaging the gains you could have got.

It seems to me if there were one thing you could leverage would be the O2 sensor for efficiency. All it does is measure free O2 and and the on-board computer averages it out. You can buy fakes to simulate it, but what if you just modified what it was sensing to actually use it to increase efficiency.

You can add a resistor for example, or flash the ecm chip itself.

[Aaron]

discharge energy

Hi Aaron
Thank recognition.

I ask.
What amount of energy is needed? The plasma ignition.
1 spark / energy = Joule

What is the correct value?
TIA
Regards nyemi

If you're using an off the shelf CDI as your cap charging circuit, then it will be whatever the cap is. Normally, they'll have a 350-600v cap at 2-4uf.

Some monster units are 1.6 joules per discharge, but I don't think you need anything that big. Remember that the plasma swells up under compression - so you don't need big.

400v @ 2uf = 160m joules or 0.16 joules. Not much but when you compress that into a small blip of time, you have a monster wattage impulse, which is made possible with the plasma method.

4uf is 320m joules and is about as much as I'd use seeing that we don't have plugs designed specifically for the plasma that are easily available.

[Aaron]

halo plugs

anybody checked these? Halo Spark Plug - Increase Gas Mileage & Save Gas

Haven't seen those for a while. 10% gas savings claims are going overboard because they're still using a conventional spark ignition. They are better than a conventional plug, but is the difference even measurable? In most cases, the answer is either no or the difference is so small it would takes years to pay back the plug.

That is the case for the pulstar plug, which has a peaking cap built into the plug and even that doesn't make enough difference.

If that is a non-resistor plug, it would be worth checking the longevity with the plasma.

[Aaron]

o2 sensor mods

It seems to me if there were one thing you could leverage would be the O2 sensor for efficiency. All it does is measure free O2 and and the on-board computer averages it out. You can buy fakes to simulate it, but what if you just modified what it was sensing to actually use it to increase efficiency.

You can add a resistor for example, or flash the ecm chip itself.

Well, the reference to your first question discussed the EFIE. That is a circuit that takes the voltage and drops the voltage before sending it to the fuel computer so that it does not sabotage the gains. It does work to a point and should only be used in conjunction with things that do increase the burn efficiency.

Just adding a resistor has not shown to do much.

Here is one things I experimented with: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...n-foulers.html

Modifying the chip can be done, but isn't practical for everyone. And modifying the fuel trims directly can result in people burning up their engine from running it to lean without anything to release more btu's from the same amount of fuel. The efie could cause damage by running the engine lean too if there isn't something to increase burn efficiency but that can also be bypassed with a simple switch.

Anyway, the most documented method of working around the o2 sensor is to use an EFIE circuit - or buy a carburetor car so you can lean out the jets. Here is an old video of one I built: EFIE O2 Sensor Modification - YouTube

[nyemi]

Hi Aaron
Thank you for your response.
IMHO. The capacitors will be a problem.
Because I applied voltage to 2000V in my new project.
link:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...Zrr8xuwR0/edit
I create. Several small values of assembling.

Regards nyemi

[Aaron]

cap size

Nyemi,

If you use a capacitor too big, it will destroy your plug, valves, etc...

That is ok for bench testing and learning but don't use anything that big for practical application.

[spiderkells]

parts

Hi Aaran,

I have built a signal generator identical to yours. I even used a launch switch like your one.

I wanted to ask you about some of the parts.

- What type of ignition coil would you recommend ? Would a 24v coil have any benefits ?

- What type of CDI to use

- What size cap to use for firing would I use

- what type of spark plug to use

- Is using an optocoupler in the bench timer necessary ?

I'm almost there, I have a 4 stroke honda engine from an old pressure washer to test on. Any advise would be awesome.

Thanks man

[spiderkells]

This is the bench timer I built

[Aaron]

plasma ignition

Hi Aaran,

I have built a signal generator identical to yours. I even used a launch switch like your one.

I wanted to ask you about some of the parts.

- What type of ignition coil would you recommend ? Would a 24v coil have any benefits ?

- What type of CDI to use

- What size cap to use for firing would I use

- what type of spark plug to use

- Is using an optocoupler in the bench timer necessary ?

I'm almost there, I have a 4 stroke honda engine from an old pressure washer to test on. Any advise would be awesome.

Thanks man

Saw your pic - looks just like mine! lol

A normal 12v ignition coil is fine. You don't need a high performance one.

Depending on the coil's polarity - that tells you which way to place the diode.

I used a Street Fire MSD (MSD's budget model) - works fine. The cap is between 2~4 uf... just use small ones - that is all you need.

Any non resistor plug is fine. You may see a couple hundred ohms which is still a lot but much better than 5k+.

You mean an opto timing switch for ignition? If so, then no, you don't need the timer. The timer is for bench testing and I use one on my jet engine since there is no timing. Normally, you can shut off the ignitor on a jet after it is hot enough, but I leave the plasma blasting nonstop.

[energyrikard]

Hi there all happy tinkerers!!

I am also embarking on the plasma track and it's really fun!

Many modern cars today don't use distributors. Instead they use a direct ignition system. To put CDI on it, MSD has a box called "DIS-4" which is available in a low output and a high output version.

Me and my wife owns a 1998 Toyota Land Cruiser FZJ105R 4.5litre petrol that I want to run plasma ignition...

I have plugged it into the car and I am getting sparks when I manually ground the trigger wires to the ground. I have read the Ignition Secrets book and I highly recommend it to anyone as I find it exciting and well written.

I have a little problem though.. I'm not getting any plasma at all! I think I'm doing something wrong, but I can't find out what it is.
I have connected 2 spark plugs only to the 6 coils.
I'm using 2 strings of 20 diodes each, one string per plug, and have put it in parallel on the following places:
* HV output from coil to under plug boot
* coil positive to under plug boot
I have also tried reversing the string as I haven't checked for polarity, it didn't help.
After all 4 combinations, I tested all diodes to see if they were broken / short circuited, but they are all healthy.

Here's a link showing my setup:
All sizes | plasma_diagram | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

Here's a link to the MSD CDI box:
http://www.msdignition.com/WorkArea/...id=15032386156

Here's a youtube video of what I got so far (no plasma):
MSD DIS-4 HO Capacitive Discharge Ignition first test - YouTube

Once I have got the plasma to work, I'll post the mileage reports for the car.

Plugs: Extremespark.com ,without resistor
Leads: Accel Superstock ,without resistor

Have a fantastic day!!

[energyrikard]

Hi,

Latest update from the shed.

Anyone with cars that doesn't use distributors and plan to use MSD's DIS-4 should look into this thread.

I have now tried the diode string in both possible ways between:
coil NEGATIVE <-> under plug boot.

Results:
* with the string in one way, nothing at all happened. no sparks.
* with the string in the other way, normal CDI sparking.

Still no plasma. Any ideas what I can try next to get plasma? My ideas are starting to run thin....