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  • #31
    Originally posted by wolf234 View Post
    Now i need rossi MAHG.
    The KEY of ALL is always the HBE!!!
    You can replace the steam with compressed air and you get the same reaction.

    The pressure creates ONLY the force of impact required to break the bonds to hydrogen of water droplets on cold water (wall) but the key to everything always remains the HBE and not the condensation of the steam as people think for obtain the thrust creation. In history there are many examples of HBE, and all lead to the same result. The Giffard Injector, the Hydro-Electric Machine of Lord Armstrong and Faraday, the PDX device they use the Hydrogen Bond Energy. At the end you can build an home hydroelectric generator using compressed wet air (instead of steam) and water similar to PDX device.
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    Last edited by tutanka; 02-25-2017, 03:32 PM.

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    • #32
      maybe this too ?
      an HBE accelerator / cavity resonator ?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKPrGxB1Kzc

      I have always wanted to experiment with that Claw ..and a small pulse
      and now that 3D metal forming is available .......?

      oh wouldn't that be sweet !!

      HBE needs some simple proof of concept for the community
      these other things take lots of prototyping ...
      the Claw already works as advertised ,and the good news is ....

      Who can get a patent on natures work ??

      No One !!!

      respectfully
      Chet K
      Last edited by RAMSET; 02-25-2017, 06:02 PM.
      If you want to Change the world
      BE that change !!

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      • #33
        Originally posted by RAMSET View Post
        maybe this too ?
        ....,and the good news is Who can get a patent on the Creators work ??

        No One !!!

        respectfully
        Chet K
        Monsanto...

        I'm sorry!

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        • #34
          I think the Bug [pistol shrimp] would be very upset ...if someone tried to patent his cavity resonator / claw..

          prior Art to the extreme ...he was after all born with it ??
          and to be clear its what he designed it to do ... disassociate the water molecule by making a shockwave [biological sonoluminescence knocking photons out of orbit....maybe he's an alien ??
          and no I will make sure he is safe during the scan and not ask for his claw to be removed [OUCH]

          maybe even a sedation to keep him happy

          BTW Cherryman
          I cannot tell you how much I luv your recent project
          Amazing contribution to the community.

          with much respect and gratitude

          Chet K
          Last edited by RAMSET; 02-25-2017, 10:31 PM.
          If you want to Change the world
          BE that change !!

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          • #35
            Originally posted by RAMSET View Post
            maybe this too ?
            an HBE accelerator / cavity resonator ?

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKPrGxB1Kzc

            I have always wanted to experiment with that Claw ..and a small pulse
            and now that 3D metal forming is available .......?

            oh wouldn't that be sweet !!

            HBE needs some simple proof of concept for the community
            these other things take lots of prototyping ...
            the Claw already works as advertised ,and the good news is ....

            Who can get a patent on natures work ??

            No One !!!

            respectfully
            Chet K
            Hello..

            Surely we are talking of the same reaction of PDX device based on HBE.. In this case the underwater water jet pulse to high speed creates the same effect.
            As you can see there are some ways for obtain the same result.
            Changing an little the PDX design you can obtain another working device.

            Mother nature teachs us but we don't want open the eyes!!
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            • #36
              Your understanding ?

              tutanka
              Now you make it easy [I hope]
              you say this is a path to utilizing HBE ?

              I would like you to guide me thru a build here ,

              can you be specific in dimension and scale ,flow rates and PSI too?

              I will post all here.... and at other forums [if successful]

              ??

              respectfully

              Chet K
              PS
              Would be good to work small and with things average replicator can access
              but I can make whatever you wish here[water pumps Air compressors tanks etc
              Last edited by RAMSET; 02-27-2017, 12:59 AM.
              If you want to Change the world
              BE that change !!

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              • #37
                Originally posted by RAMSET View Post
                tutanka
                Now you make it easy [I hope]
                you say this is a path to utilizing HBE ?

                I would like you to guide me thru a build here ,

                can you be specific in dimension and scale ,flow rates and PSI too?

                I will post all here.... and at other forums [if successful]

                ??

                respectfully

                Chet K
                PS
                Would be good to work small and with things average replicator can access
                but I can make whatever you wish here[water pumps Air compressors tanks etc
                YES..

                HBE IS THE NEW SOURCE OF ENERGY.

                HBE is very simple to understand and simple is build an working device similar PDX that use the thrust for run an hydroturbine for produce the electricity directly.

                We are talking of new type of chemistry that we can call Mechanical Chemistry.

                To the end HBE no need combustion but is released from water droplets when lost the electrons for impact.

                You can use steam or compressed wet air as kinetic energy necessary for produce the HBE.

                There are some example of HBE:

                Henri Giffard - Steam Injector (very similar to PDX device)
                Lord Armstrong/Michael Faraday - Hydro-Electric Machine
                Peter Graneau - Arc explosion
                Stan Meyer - Thermal Explosive Energy
                Pistol Shrinp Effect
                PDX device

                all of these is made from HBE.. and I suggest to read papers made by Tucker Leavitt and Peter Graneau for open the mind to HBE.

                When you know how HBE is made you can build all device you want without limitations. Cheers
                Last edited by tutanka; 02-27-2017, 01:23 PM.

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                • #38
                  a big list of papers here From Graneau

                  The Passing of Dr. Peter Graneau

                  also Blog from Tucker Leavitt

                  Energy from Water? Precision Calorimetry of Water Arc Explosions

                  I am going to move forward with waterpulse Cavitation tests and the pistol shrimp claw 3D scan ,its a tiny test bed which can be scaled to any size
                  and is already Built by nature to break apart the water molecule and knock a photon from orbit in a 9000C sonoluminescent cavitation event.

                  I've heard before
                  "if it ain't broke don't fix it "

                  all comments welcomed and appreciated .

                  Chet K
                  PS
                  all will be shared OPEN SOURCE here and elsewhere
                  PPS
                  see also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcBb1CIRH8w for more clarity
                  Last edited by RAMSET; 02-27-2017, 03:40 PM.
                  If you want to Change the world
                  BE that change !!

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by RAMSET View Post
                    The Passing of Dr. Peter Graneau

                    also Blog from Tucker Leavitt

                    Energy from Water? Precision Calorimetry of Water Arc Explosions

                    I am going to move forward with waterpulse Cavitation tests and the pistol shrimp claw 3D scan ,its a tiny test bed which can be scaled to any size
                    and is already Built by nature to break apart the water molecule and knock a photon from orbit in a 9000C sonoluminescent cavitation event.

                    I've heard before
                    "if it ain't broke don't fix it "

                    all comments welcomed and appreciated .

                    Chet K
                    PS
                    all will be shared OPEN SOURCE here and elsewhere
                    PPS
                    see also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcBb1CIRH8w for more clarity
                    If you want watch an working HBE italian experiment https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86ihwyJ63MU

                    Because HBE don't appear only for mechanical impact but also if water droplets are submitted to the infrared radiation

                    Infrared radiation from sun or thermal spark removes the bonding electrons from water droplets and are absorbed from air like an sponge..

                    Also the Stan Meyer Injector works in this manner!!
                    Last edited by tutanka; 02-27-2017, 05:36 PM.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by RAMSET View Post
                      PS
                      all will be shared OPEN SOURCE here and elsewhere
                      PPS
                      see also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcBb1CIRH8w for more clarity
                      the same HBE video but with sound (italian).. I suggest to watch to hear the reactor sound when is sent the breath inside .. https://youtu.be/LmDNDp6EO_w

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                      • #41
                        Well thank you Alessandro great ideas your shrimp i well.????? ???? ??????? ????? ???????-??????? ? ???????? ?????????? ???????-???????? ??????? ???????? ? ?????????. | ????????? i use fogger this winter the furnace and works ! HHO gas in my car seen savings.
                        Last edited by wolf234; 02-28-2017, 07:53 PM.

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                        • #42
                          Moving forward with this open source project [the only kind to do]

                          Pistol shrimp cavity resonator testing
                          AKA
                          Shrimpy seadrive...
                          yes he does make a 60 mph PROPULSION JET [Topic Theme]

                          is the collapsing bubble causing HBE ?
                          condensate event ?
                          or ??

                          we shall see ,and to be clear the sample cavity Resonators once finished
                          and ready to experiment ..
                          will be offered No charge to Builders here [and elsewhere] that meet the open source criteria

                          to add to this science ...Not for profit....

                          with respect and gratitude
                          Chet K
                          If you want to Change the world
                          BE that change !!

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by RAMSET View Post
                            Moving forward with this open source project [the only kind to do]

                            Pistol shrimp cavity resonator testing
                            AKA
                            Shrimpy seadrive...
                            yes he does make a 60 mph PROPULSION JET [Topic Theme]

                            is the collapsing bubble causing HBE ?
                            condensate event ?
                            or ??

                            we shall see ,and to be clear the sample cavity Resonators once finished
                            and ready to experiment ..
                            will be offered No charge to Builders here [and elsewhere] that meet the open source criteria

                            to add to this science ...Not for profit....

                            with respect and gratitude
                            Chet K

                            YES NOT FOR PROFIT BUT FOR OPEN THE MIND..

                            If you want understand pistol shrimp you need to study the hydro-electric machine of Lord Armstrong..

                            The shrimp water jet does not go out directly but before impact internally. in this impact the HBE reaction takes place.. and also the shrimp is pushed back by the thrust of the reaction

                            The hydro-electric machine use steam flow but first is cooled and after water droplets impacts inside special form of nozzle very similar to pistol shrimp and an positive high speed flow go outside.. electrons are removed from water droplets and trapped inside the brass because this metal is triboelectric negative..

                            Attached the hydro-electric machine and the nozzle made of brass used from Lord Armstrong and Michael Faraday..

                            two photos attached of real hydro-electric machine present inside the Science Museum in Florence
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                            Last edited by tutanka; 02-28-2017, 08:02 PM.

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                            • #44
                              tutanka

                              Here the investigation will be Brutally honest and scientific .
                              findings will be offered up for real time public scrutiny .
                              and to be clear
                              We have unbelievable resources available in the "not for business/ profit"
                              open source group , which I will bring here for help if need be.




                              I have great appreciation for your input and find it most helpful .


                              respectfully
                              Chet K
                              If you want to Change the world
                              BE that change !!

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by RAMSET View Post
                                I think the Bug [pistol shrimp] would be very upset ...if someone tried to patent his cavity resonator / claw..


                                BTW Cherryman
                                I cannot tell you how much I luv your recent project
                                Amazing contribution to the community.

                                with much respect and gratitude

                                Chet K
                                Tnx Chet, just sharing, learning, exploring.. and above all.. enjoying!BTW: Patents are hijacked by greed and control

                                Ontopic:

                                I think this project actually shares characteristics with Shauberger and the Clemm engine, a synergy between pressure, time and heat.
                                Keep up the research!
                                Last edited by Cherryman; 02-28-2017, 09:31 PM.

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