Water Fuel Cell video schematic

[Aaron]

Here is the schematic



This is the just bare minimum to duplicate the video you saw.
Do this first and once you have this then you can move on.

If you're not willing to condition the cell(s) first, you won't get
good gas production for little power. It just won't happen.

I'll post more soon.

[Aaron]

don't be dissapointed by simplicity

this schematic seems too simple to do what the video shows but that is what will get you there.

do it that way first and then worry about doing it another way.

condition your cells this way, get it running, etc... then look to doing it with Bedini circuits,etc...

[passion1]

Aaron

Thank you!
How big an inductor would you recommend, i.e. how many Henries?
Did you use an off the shelf inductor or did you wind it yourself?

[Shamus]

Thanks Aaron! The simplicity of the circuit is, well, quite shocking! I'm wondering, though, if there's a material that can be used that has the dialectric properties described after 'conditioning' the stainless out of the box.

Hmm... Obviously an area needing more research.

[Aaron]

inductor and more...

Hi Passion1,

I have no idea on the specs on the inductor.

I used 2.

The first I tried was just magnet wire about 26 guage about100 turns. It was about 2 inches long and about 1" diameter air core. I just wrapped this wire around a screwdriver handle and then slipped it off and put it as shown in the pic.

The 2nd was a spool of magnet wire on a spool about 2.5-3" tall and about 2" diameter. Was about 26 guage and the spool was about 75% full. The core of the spool was about 1/2" diameter. This one worked better than the smaller one. but really, there wasn't much difference in gas production.

With the 2nd "coil" inductor...I was of course able to get higher voltage with lower amps. It was that one I was using in the video I believe. I could keep cranking up the voltage and there still wasn't much current getting through but even as I cranked it up, the gas production did NOT increase. At about 12 volts and drawing 3 amps, that was about the max gas production any higher input didn't increase gas.

Now, when it was running, the spool of wire did get pretty hot obviously from restricting all that current. What this shows is very important. All that heat and wasted energy is obviously NOT making it to the cell meaning that what is actually producing that much gas is MUCH LESS than 12volts at 3 amps. That is what is leaving the power supply but that is NOT what is making the gas. 36 watts minus whatever is wasted in that inductor is really what is making the gas. How much less? I don't know but this is the important thing to observe from a hot inductor.

This gas was VERY powerful. I brought this to a friend's shop and we wanted to see it pop. LOL This stuff ain't no joke!

I put about 1-2 drops of dish soap in the cell to make some big bubbles to pop

I turned it off when one bubble was about 1/2 the size of a ping pong ball. My friend, who I thought was nuts lowered a match in his hand down towards the cell. I was about 12 feet away crouching down. Many of us have popped hydrogen bubbles from electrolysis and the hydrogen isn't that strong...poof poof....

He thought he was just going to get this little poof many of us had experienced.

Suddenly, BAAAANG... a very high pitched VEEEEEEEEEERY loud... very FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAST pop...more like a loud PIIING went off. Scared me so bad I fell over on my butt. He was deaf in his ear for 3 days and that was enough to see that this gas is not just some electrolyzed hydrogen gas.

There are various strengths of this gas depending on how it is potentialized and/or destabilized by having electrons ripped from the oxygen. George Wiseman of Eagle-Research practical energy solutions...today! calls the 3rd higher brown's gas level hyper gas. the first 2 are lower strength (for same volume of gas).

Meyer's had various was of increasing the strength by stealing electrons from the oxygen supposedly making it very unstable and a lot more powerful.

I'll get into more of the Bedini voltage potential circuit applications for the water cell later but if people don't at least do a simple variac to dc bridge to cell system, they won't get very far I don't think. That is the easiest way to just condition the cells first...then can experiment with the voltage potential circuits.

[passion1]

Aaron

I am going to buy myself a variac tomorrow but could not wait to experiment!
Thus I connected my cell to wall power (220V where I am) with a bridge rectifier and inductor as in your
schematic.
For a start I have decided to use distilled water.
When I switched on the power for a few seconds
I suddenly got lots of gas and what looked like white underwater flames coming from the tubes (20 cm long, 1.5mm gap inbetween tubes)!
For one moment I was quite shocked!! I assume that the tubes were arching even with a 1.5mm gap!?
This has never happened to me before. I have been using these specific tubes for many months now without any arching.
I disconnected the tubes and connected it to a 12V DC battery charger and again my tubes were giving a little bit of gas like usually without arching.
I reconnected the 220V for a few seconds and again got these white underwater light/flames and lots of gas.
My inductor (1.7 Henry) suddenly started smoking and I switched off before I could do any damage to the inductor.
The inductor was VERY VERY hot after only about 5-7 seconds of operation!
Next I inserted a 60W bulb next to the cell but this limited the current too much because now I had little gas production again.
It seems that the bulb is not the best solution to limit the current.

I will be buying a variac tomorrow and continue with tests......
Waiting on your next instructions with anticipation!!

[Bill]

Hello Passion
Another option is to insert a 330Volt AC @ 28uF Motor cap in one of the AC legs before the FWBR, This will reduce the current to the FWBR or anything down stream or between the cell on the DC side. This just an option that i use from time to time. Currently working a single conical tube arrangement with this setup to condition the tubes.
Also Aaron
Is the SS Cathode really necessary? The cathode is a non-consumable in this application so an Iron or A36 type steel will function while deducing the over all cost.
I have tested this and i have no corrosion occurring to the cathode, while the anode is potentially a consumable i.e. Cr & Fe.
What your take on this?

Regards
Bill

[Aaron]

SS tubes

Passion1, be careful! hehe nice to have variable

Bill, I only used t304 tubes. If you don't get corrosion or anything, probably ok. While conditioning, just look if you start getting a white powder coating, if so, probably good to go.

[kenny_PPM]

Tubes source

Sorry this has probably been asked.

Where is a good source for the stainless tubes?

Kenny

[Bill]

Hi Aaron
Update - currently 36.68 E @ .9 I = 33.012 P. Lots of gas with the single cylinder setup. Vessel is a approx 1 L open at top and cloudy 30% of top area.
Gas is increasing as conditioning continues.
Passion1- Aaron is absolutely correct - a varable power supply is the way to go.
Thanks Aaron

Bill

[Bill]

Hello Kenny
This Q really depends on your location, But McMaster-Carr might might be a good start. They sell in small lengths and carry various types of SS tubing.
Google them.
Good luck
Bill

[kenny_PPM]

Thanks Bill

[Bill]

Kenny
Heres another options for 304 SS
Verocious Motorsports > 304 stainless steel exhaust tubing, exhaust tube, exhaust components, stainless

Bill

[Peter Lindemann]

McMaster-Carr

Hello Kenny
This Q really depends on your location, But McMaster-Carr might might be a good start. They sell in small lengths and carry various types of SS tubing.
Google them.
Good luck
Bill

Hi folks,

McMaster-Carr is a great place to find ANYTHING for a project like this. Here is their site:

McMaster-Carr

Happy shopping,

Peter

[Bill]

Aaron
This is nuts, I added a blocking diode between the FWBR & the choke now the Current statius is E=34.62, I =0.3I for a P of 10.386 ! The Egas flow is still increasing. The choke i'm using is the primary side of a 120 volt E core Trans.
So the flow sheet is 120 Mains - one 24uF, 330 Volt AC motor Cap(one leg of mains) - FWBR - 1600uF smoothing electro cap across the DC side of the FWBR. Then a 1N4007 diode - Choke - amp meter - Anode - then Cathode straight back to the FWBR.
34.98 E @ 0.2 I = 6.996 Watts !!!! Nuts

Thanks
Bill