Water Sparkplug 2

[SuperCaviTationIstic]

And in regards to diodes, I have seen NOT A SINGLE REPLICATION of Tesla's patent METHOD OF OBTAINING DIRECT FROM ALTERNATING CURRENTS using magnets. Please, someone prove me wrong
Tesla Patent 413,353 - Method of Obtaining Direct from Alternating Currents

[powerme]

crackahcrackah:
thanks you kindly for addressing just about everything I said. I really appreciate your opinion. I was more concerned with the bickering, and I wanted to address that, but you're right, I should have check the patent you were referencing, thanks for drawing my attention to it a second time. Here is a link to if for everyone to easily access:
Tesla Patent 568,176 - Apparatus for Producing Electrical Currents of High Frequency and Potential

And even if people have malintent, I believe in forgiveness, and second opportunities, and I suggest everyone enjoy the benefits of holding those values dear to them.

the sick power hungry inbred elite have their fingers wrapped tightly around their brainwashed cohort slaves that manipulate everything that happens.

giving you a solutions is not the answer as it will be taken away easily, but if you're willing to learn the truth, you will be able to see clearly.

can someone please answer my questions posted earlier?.

what is the amplified effect produced by Aaron's circuit?.

[Aaron]

What Is The Amplified Effect

what is the amplified effect produced by Aaron's circuit?.

If you read the first water sparkplug thread, I answer this. And it is the
same effect that is also produced in Luc's original version with the inverter.
It is the same effect produced in every plasma jet ignition patent but none
of the patents address why it happens and all their descriptions of what
is happening are also wrong. I even posted diagrams very early on so please
do your research instead of asking people to do your work for you. That is
the point of posting this stuff for people to read - not to have others become
your personal research assistant. I did my work, others did theirs and you
should do the same.

[crackahcrackah]

What could be expected from the parties involved? Are you intentionally
ignorant or is that by mistake?

Oh, it was very much intended and it was predicated upon past interactions with you.

You really should keep your blabbering tripe out of this thread.

You obviously haven't studied
anything and have NOT read the water sparkplug thread. If you can't
even have the decency to do that, you should keep your tripe to yourself.

Obviously, you do not like having it pointed out that you are claiming tesla's disruptive discharge circuit as your own method. If the fundamental elements and configurations are already patented, by a man better than ourselves, then that means patent royalties are out of the question, eh?

I CLEARLY pointed out that the principles behind this are referenced in
Peter's Free Energy Secrets of Cold Electricity, which references Secrets
of Cold War Technology chapter 1 by Gerry Vassilatos. And who is this
remarkable chapter dedicated to? I wonder To whom am I giving
credit to for the fundamental principles involved?

Here is what I have seen stated, right here, in this very thread and in the closed water spark plug thread, which is what I am calling into question:

In the closed thread

You had this post on June 27, 2008, BUT AFTER I show you the above
diagram on July 3rd, you update your image on the link below 10 DAYS
LATER on July 13 to reflect my simplified discovery:

And you even show the isolated relay method that I taught you as well:

(If we remove the disruptive discharge elements of the circuit what happens to the effect? Yes, that's what I thought...)

That was in the same post you added this diagram too after finding out from me this is the easy way to do it.

Secondly, I go further and prove the isolated effect by demonstrating to you that an outside power supply is not needed for the effect - again
my discovery that I placed in the public domain first before anyone else
that was replicating the plasma effect.

(Again, what happens when the disruptive discharge elements and configuration are removed? And as I recall, Tesla clearly indicated that AC or DC could be used for a source, so there's nothing there that wasn't known ~120 years ago. )

Again, my independent discovery that I placed in this forum.

This doesn't sound to me like you're giving Tesla the credit. Maybe my reading comprehension skills are lacking?

Peter helped me with a relay circuit with a DPDT relay to further simply the experiments of charging a capacitor and disconnecting it 100% from the wall power (isolating it) and then discharging it to the coil to get
the effect - again proving this claim that I discovered that it is an isolated
effect not needing an external power supply.

(As Tesla clearly noted, only a source of electromotive force is required.)

I'll leave it at that for that thread as there is a bit of repetition.

In this thread

...and to prevent anyone else from commercially making
an ignition based on the simple method that I showed Luc how to do
is reprehensible. Especially when Luc had always acted like he had
everyone's best interest at heart and turns around and tries to take
credit for something I showed him how to do.

I think I've made my point. I do not see Tesla mentioned in any of your comments from the beginning of your notice that a patent was in application. I do however, see many claims to the fundamental circuitry that produces high voltage impulses as patented by Nikola Tesla. It is a desperate attempt at stretching the truth to claim that the fundamentals of the circuit have been credited to Tesla. It may be possible to obfuscate the issue for those who haven't looked at his high frequency circuits and lectures, but it's abundantly clear to me what is being claimed here. And of course the motive being $$. Any one who has published in a peer reviewed journal knows that you cite primary sources, not citations of citations of citations.

You are completely incapable of comprehending what I have posted,
obviously.

It would be much simpler if you and Luc could bicker over who is entitled to the prestige and potential money to be had by patenting a circuit which fundamentally relies upon Tesla's disruptive discharge, wouldn't it?

If you are insinuating that I am claiming to have invented the disruptive
discharge from everything I wrote - you are suffering from serious
delusions.

I'm clearly not insinuating any thing. I'm boldly proclaiming that the two of you are claiming to have invented the circuits that appear in this thread, which clearly would not produce ANY plasma effect with out Tesla's disruptive discharge circuit. What you have claimed is indisputable. If I, or some one else familiar enough with Tesla's disruptive discharge circuit, had not read what was being said, and looked at the circuit, and decided to comment on it, you would continue to fight with Luc over it as one of your own discovery, and the 100 monkeys would continue to miss the connection.

Tesla didn't have diodes like this for one and for two, this simplified method of
causing this plasma burst in this method wasn't invented by Tesla, it was
invented by me.

The effect does not need diodes and that is the point. I know you know this, but I have to spell it out as you are not a forthright individual. All this time you go after Luc telling him that the effect can be had with out plugging into a wall outlet, well, how about that hypocrisy? The effect can still be had with out the diodes. I guess that means that neither Luc nor you have discovered anything, other than how to add in superfluous elements to Tesla's own circuit and claim the observed effects as your own. The fact that you continue to pretend as if this effect was discovered by you is...how do you say...Chutzpah? Yes that's the word...

Luc 'may' have innovated the method using an inverter going to the top
of the plug or he may have just stumbled upon what s1r is doing. I don't
know. That was clearly his contribution to the open forum and is
much more complex than the simplified method that I contributed.

Entirely irrelevant as I clearly indicate in the previous paragraph.

In any case, from your post, you are not qualified to comprehend anything
in this thread so please leave. NEITHER of us have ever claimed to invent
a disruptive discharge - you don't even know the point of argument!

It is all to common that the ignorant profess to defend Tesla and don't
even understand what they are defending. But doing so gives the false
impression they actually know what they're talking about. Too bad - just
because thoughts are moving though ones mind doesn't mean they are
actually thinking.

The verbal response which explicitly spells out a claim to the disruptive discharge was not made, but that is being dishonest, as the circuitry which you are bickering over happens to have the disruptive discharge as a subset of the entire circuit. And if we remove that subset of the circuit, *POOF*, your effect is GONE.

Your true colors are hopefully revealed here for others. And believe me, I've been taking screen shots this time. There will be no cleaning up after yourself or your dishonest allies this time . Nope. See, professionally I am a behavior analyst. I knew it would be a matter of time for you to repeat dishonest behavior, but I didn't know that it would be as belligerent or transparent as it is this time.

People, look up Tesla's disruptive discharge circuit, any of his high frequency current patents. See what Tesla claims as the fundamental requirements and configurations, and then look at these circuits posted in this thread. If you remove Tesla's work none of these circuits on this thread will do squat. The requirements and configuration all involve the inductor(s), spark gap, and capacitor. If you don't understand this then you better damn well not rely on your emotions to draw conclusions in this discussion. It is a common psychological technique to avoid discussion of the facts by attacking the messenger and calling into question their competence.

[gmeast]

left the thread

Gee whiz,

I'm glad I left the thread. I never thought it would turn into THIS! I lowered my fuel consumption by more than 25% with my VEXUS Circuit and a little steam made from waste exhaust heat. I certainly hope people start posting about accomplishments rather than doing all this 'whateveritis'.

Greg

[crackahcrackah]

crackahcrackah:
thanks you kindly for addressing just about everything I said. I really appreciate your opinion. I was more concerned with the bickering, and I wanted to address that, but you're right, I should have check the patent you were referencing, thanks for drawing my attention to it a second time. Here is a link to if for everyone to easily access:
Tesla Patent 568,176 - Apparatus for Producing Electrical Currents of High Frequency and Potential

You are welcome, and I am not interested in bickering. I'm about finished on here any way. I just could not allow certain claims to go unchallenged and I didn't see any one else pointing out what these circuits fundamentally require to function (ie: every thing else is not required).

And even if people have malintent, I believe in forgiveness, and second opportunities, and I suggest everyone enjoy the benefits of holding those values dear to them.

It should be understood that there are those who have been conditioned from youth to look upon others as animals. As such, it behooves each individual to maintain a track record in order to determine when it is more productive to cut off interactions with those who are habitually dishonest. This is a more serious issue than most folks give thought to merely because they don't analyze behaviors.

[powerme]

Aaron,
I will not allow you the pleasure of manipulating the mass with the never ending Lies and Treatsie against electricity.

People, use your natural logic and think, this is quite simple.

There are many ways to produce high pressure electricity, I have had enough with the lies and manipulative concealing of the amplified effects of crystalline conductors, I have no use for this nonsense plasma circuit

What can you do with it other than perhaps producing heat which can be done more effeciently with induction.

Someone please answer my question?.

[SuperCaviTationIstic]

Aaron,
These gentlemen (forgive me if there is a woman involved, but it doesn't seem so) make VERY legitimate points, which I agree with, and I know to be true.

Your reputation, the success of this website, and the future choice of members to continue to post here is at stake.

I saw what they saw in the past, and felt as they do now, but I am giving you a chance, and have asked for your forgiveness for the way I thought of you and perhaps spoke of you.

[skaght]

water sparkplug replication

I built the aforementioned circuit of disrepute and am trying to ignite water vapor with it. So far I get a good spark with or without water vapor. I'm using two nails rather than a standard spark plug. Water vapor doesn't seem to make a difference. I'm using 2 uF capacitor charged to 200 volts as the input source to the ignition coil. My diode is a microwave diode. I'd love to see the effect with water vapor igniting. Any advice on what's wrong with my setup?

[Aaron]

disruptive discharge

but you're right, I should have check the patent you were referencing, thanks for drawing my attention to it a second time. Here is a link to if for everyone to easily access:
Tesla Patent 568,176 - Apparatus for Producing Electrical Currents of High Frequency and Potential

It doesn't surprise me that this patent is used as the reference for this
effect - but it has nothing to do with this effect. But from the accusation
that myself or anyone else is actually claiming credit for Tesla's disruptive
discharge, go figure.

Credit goes to Tesla for the concepts of the disruptive discharge, but
this plasma effect is most certainly not a regular disruptive discharge
although those that have no experience with these circuits will argue
differently. I think most people that do at least have experience with these
circuits will still probably disagree with me but I'm fine with that - they
at least build and do the experiments. My explanation of what is happening
may be wrong - I know that but there
is no question that this plasma effect is NOT a typical disruptive discharge.

I should mention that (and I did in the Gray Tube Replication thread)
that with x joules in a front side and booster cap, I was able to
launch a magnet of a certain weight higher than the math says is possible.
There is an amplification happening here that very few seem to be
interested in exploring or admitting. Nobody is going to do this with just a
"disruptive discharge". This was of course with an inductor and enough
in the booster cap to do what is done in the Gray Tube Replication thread.

Tesla may have done a variation of this effect and probably did, however,
that patent certainly doesn't cover it. There are many, many variations
of disruptive discharges and anyone pontificating on the Tesla trip about
disruptive discharges that thinks the plasma effect is simply a disruptive
discharge is indisputably out of their league and should spend more time
on the workbench and less time in the armchair.

I just find it amusing and sad at the same time that someone's claim to
have studied this and that about Tesla and telling others to doesn't have
the slightest clue as to what the differences are between a regular
disruptive discharge and this plasma effect.

Anyway, when I'm here to state the facts and defend what has happened
and am met by comical accusations that myself or anyone else is claiming
to take credit for inventing the disruptive discharge is so completely
twisted and manipulative that it is remarkably appalling.

I hope from this point on, there is constructive input about the topic
of this thread - but my documentation of the historical facts of the
genesis of the simplified plasma ignition was a necessity.

[Aaron]

@all

I'll address the misleading deception of crack in a bit. This racist bad mouthing
individual has been insulting and problematic to many people for far too long.

Powerme will be removed - I asked him to leave this thread as he doesn't
even want to read what has already been posted in the original thread.

And Supercav, if there is anything that is evil it is in buying into the ignorance
and dark deceptions of those that haven't the integrity to admit when
they're wrong such as crack. And you have no business telling anyone
who is evil or not.

Greg, the vexus circuit was nothing but a rip off inverted version of the
positive version of the circuit.

[SuperCaviTationIstic]

I'll address the misleading deception of crack in a bit.

And Supercav, if there is anything that is evil it is in buying into the ignorance
and dark deceptions of those that haven't the integrity to admit when
they're wrong such as crack. And you have no business telling anyone
who is evil or not.

Perhaps my lack of tact has offended you, and I apologize. I may be one of the youngest members of this forum, at only 23, and as I've stated elsewhere, I'm making much effort to change my mistakes, seeing the generations before me dying from their own deeds. That is why I've apologized. I also have, in the past, and still now, have had a difficult time discerning shades of gray from white and black. The word evil is far to polarizing, and I should not have used it.

I don't buy into the message of the crowd that you are claiming right to the founding of the disruptive discharge; that is an outright lie, and I hope others don't believe that. As far as the claim you make about this effect being distinctly different from a disruptive discharge, it would be to your benefit, and to the benefit of everyone who is in a state of confusion, to clearly explain, or point to where you had in the past explained the difference. This is not of concern to me, but it is to others.

The magnifying effect should be addressed in a new thread, as I know it to be true. I really think it relates to electrical/aetheric holography, of which there is no proper term coined which I know of, other than the term magnification. As I have stated numerous times, Tesla's later, PERFECTED systems were phase conjugate mirrors, and that is what is being used in optical holography.

The rest of my message I stand by, unless a specific point that I made is addressed, so that I can see my mistake and correct it.

I have no qualification to further discuss theory until I get some more time at the bench, and I will accomplish that as soon as I can.

[power1]

Dear Aaron,
this is power me.

I do apologize for my earlier behavior, it is very frustuating to have to live with the many problems that we face today, and know trying alone to make a difference while everyone else seems arrogance to see the cause of our mess.

[power1]

hey supercavi,
I had read the explanations provided by Aaron and Luc and both are not the divine truth.

PM me, I want to discuss something.

[power1]

I will leave this thread alone now, I wish continue my participation in this forum with my ZnO water fuel project.

Aaron, please allow me to contribute my findings for the sake of helping others.