None Electrolytic Splitting Of H2o

[Duncan]

You do not need to use tubes, you can use two end fed antennas and bent into a circle so as to fit inside your WFC. Here are the sizes:-

VHF antenna @120mhz

640mm long "quarter wave length" bent into a circle.

UHF antenna @720mhz

213mm long "half wave length" bent into a circle.

Each antenna can be made of 1/4" copper tube, in one end fit and solder an RF female connector "as used in CB or amature radio". If laid flat on a table, bend up vertical the connection end so as the male plug and feed cable can be connected easily. There should be a space between the two ends of the antenna of about 28mm. This should give you a diameter on the VHF of about 205mm and the UHF 75mm.

The UHF is placed in the center of the VHF antenna and a plastic suport has to be made to hold them in this position and so as they can be suported in a horizontal plane inside the WFC.

This is less complicated than using tubes within tubes and is designed for cold vapour and not immersed in water. This will give better gas production, as said before a larger H2O molecular surface area. A standard humidity vapouriser can be used in the bottom of the cell to produce the vapour.

This is not the complicated part, but the electronics is and has to be right.

Mike

[Oneminde]

Watch!

We are not looking for a fogger but rather a humidifier as nvisser mentions. A fogger creates a mist which have very little velocity and in the type of construction that is described by both Mike and the patent, we can clearly see that the water molecules is passing the interference area in the top of the unit. A simple fogger would require that the interference area is placed in the bottom of the unit. Do watch this video where a ultrasonic humidifier is described. And keep up the good work.

Deconstructed: How Ultrasound Humidifiers Work. Discovery Ch - Science EP.

[nvisser]

That ultrasonic humidifier is what we need . You do get them without all the leds. That is a good price though. They ask up to $40 here by us. I got one local for $14 on EBAY. I bought it for a carburetor car but never got around to use it.

[Duncan]

Mist Maker Fogger Humidifier Water Pond Fountain 12 LED on eBay (end time 10-Nov-10 14:34:21 GMT) or something similar?
I Include for consideration This clip of John Kansus also fracturing water using RF Surly this validates the technique for any doubters following the thread? YouTube - Water as Fuel Unlocked by Frequency Resonance
Just a coincidence do you think that like the late Dr Andrija Puharich the man was hunting for a frequency based cancer cure.Here is another clip of John Please take note of his ex job YouTube - Salt Water-Powered Car?

[Harvey]

@ All

Well just got in and waiting to use the bathroom, so I will use this 5min to explain a little further.

The explination in that patent is not fully correct and there are parts missing of which I was the only person that knew. The heterodyning actually takes place within the denser water molecule not in the air, the water molecule absorbs the RF at these frequencies.

High voltage is a part and has not been explained yet, but hope to explain more in the US for those whom want a bit of a lecture over a beer

Mike

Hi Mike, will you be on the West Coast?

[RAMSET]

Amazing discussion here!!
edge of the seat stuff!

I bring something for you Men [and maybe one woman]
to view.
Could be, should be a "MONSTER"!

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/271-electric-motor-secrets-49.html

Sorry for the interupt ,but this doesn't happen every day!
post 1445
Enjoy
Chet

[Michael John Nunnerley]

@ All

Well just got in and waiting to use the bathroom, so I will use this 5min to explain a little further.

The explination in that patent is not fully correct and there are parts missing of which I was the only person that knew. The heterodyning actually takes place within the denser water molecule not in the air, the water molecule absorbs the RF at these frequencies.

High voltage is a part and has not been explained yet, but hope to explain more in the US for those whom want a bit of a lecture over a beer

Mike

[tutanka]

Meyer words..

"The polar pulsating frequency applied is such that the pulsating electric field induces a resonance in the molecule. A cascade effect occurs and the overall energy level of specific water molecules is increased in cascading, incremental steps. The hydrogen and oxygen atomic gases, and other gas components formerly entrapped as dissolved gases in water, are released when the resonant energy exceeds the covalent bonding force of the water molecule." -Meyer

[tutanka]

Tutanka
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but the KEY is resonant cylinder or simply called on patent Heterodyne Container.
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Perhaps thats what is happening here?

YouTube - FutureEnergyConcepts's Channel

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Chet

No! For me that is standard electrolisys.. electron avalanche is similar to an chain reaction.. Surely the reaction happens violent when you apply resonant frequency to the right cell

[RAMSET]

Tutanka
Quote:
but the KEY is resonant cylinder or simply called on patent Heterodyne Container.
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Perhaps thats what is happening here?

YouTube - FutureEnergyConcepts's Channel

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Chet

[tutanka]

from..

These words are extracted from: The Water Fuel Cell :: View topic - Magnetic Resonance ?? good stuff here...

"There are other patents dealing with high voltage and frequency breaking down water by people other than Meyers. Their explanation of this phenomena was based on molecular collisions or electron avalanche. What ever the case, the high voltage and frequency cause chaos at the molecular level which leaves molecular bonds weakened and vulnerable for a brief period of time. It's during this time when a DC voltage differential across the two electrodes can cause a gas harvest which far exceeds Faradays law. "

That's right!!
Electron impact loose molecular bonds.. The same effect appear inside Walter Cell. For reach success with Walter method you don't need only right RF circuit creation but the KEY is resonant cylinder or simply called on patent Heterodyne Container.

I'm also pretty sure that you can use AM band as Meyer and some other researcher's, using an variable oscillation circuit and an coil as amplifier RF you can reach the same success.

[tutanka]

container is shielded and grounded..

Is my opinion that first to proceed to build any system I need understand the working principle. I have read Walter patent. Him create in fact 4 frequencies, 120,720,600,840 MHz and the container must shielded and grounded..
That method for me is similar to the UWB technology (ultra wide band). In fact high frequency waves are irradiated inside container and can't go out! Is similar to an RF loop with water entrapment inside. The two dipoles and container formed the antenna creating an Closed Heterodyne Resonance Mechanism. Probably an RF cold plasma is created with waves bombardment and the effect produced is similarry to electron avalanche splitting the water molecules.

[tutanka]

Duncan,
That patent can be used only for PRIVATE usage and I don't know if Mike want use that for private or commercial usage. However I'm pretty sure that him want use that technology for create hydrogen/oxygen and after mix with nitrogen for produce special mixture. But my question is .. you are sure that Walter patent work as aspected? If yes what is production of hydrogen/oxygen? I don't have notice about an replication of that. As you know are present millions of patents but no more works as aspected.

[tutanka]

Hi Tutanka - not sure who your post is addressed to, but here is some contact information: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/6431-none-electrolytic-splitting-h2o-10.html#post113246

What was removed? I am unfamiliar with 'riferiments' is that the same as references? I see Walter's name is still there in your link above as Last, First, Middle names (Wyles, Walter Eugene) and his address.

Hope that helps

Yes.. is there because Mike don't have deleted that post .. However if you see back Nvisser have removed these informations.

[Duncan]

All riferiments of contacts Walter inventor of that patent Radio frequency hydrogen and oxygen generator and method - Patent 7378063 are removed That is your mode of share informations??? You are great !!!!