None Electrolytic Splitting Of H2o

[Duncan]

You do not need to use tubes, you can use two end fed antennas and bent into a circle so as to fit inside your WFC. Here are the sizes:-

VHF antenna @120mhz

640mm long "quarter wave length" bent into a circle.

UHF antenna @720mhz

213mm long "half wave length" bent into a circle.

Each antenna can be made of 1/4" copper tube, in one end fit and solder an RF female connector "as used in CB or amature radio". If laid flat on a table, bend up vertical the connection end so as the male plug and feed cable can be connected easily. There should be a space between the two ends of the antenna of about 28mm. This should give you a diameter on the VHF of about 205mm and the UHF 75mm.

The UHF is placed in the center of the VHF antenna and a plastic suport has to be made to hold them in this position and so as they can be suported in a horizontal plane inside the WFC.

This is less complicated than using tubes within tubes and is designed for cold vapour and not immersed in water. This will give better gas production, as said before a larger H2O molecular surface area. A standard humidity vapouriser can be used in the bottom of the cell to produce the vapour.

This is not the complicated part, but the electronics is and has to be right.

Mike

[Duncan]

We are not looking for a fogger but rather a humidifier as nvisser mentions. A fogger creates a mist which have very little velocity and in the type of construction that is described by both Mike and the patent, we can clearly see that the water molecules is passing the interference area in the top of the unit. A simple fogger would require that the interference area is placed in the bottom of the unit. Do watch this video where a ultrasonic humidifier is described. And keep up the good work.

Deconstructed: How Ultrasound Humidifiers Work. Discovery Ch - Science EP.

[SeaMonkey]

Since the antennae are "bent into a circle" to conform
to the shape of the device, would it not be possible to
use loop antennae?

Is that what you've described?

[Duncan]

[tutanka]

@ All

Well just got in and waiting to use the bathroom, so I will use this 5min to explain a little further.

The explination in that patent is not fully correct and there are parts missing of which I was the only person that knew. The heterodyning actually takes place within the denser water molecule not in the air, the water molecule absorbs the RF at these frequencies.

High voltage is a part and has not been explained yet, but hope to explain more in the US for those whom want a bit of a lecture over a beer

Mike

[Duncan]

OOOH ... much reading! Thanks Tutanka I'll put my nose into it and see how much sticks.I Just love this guys approach Tutanka Eagle-Research:

[tutanka]

OOOH ... much reading! Thanks Tutanka I'll put my nose into it and see how much sticks.I Just love this guys approach Tutanka Eagle-Research:

You need to energize water not apply voltage!! This step is very important to understand.. energize with cold plasma and add free electrons at the same time and you obtain brown gas in large amount, no plates or electrolyte are needed. You must delete these old info from your mind

Normally water with electrolyte (conductive) is energized using metal plates, without electrolyte don't exist propagation of energy trought water molecules!
Now we need to understand what appear inside cell formed from two plates, one positive one negative. Gap from plates is little, we are asking of millimeters, but in the middle of plates appear one little plasma line produced from current. Also the current produce production of free electrons from metal plates, more electrolyte more free electrons productions.

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Hi Mike, will you be on the West Coast?

Sorry Harvey just seen this, I will be in Coeur d'alene from the 11th until the 15th with Aaron, Peter, John and the rest, would be good to see you there!

Mike

[Michael John Nunnerley]

A new thread

Hi All

I have started a new thread for discution of this, so as to keep this thread on track

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/6614-expanded-atom-theory.html

Mike

[Harvey]

Sorry Harvey just seen this, I will be in Coeur d'alene from the 11th until the 15th with Aaron, Peter, John and the rest, would be good to see you there!

Mike

Thanx Mike,

I would love to attend and meet everyone in person, but Coeur d'alene is quite some distance from my location and at present I do not have the funds to make the trip. I wonder if NARF would want to send me

I was using Google to look for your conference details and found this instead:
DHS | OSDBU Conferences
HS will be there on Nov. 4th - probably bugging the building

Seriously though, I will ask NARF if they want to send me up there, but they will probably want to know more about it - can you PM the details?

Thanx

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Thanx Mike,

I would love to attend and meet everyone in person, but Coeur d'alene is quite some distance from my location and at present I do not have the funds to make the trip. I wonder if NARF would want to send me

I was using Google to look for your conference details and found this instead:
DHS | OSDBU Conferences
HS will be there on Nov. 4th - probably bugging the building

Seriously though, I will ask NARF if they want to send me up there, but they will probably want to know more about it - can you PM the details?

Thanx

Hi Harvey, all is here http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...onvention.html

Yes we will have to do a sweep and debug

Mike

[tutanka]

Hi All

I have started a new thread for discution of this, so as to keep this thread on track

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/6614-expanded-atom-theory.html

Mike

Sorry Mike .. but don't uderstand the sense.. You need to be clear if you don't want that peoples theorize about your RF reaction.. RF split water in hydrogen/oxygen or create brown gas? An extra HV field must be present and what is the real function? And if hydrogen/oxygen are created how you can separated these?? An simple bi-tube used for separated gasses as present on patent is ridicule.

[Slovenia]

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[Duncan]

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[Michael John Nunnerley]

Heavy Duty Tar Bucket - Screwfix.com, Where the Trade BuysSystems for the decomposition of water

Nice find Duncan, seems that this guy was on to the same system of H2O splitting in 1992 and shows a very similar tube system used by me of which you can see posted some time ago on my youtube channel "centraflow", albeit my configuration was a little different due to utilising the nitrogen in my system.

What I have shown here on this thread is the principle of the breaking of the water molecule to H and O with remarkable effect, as I have said before, not only here but on other threads is that this is taken to a higher level and to other gases which are more usable at the end of the day, than just H and O or HHO.

I take my hat off to this guy and I don't think it is any copy of mine unlike the other which is blatently obvious taken from my original drawings, and if the examiner did his work properly, a patent would not have been issued.

Mike