None Electrolytic Splitting Of H2o

[nvisser]

S-av10l Vhf Amp

I ordered my S-AV10L today
From this guys: [email protected]
The total cost make by papal should be:
$25.00+$10.00(shipping cost)+$2.30(transfer charge)=$37.30

[wolf234]

It is great to let the steam press
Green Steam Engine Home Page

[Duncan]

YouTube - check out this patnet!!
comments are 2Hz? I might be able to manage that!

[Michael John Nunnerley]

YouTube - check out this patnet!!
comments are 2Hz? I might be able to manage that!

@ 2 Hz it will pass straight through water as though it was not there, it has to be in the HF band before there is any reaction, saying that, if the heterodyning took place with sufficient power to create the higher frequencies, then there is always the possibility that you would get bond breaking, but at the cost of energy input.

@All who read this

Done correctly with a 10w RF input, the vapour from an ultrasonic vapourizer will break down into H and O instantly creating a great pressure increase due to the volume difference of vapour and its constituant gases H and O. Design considerations have to be made for the container and ducting away of the gases. This is why I used a grade 1 cylinder made for me in copper which would withstand this sudden pressure difference, all this will be explained.

The other important point is that nitrogen has to be used in the system so as the volatility is that of propagne, if not then you have the same problems as making HHO in an electrolyser. There is also another reason for the nitrogen, it stops the recombing of the H and O back into H2O, which in common duct electrolysers is 30%+-.

The RF bond breaking is just part of the system, the rest has to be followed to obtain a true usable gas for combustion in an engine and could be pressure stored for future filling of a fuel tank in a car, NH3/N2O.

Yes, yes, yes, the powers that be will tax it like petrol, but do you think they would let you run your car with a direct system??????????

I point out again that I take no responsibility for any damage or injury if anybody makes this, I am doing this as an educational explination of how it can be done and I make no profit from this.

Mike

[Duncan]

@ 2 Hz it will pass straight through water as though it was not there, it has to be in the HF band before there is any reaction, saying that, if the heterodyning took place with sufficient power to create the higher frequencies, then there is always the possibility that you would get bond breaking, but at the cost of energy input.

@All who read this

Done correctly with a 10w RF input, the vapour from an ultrasonic vapourizer will break down into H and O instantly creating a great pressure increase due to the volume difference of vapour and its constituant gases H and O. Design considerations have to be made for the container and ducting away of the gases. This is why I used a grade 1 cylinder made for me in copper which would withstand this sudden pressure difference, all this will be explained.

The other important point is that nitrogen has to be used in the system so as the volatility is that of propagne, if not then you have the same problems as making HHO in an electrolyser. There is also another reason for the nitrogen, it stops the recombing of the H and O back into H2O, which in common duct electrolysers is 30%+-.

The RF bond breaking is just part of the system, the rest has to be followed to obtain a true usable gas for combustion in an engine and could be pressure stored for future filling of a fuel tank in a car, NH3/N2O.

Yes, yes, yes, the powers that be will tax it like petrol, but do you think they would let you run your car with a direct system??????????

I point out again that I take no responsibility for any damage or injury if anybody makes this, I am doing this as an educational explination of how it can be done and I make no profit from this.

Mike

Hi Mike all you say is taken as read I’m sure everyone is very appreciative of you sharing hard won information. The 2Hz well just an example of disinformation.
Mike if this fractures water with the efficiency you indicate the miracle bit is effectively demonstrated as far as I’m concerned. The danger bit well I’m sure that’s also taken as read by all that are following your thread.
The nitrogen and control well I’m no chemist but I bet there’s a goodly few reading your thread who are! Anyway Mike Its going to be a while before all these component parts arrive so lets kick the can around a bit, lets assume we can evacuate our container before we ever start this process presumably our gaseous mixture has to be oxygen and hydrogen?
I then assume the task of separating these gases effectively and quickly before they reconstitute becomes the next major task, could the system be run at such a pressure that a distillation column could be brought into play? Or even a centrifuge Even if not, there are devices developed which we could at least look at and consider.
Here’s a few “off the cuff” for consideration Gas separation system - Google Patent Search

ScienceDirect - Journal of Power Sources : Hydrogen separation using electrochemical method

New Hydrogen Purification Method
Perhaps Gianni Dotto’s idea would work at least for separating the gases?

The Josef Hasslberger page: Technology
I’m sure some of the others following the thread will have a few ideas’ to inject we are going to make the thing lets have a look about and see if it can be “done better” at the same time.

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Hi Duncan, well I was at an energy exhibition last month and saw a metal that lets the hydrogen through but nothing else, looks like aluminium and its base is such, as a tube and wound as a coil it takes up very little space and will give pure hydrogen, 99.99%, for running fuel cells. I am waiting for more info on this even though it is not the path that I wish to take.

I prefer using the oxygen with the hydrogen and transforming into other gases using a nitrogen carrier. Yes it is difficult to do if using commonly known ways, that is why I am devoting my time to a new way of doing this, its not easy, but can be done.

Mike

[Karl]

Mike or anyone else,

Any of the below sourced parts not the right ones for the job?
Only the ones with an * in front are the ones I'm concerned about
if there are special considerations.

Need to find a more easily available replacement for: Toshiba S-AV10L amp

Now if someone could post a complete schematic tying them all together,
this took enough time for today. I saw the different amp circuits, etc...,
but if someone could put them all together in one solid schematic, that
would be helpful to everyone.

PARTS LIST
All prices in USD

MINICIRCUITS.com

1 ZX95_1200W+ VCO $49.95
1 ZX95-200-S+ VCO $37.95
2 SM-BF50 SMA-male to BNC female adaptors $3.95 ea, $7.90

$95.80 + s/h



EBAY.com

1 Motorola 85Y12 RF amp $7.99
*1 Power supply 12-15v dc 10amp fully smoothed $19.96
1 3" X 3" 12v cooling fan $4.99
*5 meters 50 ohm RF coax cable (50 ft RG-59) $7.99 (50 ft RG-59)
*1 Aluminium box 222mmX146mmX55mm or there abouts with lid (die cast is best) $17.49

$58.42 + s/h

MOUSER.com

4 LM317 voltage regulators $0.45 ea, $1.80
*4 22K multi turn resistors, two of which should be good quality (panel mounting) $2.32 ea, $9.28
*4 1.8K resistors $0.05 ea, $0.20
*4 100mh chokes, two for 5amp min and the others does not matter $1.08 ea, $4.32
*4 100mf electrolytic caps $0.07 ea, $0.28
4 100nf ceramic caps or other type $0.73 ea, $2.92
*8 BNC RF male connectors (for coax) $1.34 ea, $10.72
*6 BNC RF female panel mounting connectors $1.20 ea, $7.20
*1 6" X 4" DOUBLE sided blank PCB board cut in half 3" X 4" $4.65

$41.37 + s/h



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1 Toshiba S-AV10L amp




GRAND TOTAL = $195.59 + S-AV10L + Shipping/Handling


Guesstimated Final Grand Total around $225~250 USD

Gripping thread!
Mike or anyone, would you kindly confirm that Aarons shopping list is the way to go?
Some of the components are difficult to source here in the UK (amp's etc), a few of Aarons links have a UK delivery option.
Great work all!
Regards
Karl

[nvisser]

Mike's amp circuits

[Duncan]

Gripping thread!
Mike or anyone, would you kindly confirm that Aarons shopping list is the way to go?
Some of the components are difficult to source here in the UK (amp's etc), a few of Aarons links have a UK delivery option.
Great work all!
Regards
Karl

Hi Karl – I’m also at this in the UK and so I can point the way for a few places the components are available although some of the parts are disappearing as soon as they are posted.
First Mini circuits are represented here, although you have to sign a “not for use in weapons of mass destruction” or export thing … they are here [email protected] Tel 01252-832600
Very fast service for the Motorola here Motorola SHW5151 UHF Amplifier Module 5W 700-900MHz,New on eBay (end time 02-Nov-10 15:58:03 GMT)
Nvisser has sourced the Toshiba here [email protected]
The rest of the components I’m getting from Maplin Maplin : 1TB Seagate External Hard Drive Free Delivery RS components RS Components | Electronic and Electrical Componentsand AwatronicAwatronic UK, Electronic Components - (Powered by CubeCart)you’ve got to scratch around a bit but the parts are there.still looking for the inductors still they'll be about somewhere.

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Inductors

The inductors with "ferrite" are only chokes to stop RF back into the supply line, a ferrite rod or ring with a few turns will do the job.

Mike

[tutanka]

The inductors with "ferrite" are only chokes to stop RF back into the supply line, a ferrite rod or ring with a few turns will do the job.

Mike

Mike I suggest you to create an Kit and sell that or from two years you are every here to explain As you know RF (as HV) is complicated.. you can create false oscillations simply with a welding .. that is my suggestion

[Harvey]

YouTube - check out this patnet!!
comments are 2Hz? I might be able to manage that!

Or more specifically Patent Application:

Google View Patent US 2006/0086603 A1It is interesting that Walter included the 6x frequency spread - but odd that he injected his power supply between the oscillator and doubler in the block diagram.

Regarding the 2 Hz comment from SmartScarecrow, he evidently doesn't understand the frequency doublers and triplers unless the 47 MHz refers to a heterodyne harmonic.

However, it could be a typo on the 2 Hz that should of been ~2 MHz and the base crystal oscillation at 1.305 Mhz specifically. This would yield the 47 Mhz HF and 7.83 MHz at the LF.

Now - just to muddy the waters further I could see how some individuals may have experimented with 1.305 Hz oscillator, with the first LF sextupler to arrive at 7.83 Hz LF to play around with Schumann Resonance but that would put the HF () after the secondary sextupler at 47 Hz not MHz.

I'm with Mike on this one, I'd like to know where Walter got his designs from.

Also - have any readers done efficiency analyses on Fuel Cells? How much of the conversion is lost to heat? IOW, would there be an OU by coupling Mikes system with a Fuel Cell? (taking the excess energy out of the environment of course).

EDIT: Also, because the Application states that the LF is VHF and the HF is UHF and there is a 6x spread - it is clear what the bandwidth for the LF is between 50Mhz and 300Mhz for Walters Publication. And this pushes the HF into the microwave range.

[Duncan]

Hi Harvey I Think we can take it as read that this patent is from a “dubious source” to say the least, If Mike tells us a/ He was paid monies to cease this research for a period of time and b/That some papers were stolen relating to his work I would suggest that a reasonable stab at the origin of this patent can be made!
TPTB must maneuver into a position where they can control and stop this technology. Stop development under any pretext is of course the first Imperative. Mike has already told us he received Monies to cease development for a period of 15 years.
The next object of TPTB is of course to gain control of the technology that is take control the patent. This being the case a rough Idea of how the system works is required (hence the working drawings disappeared) It doesn’t have to be a particularly thorough understanding just enough to lodge a patent. After all it never has to work, in fact that’s the very last thing that’s required. To bury it that’s the object!! Should anyone try to commercially revise and use this technology including Mike the legal wrangle would take years and bankrupt a small country Even then I would suggest that in the unlikely event of that court case being won an accident might occur. Surely None of this surprises anyone who has had even a passing interest in alternative energy does it?
The next part of course is to “confuse” the technology and reissue it as miss- information get it something like the original and feed in the wrong frequencies and add or subtract something to ensure it can’t work for instance! That seems to have been done as well. The thing is the man is here! He’s with us and helping he’s been there and done it! Now that alters the equation doesn’t it?
As for the Kits Tutanka Bloody good idea! Perhaps In due course Mike might like to consider Courtiestown Marine Limited items - Get great deals on items on eBay.co.uk Shops! they work well in respect of John Bedini, Dave Lawton and Bob Boyce and are quite happy to pay royalties to the original designer. And issue world wide, they seem to have been unhampered as yet.

[Michael John Nunnerley]

No time at the moment

@ All

I am at a three day exhibition and do not have time to spare, will look at things at weekend

Mike

[tutanka]

You are great!!

All riferiments of contacts Walter inventor of that patent Radio frequency hydrogen and oxygen generator and method - Patent 7378063 are removed That is your mode of share informations??? You are great !!!!