Future Energy hydroxy cell

[UncleFester]

Then I hope you are willing to check my theories out on how this stuff is supposed to work and let me (us) know what you think. I think I finally got the answer to how Gray, Meyer *and* Puharich did it, all using the same principles :

Article:Free Electric Energy in Theory and Practice - PESWiki

Looking at it now. I can attest that the WFC is not a linear capacitor, and horrid leakage, which is the first big hurdle with that system, overcoming the losses in order to get the process working. Was a real night mare to tell you the truth. In fact I later started placing small caps in parallel with the cell in order to keep it stable and more linear, which helps a bit. Otherwise the capacitance floats all over the place and never really stabilizes.

[lamare]

Was it just bad luck that his planned demo never took place... ??

I don't think so. To be completely honest, I think they simply do not understand how this stuff is really supposed to work, just like Meyer and to a certain extent even Puharich. As we have discussed, it really makes a difference how thick your dielectric layers on your tubes are, and how you tune your coils and such in order to get the power. This is pretty complicated stuff you need a good RF engineer for to get it right. Without that, IMHO, you are lucky to get one prototype working more or less by accident.

And you see that with Meyer and Gray too. They got something working, but were unable to make reliable replications of their own systems, because they did not understand the working principles behind it.

Now I don't say this to claim that I know it all and got it all right, but I do think the stuff I dug up so far and the theories I shared so far will lead to the answers we need, because things start making sense. And I know the devil is in the details, but once you know what to aim for, you will get there. If you have no idea what is supposed to be going on, you will be running in circles for ages only to get results on one of those rare lucky days...

[lamare]

This is the Tad (Johnson) who has been around since the 90's working on Meyer H2 systems and high voltage Gray systems.

Then I hope you are willing to check my theories out on how this stuff is supposed to work and let me (us) know what you think. I think I finally got the answer to how Gray, Meyer *and* Puharich did it, all using the same principles :

Article:Free Electric Energy in Theory and Practice - PESWiki

[UncleFester]

Ah yes, Tad Johnson, I thought the name rang a bell, I remember reading something with your name on it a few years back.

It still could be just a basic PWM providing both those frequencies couldn't it.

Are you due to see the unit again? Another demo?

Aye, just two channel PWM most likely. I would have killed for a scope shot to the switches. These guys are keeping us busy right now working on a solid state unit and winding coils for our next high voltage pulse motor test, so I don't think they will be sending anyone but the Nasa guy over there if they go back again.

Tad

[Farrah Day]

Well, in each video he still claims he's going to fully open source it, but I daresay that wouldn't go down too well with potential investors. But that doesn't bother me really. Investors would either get fleeced or the thing works. Even if we don't get the full details, if the thing is proved to work then with a little perseverance we would be able to replicate it sooner or later, knowing that our efforts would not be in vain.

What concerns me, is why have 3 videos now disappeared? And in those now deleted tube tuning videos, he never stated what frequency he was trying to tune the tubes to and why. They would have been my first questions in relation to tuning.

I know I'm being hard on the guy, but the sad truth is, we have not yet been shown anything from which to replicate the device and it's all becoming a bit of a drag. And the longer he draws this out the more sceptical I'll become.

[eclipz]

When i first started to watch his videos i was like OMG hes the savior of the world there will be school with hes name and town and roads. But then after a few videos the expectation was not the same. If u have something like that you got two choice, sell it or give it free there's nothing more to do. After reading what UncleFester said that he didn't show them the schematics and hes looking for potential investors its all clear to me hes an scammer that's all. Nothing new it happens in the past it will happens in the future. That's all i gotta say in this topic. I'm not going to post any more videos of fast freddy.



Keep the good work up.
eclipz

[Farrah Day]

Don't be too hard on the fellow. He did a damn fine job showing it can be done. From what I saw on his video's I can tell he's a good mechanic, not an electrical engineer. He needs a good rf engineer at his side, IMHO.

The problem is Lamare, has he really shown it can be done... or just shown us what we want to see? It's just that this is the umpteenth time that overunity claims such has this have been made with no fully independent verification, and have ulimately come to nothing. I just see it quickly heading that way at present.

Let's be honest, if he's really doing what he claims to be doing then this could, and likely would, change the face of the world we live in. Was it just bad luck that his planned demo never took place... ??

Geotron, there are clearly some things not adding up.

Ah yes, Tad Johnson, I thought the name rang a bell, I remember reading something with your name on it a few years back.

It still could be just a basic PWM providing both those frequencies couldn't it.

Are you due to see the unit again? Another demo?

[UncleFester]

Thanks Tad

Well it would seem he's well enough to be making the videos - I just wish he'd cut to the chase. He sure as hell seems in no hurry to disclose anything useful.

Let's face it, if he does intend to fully disclose he's going about it all wrong. He should provide the schematics, the important or critical information and then go into more depth and details once everyone has seen the big picture. It's all too fragmented and disjointed to make any sense at present.

From photos it looked like he was simply using a commercially available PWM - I provided a link to it in an earlier post.

What electrolyte is FF's using in his working unit? Surely someone would have asked that. The only time he's mentioned an electrolyte was when he was showing a unit driven by straight DC on a workbench, when I think it was KOH, but that video along with two others has been deleted now.

Not in a million years is that WFC producing 55lpm, so that makes me immediately suspicious about anything and everything that is said thereafter. I am however trying my very hardest to give the guy the benefit of the doubt... but he ain't making it easy!

I take it you have not seen any schematics then Tad?

I feel I know you from some time back on the forums Tad... or would that be another Tad?

Some of you might find ZFF's comments of interest:

YouTube - #239 100% HHO FEC 2004 Dodge Pickup comments

They didn't give my guys any schematics, but they did mention a few details. Apprently there is a low frequency around 7.8Hz and a higher frequency in the 10Khz range? It interfered with the radio and such I am told, so it must be producing RFI. I believe they said it was Sodium hydroxide or KOH, one of the two. I will try to get the details again from them.

The team consisted of a Nasa scientist (retired) who specialized in hydrogen systems, and a couple of potential investors. They didn't send me or my friend which was too bad. They spent alot of money getting everyone there for the last showing of the technology which didn't make anyone very happy when it was a no-show, but everyone is still waiting for more details.

The fact that it was supposed to be an "potential investors meeting" makes me even a bit more suspicious. But what do I know? They could have something working I guess.

This is the Tad (Johnson) who has been around since the 90's working on Meyer H2 systems and high voltage Gray systems.

air-space

I'm a bit confused as to why the thing was using
so many stainless steel electrode pairs in just
one container. Its got to be a giant container,
whereas the required pressure might be easily
attained with less spacious attributes.

If the volume of gas being produced in one
second equaled 1:5 the volume of the 'empty' space
in the container, wouldn't it take around 10sec
to get 30psi?

[lamare]

Thanks Tad

Well it would seem he's well enough to be making the videos - I just wish he'd cut to the chase. He sure as hell seems in no hurry to disclose anything useful.

Let's face it, if he does intend to fully disclose he's going about it all wrong. He should provide the schematics, the important or critical information and then go into more depth and details once everyone has seen the big picture. It's all too fragmented and disjointed to make any sense at present.

From photos it looked like he was simply using a commercially available PWM - I provided a link to it in an earlier post.

What electrolyte is FF's using in his working unit? Surely someone would have asked that. The only time he's mentioned an electrolyte was when he was showing a unit driven by straight DC on a workbench, when I think it was KOH, but that video along with two others has been deleted now.

Not in a million years is that WFC producing 55lpm, so that makes me immediately suspicious about anything and everything that is said thereafter. I am however trying my very hardest to give the guy the benefit of the doubt... but he ain't making it easy!

I take it you have not seen any schematics then Tad?

I feel I know you from some time back on the forums Tad... or would that be another Tad?

Some of you might find ZFF's comments of interest:

YouTube - #239 100% HHO FEC 2004 Dodge Pickup comments

Don't be too hard on the fellow. He did a damn fine job showing it can be done. From what I saw on his video's I can tell he's a good mechanic, not an electrical engineer. He needs a good rf engineer at his side, IMHO.

[Vickers]

Making a little more sense now.

He needs pressure for the injectors to work.

The pressure build up is allowing his frequencies(or microwaves?) to super heat the water.

He was obviously concerned about this heat due to the large cooling tank on back of the truck, but realized the benefits and left it disconnected.

[Farrah Day]

Thanks Tad

Well it would seem he's well enough to be making the videos - I just wish he'd cut to the chase. He sure as hell seems in no hurry to disclose anything useful.

Let's face it, if he does intend to fully disclose he's going about it all wrong. He should provide the schematics, the important or critical information and then go into more depth and details once everyone has seen the big picture. It's all too fragmented and disjointed to make any sense at present.

From photos it looked like he was simply using a commercially available PWM - I provided a link to it in an earlier post.

What electrolyte is FF's using in his working unit? Surely someone would have asked that. The only time he's mentioned an electrolyte was when he was showing a unit driven by straight DC on a workbench, when I think it was KOH, but that video along with two others has been deleted now.

Not in a million years is that WFC producing 55lpm, so that makes me immediately suspicious about anything and everything that is said thereafter. I am however trying my very hardest to give the guy the benefit of the doubt... but he ain't making it easy!

I take it you have not seen any schematics then Tad?

I feel I know you from some time back on the forums Tad... or would that be another Tad?

Some of you might find ZFF's comments of interest:

YouTube - #239 100% HHO FEC 2004 Dodge Pickup comments

[UncleFester]

Some friends of mine went over to see the system two times. The first time they got to check the whole truck over and found no gasoline. They were able to drive the truck a few miles and it apparently completely normal.

They did get a few inside details others didn't get. First, the cell feels as though it's vibrating mechanically when you put your hand on it. Second, there are multiple frequencies being fed into the system, just like JLN's Nand logic input on his WFC test. Third, the cell is using electrolytes (which immediately made me think it could not work).

A second team was sent to Arizona from Australia and all of them thought he had to be hiding something because they could not figure out (like me) how to get enough gas to run the truck from standard electrolysis.

Wells has terminal cancer and feels that he does not have much time left. apparently he is making sure that others know in detail how the system works in case he dies.

When our team went back for the last demonstration it was a no show. Wells was sick and there were problems with the cell. So I don't know what's going to happen but it doesn't look very good at this point.

Hope that gives a bit more insight as to what is going on.

Tad

[Farrah Day]

Something doesn't smell right, Its been a month and nothing yet. I have learn more of this in this forums than on his videos and it should be the opposite.

Agreed.

In that last video he appears simply to be doing a bit of on-the-side experimenting. And why has he deleted the tube tuning videos I wonder??? Fast Freddy's credibility is now taking a severe knock with each and every 'worthless' video.

If you're looking in FF, get your act together quickly because you're fast becoming a bit of a joke!

[lamare]

Now I see what you were getting at Lamare.

The problem I see with what you are suggesting is that, I for one, have never noticed any such sudden unusual, rush of current flow across ss electrodes that I would expect to see if a dielectric suddenly failed.

In fact even when applying some very high voltages, I've never seen the current rise other than in proportion to the applied voltage.

You can see this in the images shown here about how they made rectifiers in the old days, very, very, very similar to an electrolytic capacitor:
Borax or Baking Soda Rectifier and the glow.

The rectifier tends to also act like a capacitor.

The first picture from curve tracer, shows rectifier curve with very little plate area immersed in solution and little capacitance.

The second picture from curve tracer, shows rectifier with more plate area immersed producing a lot more parallel capacitance.

Now do realize that the layers in this example are in the order of a few micrometers thick. So, if your layer is very thin, such as on a clean ss tube, you hardly see this effect, because then the horizontal part of the curve will be much smaller... With a tube covered with Calcium carbonate you should be able to see this effect, though.