Basic Electrolysis

[stevie1001]

Have you tried this? Any luck?

Against all common sense, i walked to my lab to run a smal 30 minute test on this. After shaking and waiting i noticed the diesel returning on top of the water. No burning water here. Not with destilled or tap.
Wow. That was an easy test.
Can people banned who claim things that dont work at all?

[sebosfato]

The dielectric will change of course if is water vapor or water liquid... however what i'm telling you is that when you don't surpass the energy the contaminants need to start conducting it will aways be a dielectric and behave as such.

You should check conduction band studies.

Water with contaminants is only more lossy as its theoretical parallel resistance will be smaller than would if it was pure, and because its contaminants tends to breakdown at low energies, and also there will be a loss % over time of charge also because it is moving... this essentially change a few the relation of charge retained over time. However if you don't get over 1,23 volts it will behave as a good capacitor with 81 k even if is ocean water.

A dielectric is a kind of charge density (space) amplifier... if you have two charged plates and insert a dielectric between them you will have much more charge because of the ability of the water or any dielectric to align its dipoles ... The electrons in the material goes toward the positive place and the holes goes to the negative side this electrons will close the holes making the material more resistive. If the energy or electric field goes up to a certain limit, the electrons will raise into the conduction band and you will have a short. conduction band happens when you have open the holes and the energized electrons to conduct)

Ferromagnetic ceramics are very good and efficient dielectric because it remain aways aligned physically thus you just need to input the charge...

[HairBear]

Have you tried this? Any luck?

Against all common sense, i walked to my lab to run a smal 30 minute test on this. After shaking and waiting i noticed the diesel returning on top of the water. No burning water here. Not with destilled or tap.
Wow. That was an easy test.
Can people banned who claim things that dont work at all?

stevie, I wonder if by chance there is a language barrier and it was possibly not mentioned if the diesel was emulsified in some way. I have seen it done with ultrasonic mixers.

YouTube - Ultrasonic Emulsifying of Oil in Water

[stevie1001]

stevie, I wonder if by chance there is a language barrier and it was possibly not mentioned if the diesel was emulsified in some way. I have seen it done with ultrasonic mixers.

YouTube - Ultrasonic Emulsifying of Oil in Water

oil and water just dont mix.
language issues or not.

I think those vids are a great joke!
Well made, to fool the world.

At least this test doesnt cost much to do.

stevie

[luno]

H2O as fuel

Have you tried this? Any luck?

Against all common sense, i walked to my lab to run a smal 30 minute test on this. After shaking and waiting i noticed the diesel returning on top of the water. No burning water here. Not with destilled or tap.
Wow. That was an easy test.
Can people banned who claim things that dont work at all?

Hi,

You refuse the idea very quickly! If you see the video carefully you can note that the men test the water and nobody test the diesel oil! Of course, you can't make an emulsion of diesel oil and water without some additive which can dissolve the first and the second at the same time (for example, a liquid soap) and create the bond between them. You need to search this product. You can try to use ultrasound, if you don't want to search it. All the best!

[stevie1001]

Hi,

You refuse the idea very quickly! If you see the video carefully you can note that the men test the water and nobody test the diesel oil! Of course, you can't make an emulsion of diesel oil and water without some additive which can dissolve the first and the second at the same time (for example, a liquid soap) and create the bond between them. You need to search this product. You can try to use ultrasound, if you don't want to search it. All the best!

So the search must be to find the secret ingredient.
Well, basic diesel can be dismissed.
Who else has idea's?

[sucahyo]

You can find here some additional information about H2O – diesel oil mixture:

There are thousands of engine already running with water and oil/diesel/gasoline mixture with GEET technology. Some even run with urine. But this is not electrolysis anymore...

[willy]

First time posting

I have read that connecting seperate electroliss cells together will cause clustering of gases. One paper which comes to mind is rex researchs article on herman andersons round cell in which the author is giving his two cents worth on hod designs. He suggest putting three cells together to make H6/o3 I have read this also read this on another forum. Does any one know what they are trying to say,also why has hermon andersons electroliss cell that powered his 390 cubic inch Ltd not been talked about in this wonderfull forum?

[HairBear]

Thank you Willy! I had seen this in the past and forgot about it. I'm glad you brought this up. Here are some links for others to read...

Herman P. Anderson

Fuel system for internal combustion ... - Google Patent Search

[willy]

Back again

Hairbear the first site you posted on the bottom of the opening page under my thoughts on herman it mentions the use of three cells in together to make clustered gas, is this correct does anyone know of this effect. Maybe Fariday can chime in on this one? Thanks

[willy]

herman anderson

I have read all of the papers I can find on the net about Mr anderson if you look at his background you will see that he was a very smart man. I have to wonder if his systems are not the place to start or at least really study on. Since I am new here I am a little nervous about starting a thread if I even can with my jr membership. Maybe someone reading will agree and help me out.

[HairBear]

You have brought up a good point about the three cell in a stacked fashion which I think is what Farrah might be searching for. The cells, like in a series circuit, would be stages of processes with an end result much different than that of normal electrolysis. Stage 1 may be the water bath cell producing the gasses from electrolysis, stage 2 would be a primary ionization chamber, and stage 3 would be a secondary ionization and/or ignition chamber, increasing the energy levels of the gasses(H+ and O+) as the potential differentials increase progressively through each stage. It's possible if the circuitry's polarity is reversed the reaction may produce H- and O-? I'm really just taking a guess with my limited understanding of his works and your explanation. Is there any present or previous information available concerning combustion of ionized gasses?

[Farrah Day]

I'm a little puzzled by Andersons contribution to the WFC world, as his patents seem only to be for a specialised sparkplug that delivers the hydrogen, air, water mix. His patents clearly depict a tank of hydrogen being used, but show nothing of the on-demand electrolyser that is mentioned in the text at one point.

I had similar problems with the 'Dad' Garret contribution as he claimed to have added an enormous generator to his engine to produce enough gas from a tiny electrolytic carburettor to run his car.

And remember the Carl Cella cell?

I feel sometimes that these things go to press before they are fully tested and evaluated. They make the news thanks to eager uneducated reporters seeing only what they want to see for the sake of the headline.

Is there any reference to a patent for the Anderson Electrolyser?

Legends abound... but alas sadly, hard facts do not. I find it hard to believe that while all the legends thrive, all the facts and important details are always lost to time.

[Farrah Day]

From the link posted by HB

The rest of the function of the gasoline carb is not used. He claimed greater power than gasoline, and 38 miles per gallon of water. As far as quantity of hydrogen produced, he produced enough gas from his electrolytic chamber to need a cut-off switch connected to a pressure gauge to stop gas production when it was no longer needed while driving. In other words, instead of producing more or less gas on demand, as some systems do, it appears his system always produced the same amount, but was turned on and off as needed. He emphasized that deuterium (heavy water) was essential to his approach, doubling the density of the hydrogen, making it twice as powerful. He also used high voltage, 70,000 volts to be exact, from two custom-made coils, to effect rapid separation of the component gases, a process which he calls 'radiolysis.' The 70,000 volts constitute what he calls a 'soft' x-ray, not radioactive but in need of shielding, in-between a microwave oven and a 'hard' x-ray.

Only 38 miles to a gallon of water suggests to me that quite a lot was being misted into the engine as water.

Deuterium?? This stable isotope of hydrogen exists in small quantities in nature, but I'm not inclined to think you can make it in an electrolyser. And, it might be twice the mass of normal hydrogen, but half of that is made up from a neutron... where would this neutron be coming from?? Anyway, why would this really make for a more energetic combustion?

'70,000 volts constitute what he calls a 'soft x-ray', not radioactive but in need of shielding'. What? What is this all about?? What has voltage as such got to do with EMR? Surely this would be frequency, not voltage, related.

It's probably just my natural scepticism cutting in, but I get alarm bells going off when I read stuff that doesn't gel very well with me.

Additional: Just to add further to my concerns, the author later claims that the hydrogen was 'irradiated' to make deuterium, and that deuterium is 2 protons?? He also states that Andersons vehicle was radioactive under the hood, somewhat contradicting what was stated earlier, and likewise states that the deuterium allowed the vehicle to reach full power when earlier it states that the vehicle did not reach full power. To many inconsistencies and blatant contradictions from the author for my liking. Alarm bells up a few more decibels!

[willy]

My take on this

This excerpt on the first page of the link you listed is the same as I have seen on numerous articles including rex research's page on anderson. It claims that if you hook individual cells one to another each flowing through the next that the gases will start to cluster together first h2-01 then h4-02 then h8-04. Now this is not from Hermon anderson's mouth it's from the guy writing the article. I am new to this forum, but I have read about and built electrolizers for going on four years now. This article has stuck out in my mind since reading it at least a couple years ago. This doesn't seem right. With the knowledge of the active nitrogen and ect that Aron and others have recently brought to light this makes me realy get to thinking if the clustering effect has merit.