Atomic Hydrogen as a Fuel

[james west]

@ microvolt
quite alot to get through, thx

@ leanmixture

for the same amount of electrical input you will get the same production of D2 gas. It is twice as dense with 1 proton & 1 neutron. I am interested to how you are planning to create fusion to be able to produce D2.

[LeanMixture]

heavy water electrolysis

Anybody knows if the electrolysis of heavy water will produce more hydrogen than using the same amount of light water using the same amount of electricity and the same conditions.???

[ashtweth]

Slovenia , Aaron/ALL

Soon as some one turns that into a spark plug let me know Sorry guys couldn't resist.

Ash

[mikrovolt]

found this pdf on plasma has some info on laser nm spectrum other details

http://alexandria.tue.nl/extra2/200510358.pdf

[james west]

can anyone convert this?

can someone please show me the maths or a method of conversion to find out the electrical energy needed to disasociate a 50cc volume of H2 into H+H at STP.

J L Naudins setup shows his best efficiency was at about 5watt input, into 30cc of H2. (0.3Lt @ 0.1 Atm). But how much of this 30cc volume would have been split?

[Aaron]

atomic hydrogen

From William Lyne's book "Occult Ether Physics"

1) From Van Nostrand's Encyclopedia of Science

So, is not correct! It's only about 412 J to disassociate the H2 into 2 H's atoms !!! This is where the extra energy comes in from the vacuum and what makes this process have an optimal energy gain of about 1000 times the input.

Maybe, I was only quoting that from a reference. Other references show
416 J, etc... it depends on whose book you read.

In any case, this concept is in the context of dissociating h2 to h with an
arc.

Nh3 production route then cracking ammonia doesn't require as much,
which will ultimately give atomic hydrogen where it needs to be when
only starting with air and water.

[Konklav]

William Lyne

Atomic Hydrogen was originally described by William Lyne in his book OCCULT ETHER PHYSICS in Chapter VI: FREE ENERGY MASSACRE copyright 1996 - most of the material in this page forum was taken from his research - he is currently building the furnace and it is called the Lyne Hydrogen Furnace. Patents probably pending.

[SilverToGold]

From William Lyne's book "Occult Ether Physics"

1) From Van Nostrand's Encyclopedia of Science

So, is not correct! It's only about 412 J to disassociate the H2 into 2 H's atoms !!! This is where the extra energy comes in from the vacuum and what makes this process have an optimal energy gain of about 1000 times the input.

Atomic and Nascent Hydrogen, Atomic Hydrogen, Nascent Hydrogen | TutorVista.com
Atomic Hydrogen

Langmuir ,in 1915, obtained atomic hydrogen by dissociating on a hot filament of tungsten or platinum. The dissociation of molecular hydrogen is an endothermic process.




The atomic hydrogen is stable only for a fraction of a second and immediately reverts back to its molecular form, liberating a large amount of energy.

[LeanMixture]

Atomic Hydrogen water electrolysis

I was wondering about the effects on hydrogen production if we were to feed the water that is being split by the conventional means by atomic hydrogen from an outer source. Would that increase the hydrogen production by rapidly dissociating water to form new hydrogen molecules?

[sucahyo]

but when im listening Meyer lecture Stanley A. Meyer The Safe Free Energy Conference Einsiedeln_Switzerland-1989 mostly from 39:44 to 41:30 i came to idea that what we sould do is to prevent recombination off hydrogen and oxygen to form water to get more energy right?

Meyer solution for this is to flow them at:
- VIC, amp limited, laser primed resonant cavity.
- quenching circuit, a small pipe of at least 1/8 inch long and having a .015 diameter.

However, I recall to see a video where he do it directly by burning the output of hho using plastic tube.

[Slovenia]

Thinking Outside the Box

hello

i just wanted to add my opinion

well to make atomic hydrogen you have to use extra energy to craete arc right ?

but when im listening Meyer lecture Stanley A. Meyer The Safe Free Energy Conference Einsiedeln_Switzerland-1989 mostly from 39:44 to 41:30 i came to idea that what we sould do is to prevent recombination off hydrogen and oxygen to form water to get more energy right?

so what hes saying is to ,after water separation, hydrogen and oxygen sould be energized to create bigger than normal charges in nuclei to weken the attraction force with electron so it will not be in stable state and will not recombine to form water molecule wich will result in combustion in even higher energy output .

thats how i understand this , hes saying hes using laser but why ? we can energize hydrogen and oxygen just after splitting with the same technique that we energize to split water molecule with alternating electric field

what you guys think ?

cheers
wojsciech

Hi Wojwrobel,

The reason I started this thread was to give members another option to consider in their quest for energy independence. This is a Irving Langmiur type system and I feel a much easier setup to utilize than that of the late Stanley Meyer.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

[wojwrobel]

hello

i just wanted to add my opinion

well to make atomic hydrogen you have to use extra energy to craete arc right ?

but when im listening Meyer lecture Stanley A. Meyer The Safe Free Energy Conference Einsiedeln_Switzerland-1989 mostly from 39:44 to 41:30 i came to idea that what we sould do is to prevent recombination off hydrogen and oxygen to form water to get more energy right?

so what hes saying is to ,after water separation, hydrogen and oxygen sould be energized to create bigger than normal charges in nuclei to weken the attraction force with electron so it will not be in stable state and will not recombine to form water molecule wich will result in combustion in even higher energy output .

thats how i understand this , hes saying hes using laser but why ? we can energize hydrogen and oxygen just after splitting with the same technique that we energize to split water molecule with alternating electric field

what you guys think ?

cheers
wojsciech

[Slovenia]

sucahyo,

Thanks for sharing the information on the water torch. That is real amazing stuff.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

[sucahyo]

HHO torch

Haven't anyone use HHO generator as torch? I don't think it is that different when you made a flame of it.

The advantage of water torch:
- non toxic output, infact a super water
- very concentrated heat, allow very high precision cut required for jewelery, etc. heat do not radiate everywhere
- hot enough to melt rock or any other hard substance.
- can burn anything which allow it's use in korea as virus disinfectant, waste clean up and nuclear contaminant cleaning.



other use:
Eagle-Research:

We are learning more applications for the gas all the time. Examples include making super-pure water (literally formed from atoms), spot glazing for ceramics, repairs on exotic materials, enhancing combustion of petro-fuels (HyZor Technology), neutralizing radioactive waste, etc.

We expect people who use the ERxxxx WaterTorches to discover uses we haven't even thought of. The possibilities are so endless that this technology will change civilization as we know it.

POLITICALLY HOT BROWN'S GAS USES
We mention these applications here so that you can see why Brown's Gas would be of interest to nearly anyone. Some of these applications are politically too hot for us to touch right now. We have enough internal (Eagle-Research) evidence to mention these uses as potentially real and are working to get independent verification. DISCLAIMER: Until we have independent verification we are describing the below information as RUMORS.

In the meantime, we feel that it is important to get as many ERxxxx WaterTorches out into the world as possible, so that the technology has public acceptance when we then tell people the many ways to use the Brown's Gas for their personal benefit.

Pure 'New' Water Manufacture
We're learning that water can be 'programed' to pass on health. This is easy to do with the water formed by the 'exhaust' of the Brown's Gas flame. The production of Brown's Gas 'erases' previous programing and then we can impress new programing on the water as it is newly reformed. We can make water that gives a feeling of relaxation and well-being just by drinking it.

Hydrated Water for Health
When Brown's Gas is bubbled through clean water, the water absorbs oxygen and hydrogen. We think there is an additional energy (electrical in nature) added to the water as well. We find the drinking the resulting enhanced, oxygenated and hydrated water to bring us alert like drinking a cup of coffee, without the side effects.

Many people know that oxygenated water is healthful. There are many companies selling water that has had oxygen added to it.

What is generally unknown is that water is even more healthful when hydrogen is added to it. Drinking water is called hydrating the body. An astonishing fact is that chlorinated water, coffee, carbonated and sweetened fluids are generally dehydrating. Most of the diseases known to mankind (including aging) can be prevented or mitigated by hydrating the body.

Every test of Brown's Gas enhanced water shows it to be super hydrating, far superior to regular water (as much as 10 times).

Enhanced water is an essential key to keeping an active youthful body as the years go by. We have reason to believe this water enhances every chemical process in the body, making a super immune system and mitigating the symptoms of aging, mostly caused by dehydration.

Detoxifying Water
In North America chlorine is used to purify water, intending to kill microorganisms that cause disease. Chlorine is a deadly poison and attempts are made to put in just enough to kill the microorganisms and not the person drinking it. Most of the rest of the world purifies water using Ozone, a form of oxygen. Oxygen kills the microorganisms without harm to people. Brown's Gas is an excellent way to oxygenate drinking water.

Atmosphere Enhancement
We now live in an area that has very dry air. We were using nearly a gallon (4 L) of water a night to keep our bedroom moist enough so that we could breathe easily. We are finding that the Brown's Gas gives us the same results using only a cup (250 mL) of water per night.

Muscle Relaxation; Pain Relief
When Brown's Gas is applied to the skin, hydrogen and oxygen are absorbed which then flows (via blood) to muscles and joints that have problems due to dehydration, resulting in nearly instantaneous relief of pain caused from cramps and swelling. This relief continues for extended periods of time.

Speed Healing of Wounds
When Brown's Gas is applied to a wound, hydrogen and oxygen are absorbed which kills anaerobic microorganisms and assists cell regeneration.

Help Plants Germinate and Grow
Plant growth can be enhanced by either hydrated water and/or 'programmed' water. The resulting plants and fruits are more healthful to eat, providing nutrition and energy that most current produce cannot.

Neutralization of Radioactive Waste
It has now been officially proven (in Canada) that Brown's Gas can neutralize radioactive waste in seconds, easily and extremely inexpensively. This neutralization treatment can take place right at the nuclear reactor so there is no need to transport or store nuclear waste.

This issue is so politically HOT that we deliberately do not promote it. Brown's Gas technology is not firmly enough in general use to prevent suppression by 'vested interest'. This single application is worth billions of dollars and can revolutionize the nuclear power generation industry.

Creating New Industrial Materials
Brown's Gas can both make and weld rubies together. Brown's Gas can weld sapphires together. When Brown's Gas cooks rocks, it turns then into semiprecious material; for example feldspar (30% of earth's crust) turns into a transparent form of moonstone, which can be used as a nearly indestructible building material (colors can be added).

Transmutation
We've learned of two ways of using Brown's Gas to make materials that did not exist in the original samples. We can make metals from water. Again, too politically HOT to touch.

Inexpensive Toxic Waste Disposal
Brown's Gas is an implosive flame, with the power to reduce nearly any material to it's basic components (usually nontoxic). So enclosed chambers can be built to vaporize PCBs and other toxic waste.

Vastly Increase Recoverable Ore
In tests conducted by several mines, Brown's Gas treated ore allowed recovery of up to three times more mineral. Brown's Gas can be used to treat waste dumps of obsolete mines, recovering more mineral than the mine originally produced. Again, this application is worth billions of dollars.

Underwater Breathing Gas
Brown's Gas is nontoxic and breathable. When used as an underwater breathing gas it allows divers to stay underwater longer and come up faster because the hydrogen does not cause the bends as much as nitrogen or helium. This would allow much more use of ocean resources.

Super-Efficient Room Heating
Generally, Brown's Gas is a poor way to space heat, because the flame radiates very little infrared (heat) energy.

However; there is evidence that, using catalytic materials, a Brown's Gas heater can be constructed that radiates huge amounts of heat and does not require any room venting. The efficiencies stated are 400%. In other words, a 1000 watts input will produce 4000 watts of heat. Eagle-Research has not yet verified this, but has seen enough evidence to list it here.

Surface Treatment of Materials
When a Brown's Gas flame is played over the surface of materials, there are effects that can be beneficial. Iron becomes rust resistant, and can be surface hardened to prevent wear. Brick and cement become corrosion and water proof.

Combustion Enhancement
Brown's Gas has been proven to help burn water/fossel-fuel mixtures in a ratios of up to 90% water. This works in internal AND external combustion (from vehicles to home heating and electrical power plants).

I see it has same property as atomic hydrogen.

place to buy them:


Eagle-Research:

Watertorch.com the best Brown's Gas Technology in the world.


for more info on brown-gas/water torch read info on eagle-research.

As for home heating appliance, I read that stephen meyer have that kind of product utilizing ceramic as heat radiator.

I notice that there is much use of hho gas. It would be a shame to have your 1L/minutes hydroxy generator just stand idle. Start burning your coffe .

[ewizard]

The 2nd Link will not pull up properly for some reason, so I am going to give you a link to a web page that has the pdf file I want you to download there. The name of the book I was trying to link you to was, PDF IRVING LANGMUIR AND ATOMIC HYDROGEN. By Nicholas Moller.

So, here is the link if you'd like to download the book:
irving langmiur atomic hydrogen pdf - Google Search

Thanks Slovenia, I got it