Ionization & Water Fuel

[adam_mizer]

Tutanka thank you for the pictures and sorry no disrespect intended about the coil.
Your doing a fine job sir.

[Slovenia]

Nice Job

And from an photo you decide that CERAMIC BI-COIL don't work?? About the circut .. you can see with your eyes

Tutanka,

Looks pretty great to me.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

[dankie]

Great stuff

Tutanka I hope that thing works as good as the pcb looks .

Cahoon great simple ionizer , hope you inspire much people .

I am also designing a PLL Tutanka , but since I am using low voltage , my design will use a voltage controlled resistor with direct feedback to my main oscillator .

I believe Puharich used a crude form of Mosfet as a resonant sensing resistor .

[sucahyo]

My Plasmatron:

Time to test it.

Mybe connect it between the PCV Valve and Intake Manifold..

Dave

You don't intend to suppress the sparking ?

[dave_cahoon]

You don't intend to suppress the sparking ?

Yes it will aid the corona, If I tweak the center electrode back a bit more.
It is only arcing over once every few seconds. (exposure time 6 seconds)

Dave
Does anyone know a substitute for Corona dope? There is almost as much corona outside as inside.

[Aaron]

dielectric coating

Super Corona Dope is better than Corona Dope.

I have looked at using Plastidip for similar purposes but
maybe more messy.

[Aaron]

review

http://www.energeticforum.com/82378-post83.html Very reactive

http://www.energeticforum.com/82432-post88.html Ionization

[Aaron]

Ionization circuit

Dave, your ionization tube is powered by an ignition coil. What kind
of frequency is it running at? Do you have a schematic Dave?

Does anyone else have similar circuits?

Is there a voltage too high?

What about frequency range?

Alex's diagram showed about 7-8kv.

I was thinking the output of a neon sign transformer
that is used to power neon tubes for cars or ignition coil
is best - other than that, maybe a sharper image ionizing
hair dryer

[pengrove]

Tutanka,

Looks pretty great to me.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

I do not see any kind of feedback inputs for this to be a PLL circuit.

[Jetijs]

Dave, your ionization tube is powered by an ignition coil. What kind
of frequency is it running at? Do you have a schematic Dave?

Does anyone else have similar circuits?

Is there a voltage too high?

What about frequency range?

Alex's diagram showed about 7-8kv.

I was thinking the output of a neon sign transformer
that is used to power neon tubes for cars or ignition coil
is best - other than that, maybe a sharper image ionizing
hair dryer

Aaron, I have made a simple air ionizer that works very well. I use a flyback transformer from an old crt monitor, it has a ferrite core and I wind some 5 tuns of wire on that core. Then you just build a simple 555 timer with adjustable duty cycle and pulse a gate of a MOSFET. I found that I can get the highest voltages out of this transformer at around 10Khz, I just keep reducing the 555 circuit capacity till I get the longest sparks at around 1-1.5A current draw. Works fine, I it arcs over at around 10mm and I can stretch the arc out to about 20mm. I will post a circuit later. But here is a video about this:
YouTube - Making ionized air and ion wind

Also you will want to put a 5-10 MOhm resistor in series with the HV output to suppress arcing.
Also I think the voltage is never too high, at higher voltages you can set the electrodes further apart and thus using a bigger diameter tube for the electrodes, this will ionize bigger volumes of air. With the 555 timer you can adjust the level of max HV by adjusting the duty cycle, also the megaohm resistor in series with the HV helps a lot. Arcing is not desired, because as soon as an arc forms, the ionization and ion wind stops.
This is really simple and works like a charm

[Jetijs]

I attached the circuit

[dave_cahoon]

Jetijs circuit will work just fine. I almost used a flyback too, but the core was cracked. I used the fet to slam the 2n3055 base hi. Nothing gets hot. Then I use a tripler from a old TV to go to DC and bump the voltage up.

The coil on the circuit is run near its resonate frequency. I did not bother to use a scope on this project. I tweaked the frequency with the tiny trim pot until the coil arced over its self. Then back up a bit, then a bit more. You want dc positive on the center electrode.

I made a smaller gas processor back in 2005 with a neon sign transformer and found that it only worked partly. It, operating at 60hz was a drawback.

@Jetijs did you try converting gasses other than air with your ionizer?

Dave

[Jetijs]

Hi Dave
No, I have not tried any other gasses. I am not so far yet, I still have to reassemble my hho cell with different gaskets. But one of the first things I will try will be water steam. Russian research has found that using ionized steam can save up to 50% of fuel in a gas burner heater. They say that ionized steam releases hydrogen when reaching a critical temperature. This does not happen with regular steam. They got the heater 300 degree celsius hotter with that system and saved much natural gas that was used as fuel. I noticed something similar when I used the water spark circuit on my genset, I did not see any fuel economy, but the exhaust got much hotter when water was introduced. It does not make sense in conventional thinking, because usually the "wetter" the gas mixture, the cooler the engine runs

[dave_cahoon]

The short story.

http://www.psfc.mit.edu/library1/catalog/reports/2000/01rr/01rr001/01rr001_full.pdf

I have a paper on steam electricity http://free-energy-info.co.uk/P6.pdf
the ph of the starting water was the key and the pressure of the steam related to the spark length.

The pipe Plasmatron has a hissing sound.

Ill run propane thru it to a flare then flip the switch??

Then ill get a bottle of H2 and either compressed air or N2 and run them thru to the flare point

Dave

[dave_cahoon]

Hi group,

I filled the reactor with propane. Closed it. Run the HVDC.
And the sparks are defiantly a different color, more greenish white.

I'm still here..

Will haul it outside and try flowing the propane through it to a burner.

Dave