Stanley Meyer Explained

[sebosfato]

HI GUYS you must see this patent
And
Hydrogen economy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia see Thermochemical production read about all reactions here and you are going to understand what i was saying about my project in previous posts

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[tutanka]

HI H2OPOWER,
You wrote:

For as the electrons where created on one side and in the very next step the electrons are consumed by the electron extraction circuit the ions that where created now have no one the hook up with, thus putting the water out of equilibrium and the water will re-establish equilibrium by creating hydrogen and oxygen. Now without the electron extraction circuit the water molecules will just relax back into there normal equilibrium state.

This is the same concept of clorofilliana photosynthesis.

"The chlorophyll of photosistem II, remained lacking in an electron resumes, it to expenses of a water molecule, that it comes break in gaseous oxygen and ions H+ (hydrogen)". This principle has inspired Meyer??

[h20power]

I am begining to wonder about the oxygen atom since we are stripping electrons it is negative in charge like, O2(sub)2(uper)- peroxide ions. These oxygen ions created by the gas processor have been stripped 4 or more electrons. So this says to me that the oxygen is negative in charge just much father negetive than the atomized water molecules. The electron extraction circuit only comsumes the electrons not the ions and these oxygen ions have a much farther negetive charge in that we have stipped them of four or more electrons. So the oxygen atoms might be tetraoxide ions, pentaoxide ions, hexaoxide ions, heptaoxide ions, and octaoxide ions. But since oxygen likes to form in even numbers most of the time only tetraoxide ions, hexaoxide ions, and octaoxide ions seem plausable.

I was just thinking about this for something just didn't feel right in saying it was positive when we stripped it of electrons and not added electrons to the atom. This acts like a positive and a negetive in that the oxygen ions are much farther negetive than the atomized water molecules, but all are negative. Let me know if this makes any sense to everyone.


h2opower.

[Radiant_Science]

Err..

I am begining to wonder about the oxygen atom since we are stripping electrons it is negative in charge like, O2(sub)2(uper)- peroxide ions. These oxygen ions created by the gas processor have been stripped 4 or more electrons. So this says to me that the oxygen is negative in charge just much father negetive than the atomized water molecules. The electron extraction circuit only comsumes the electrons not the ions and these oxygen ions have a much farther negetive charge in that we have stipped them of four or more electrons. So the oxygen atoms might be tetraoxide ions, pentaoxide ions, hexaoxide ions, heptaoxide ions, and octaoxide ions. But since oxygen likes to form in even numbers most of the time only tetraoxide ions, hexaoxide ions, and octaoxide ions seem plausable.

I was just thinking about this for something just didn't feel right in saying it was positive when we stripped it of electrons and not added electrons to the atom. This acts like a positive and a negetive in that the oxygen ions are much farther negetive than the atomized water molecules, but all are negative. Let me know if this makes any sense to everyone.


h2opower.

@H2OPower....
It in fact doesn't make sense to me......
Maybe you just got urself thinking backwards
But, if you are stripping electrons (-e)...how's the net charge of the oxygen atoms gonna be negative??

If you take 4 electrons (negative charge) from the oxygen atoms the net charge of the electron deficient atom (having now MORE PROTONS THEN ELECTRONS) is gonna be NET POSITIVE.

The oxygen in water has 8 electrons, 8 protons, and 8 neutrons...However, it only has 6 of it's electrons in it's outer orbit (valence shell)...so it SHARES orbital electrons with two Hydrogen atoms to get up to eight valence electrons to create the most stable outer orbit, and all elements want to be in a stable orbit in spite of charge differences!

So, if in the first stage of operation u steal 1 electron, one Hydrogen ion will be produced (+H)...if you steal 2 electrons then both Hydrogen ions will pop off. The molecular charge would be +H +H and a neutral Oxygen. Now if you popped of an additional 4 electrons from the Oxygen atom it would be 4 electrons, 8 protons and 8 neutrons....4 electrons vs. 8 protons...leaves a NET CHARGE OF +4 protons

So the way I see it...everything is positive not far negative.

[sebosfato]

Yes the negative part of the atom is the electron when it miss electrons it goes into unstable state 8-4 in your example = +4
For you to not get confuse think this way a positive potential is like a vacuum that sucks the electrons and negative voltage is like a pressure that liberate electrons. This way is easy to understand the flow of the current. In opposite direction you have the electric field witch travel as i said in opposite direction. The current away flow from ground to positive or from negative to ground ok.

Changing subject I made some diagrams of what i call the infinity circuit check it.




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[CPU3rother]

I am begining to wonder about the oxygen atom since we are stripping electrons it is negative in charge like, O2(sub)2(uper)- peroxide ions. These oxygen ions created by the gas processor have been stripped 4 or more electrons. So this says to me that the oxygen is negative in charge just much father negetive than the atomized water molecules. The electron extraction circuit only comsumes the electrons not the ions and these oxygen ions have a much farther negetive charge in that we have stipped them of four or more electrons. So the oxygen atoms might be tetraoxide ions, pentaoxide ions, hexaoxide ions, heptaoxide ions, and octaoxide ions. But since oxygen likes to form in even numbers most of the time only tetraoxide ions, hexaoxide ions, and octaoxide ions seem plausable.

I was just thinking about this for something just didn't feel right in saying it was positive when we stripped it of electrons and not added electrons to the atom. This acts like a positive and a negetive in that the oxygen ions are much farther negative than the atomized water molecules, but all are negative. Let me know if this makes any sense to everyone.


h2opower.

With regard to the Oxygen and not the atomized water if you striped electrons from O2 you would have positive ions.

[CPU3rother]

I have an Ozone machine that has a UV light in it. I made a make shift EEC and installed it after the ozone generator. I use Ozone in my occupation about once a week so I know the smell. With this setup the oder is not the same. I also put it to a propane flame and It increased the flame size. Not much of an experiment but I got tired of looking for parts to order and needed to actually try something.

[pmazz850]

I agree, stripping electrons makes it positive. Some good info I found on ionization.
The Basics of Air Ionization for High-Technology Manufacturing Applications
Also, I found someone that sells inline air ionizers!
Inline Ionizing Air Cells

[Guest]

Anyone thought of adding some crystal knowledge into this game of VICs and gas processors? Maybe now we are finally getting to understanding his slits at the top of the pipes.... Polarize - shatter, good idea. Crystals, I see way too little discussion about them in this forum... Anyone with expertise is welcome to update the rest of us.

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And this is stolen from an OU thread:

I know what you are thinking. I have posted in the wrong topic and that
this should be moved to the Electrolysis section. What this post concerns,
though, is what I think Stan was hiding or leaving out of his patents,
videos, or any documentation that I have found, is a piezoelectric element
inside the negative cathode tube or plate. So, in essence, the inner tube
would be an electrode/transducer. I am currently researching piezoelectric
materials for use in my next experiments in hopes of confirming my gut
feeling that Stan used cavitation and electrolysis to get the amounts of
gasses he was producing.

A small reference I found in US patent 4798661, FIG. 7. Described as... "a
crossectional perspective of a multiple layer sandwich resistive element
for inhibiting electron leakage". He also states... "In this embodiment of
the current inhibitor connected to the inner plate having the negative
voltage applied thereto, comprises a stainless steel sandwich with a
resistive material therebetween. The stainless steel is a poor conductive
material and hence will restrict to some extent the electron flow. Other
poor conductive material may be used in lieu of the stainless steel. The
electron inhibitor is connected in the same manner as resistor, between
the inner plate having the negative potential connected to it and ground.
The resistive value of the electron inhibitor is chosen empirically to a
closest value, thereafter the total value of the resistance is fine tuned
by the resistor connected serially between the inner plate and ground. To
alter the resistive value of the electron inhibitor, the resistive
material comprising a mixture with a binder is altered in the percentage
of resistive material to binder."

What an odd way to add resistance, don't you think? He calls it an
"electron inhibitor" and not a resistor. This puzzled me for a long time
until I learned the fundamentals of sonochemistry and cavitation. In a
nutshell, we can vibrate liquids at ultrasonic speeds to get a desired
affect only achievable at certain frequencies and/or multiples of
frequencies such as harmonics and polyphonic tones. Cavitation is partly
the fracturing of the molecules caused by the vibration. Today we use this
technology in devices such as ultrasonic cleaners and chemical reaction
chambers for mixing and increasing chemical reactions up to a million
fold.

Now, the question next for me was, "What is electrolysis?".

e?lec?trol?y?sis [i-lek-trol-uh-sis, ee-lek-] ?noun

Physical Chemistry. the passage of an electric current through an
electrolyte with subsequent migration of positively and negatively charged
ions to the negative and positive electrodes.

Well, if it's well known that cavitation can increase chemical reactions
up to a million fold, then, why not electrolysis? It's a chemical
reaction. Let's look into this a little further...

A piezoelectric ceramic element exposed to an alternating electric field
changes dimensions cyclically, at the frequency of the field. The
frequency at which the element vibrates most readily in response to the
electrical input, and most efficiently converts the electrical energy
input into mechanical energy -- the resonance frequency -- is determined
by the composition of the ceramic material and by the shape and volume of
the element.

As the frequency of cycling is increased, the element's oscillations first
approach a frequency at which impedance is minimum (maximum admittance).
This frequency also is the resonance frequency. As the frequency is
further increased, impedance increases to a maximum (minimum admittance),
which also is the anti-resonance frequency. These frequencies are
determined by experiment

This explains why Stan was getting parallel LC resonance characteristics
out of a series LC circuit. In his earlier designs, the use of the VIC was
not yet implemented which proves the chokes are not as important as some
believe. It's the old trick of watching the right hand while the left hand
does the work unseen. He wants you to think it's all in the circuitry when
in fact it's in the cell.

When ever you see a video of Stan describing how the "Water Fuel Cell"
worked, he would always say: "Let the voltage do the work." Any of you out
there whom have experimented with electrolysis of water painstakingly know
that more voltage causes more current to flow. It's a catch22. By simply
utilizing piezoelectric materials in a proper configuration, we can
achieve, very easily, high levels of voltage and still only consume about
500 mA.

Having all this and more in mind, I am at the point of devising a
inexpensive and readily available material for use as a piezoelectric
material. I have found many pre-manufactured elements but what I am truly
looking for is what Stan may have used with his so called binder. One
possibility would be to use corona dope mixed with quartz powder. I know
very little in this area, so, please, if you have any pertinent
information about how to go about building my own piezoelectric material,
let me know. Quartz seems to be the best choice for it's properties and
low cost. It would also seem rather difficult to cut a perfect fit solid
crystal into a tube.

enough writing for now, back to research. Thanx for reading my post and
any comments you might have. Cheers!


Well, Stan kept some cards close to him, that is for sure, maybe they are all unfolding now.

[h20power]

I agree, stripping electrons makes it positive. Some good info I found on ionization.
The Basics of Air Ionization for High-Technology Manufacturing Applications
Also, I found someone that sells inline air ionizers!
Inline Ionizing Air Cells

Thanks everyone I guess I got lost in my own train of thought, was just going over chemistry values with the naming of things. I went over the whole page you posted and learned some good information pmazz850, thanks.

Quote from: The Basics of Air Ionization for High-Technology Manufacturing Applications

Corona Ionization.

Pulsed Dc Ionization.

Positive and negative high-voltage currents to the emitter points are alternately turned on and off in pulsed systems, creating clouds of positive and negative ions that mix together in the work area. The result is a dramatic lowering of the recombination rate. This allows ionizers to be placed on the ceilings of rooms 5 m high or higher.

Pulsed dc ionizers are used in rooms with low airflow and are the most common type of ionizer employed in cleanrooms and laminar-flow hoods. The advantage of this type of ionizer is its flexibility and versatility, as cycle timing can be adjusted to the specific airflow conditions. Since the polarity of the ionizer output varies with the cycle timing, a voltage swing is produced that must be limited in order to protect ESD-sensitive devices.5

Now add in photon bombardment and the consuming of the negetive air ions is what the Gas Processor is doing. Stanley Meyer varied the voltage swing independently of the pulse train given to the capacitive zones or high voltage zones, however you want to think about it, to make more or less ionized air gases as needed. And also in increasing the voltage you get a direct relationship between more ions being stripped off of the air gases, Stanley Meyer's 4 or more statement. This gives clear thought to all that I have been saying about the importance of the Gas Processor and electron extraction circuit and too the pulsing times of the LEDs coherent light.

Again thanks everyone,


h2opower.

[tutanka]

GP isn't the only way for reach an fucntional system. You need to pre-charge water.. You need steam and heat at the same time.. you need an conductive water if you want start a fast reaction with oxygen charged positively but without to use electrolyte as NAOH or KOH.. As mother nature teaches to us nothing is complicated the single difficult thing is only to understand

[h20power]

Interesting to see words from the Buzz for I have never read any of his thoughts before, but as to why they are in my thread and not in a totally new thread all there own is really pissing me off . Gauss are you the Buzz? I would really like you to start your own thread for that which you have just posted can not be built in someones garage. Not saying that I agree with it or dissagree with it, but what I am saying is it shouldn't be in my thread, it should be in a thread all on it's own so we have a place to talk about it.

Why do you repeatedly try to take over this thread? Why will you not put this in a thread where we could all talk about it, for it does sound interesting but does not match up with what I have been saying and it is WFC technology not WFI, GP, or EEC technology some of the things I have been going over here. I touch on the WFC from time to time but it is not my focuse. Out of all the people that upset me the most you are at the top of the list. If your going to start talking about "Stanley Meyer's WFC Explained" then do so in your very own thread for that is the proper way of doing things. To me it is a show of disrespect for the ideas of others. Why have you targetted me I have no idea. But please put this in your own thread for I really don't wish to talk about that on this thread, okay?


h2opower.

[tutanka]

Gauss.. you can't based only on resonance, cavitation is based also on mechanical action. Without these you can reach complete reaction. This is because I'm focalized on hydrosonic pump for creation of heat steam..

[sebosfato]

i would like to know if any of you know what i'm talking about? Did you understand my diagrams?

And would like to know if you can correct me if i'm wrong.

I made some calculations about impedance matching and i got this result. The secondary should be = inductance in primary * Factor of transformation^2. This way if you have resonance in a predetermined frequency you can just alter the capacitance changing the resonant frequency and its Q factor, but it will always match impedance allowing max transfer of energy. Or you can use a permanent magnet to change the inductance of the transformer lowering its inductances.
An example if you have 1mh in primary you would have for 10x transform factor 100mh on the secondary because is L*Ft^2. You can first measure your capacitance and than chose the inductor values possible to make than (sqrt(L))/Ft and you find the primary inductance. With the resonant frequency from L and c you calculate the primary reactance this way you know how many amps your are using. The lower the capacitance the higher the Q and higher reactance, and lower the L the lower the xl. My plates here are about 20cmx10cmx2mm and city water from the lcr i have 7 uf.
see my calculations.

Any way if you are using zvs i posted on the last diagrams it should match resonance but with this calculation you can design it for the f you need
hope you like it

[h20power]

One thing I am not sure people ever noticed about the VIC coil is that Stanley Meyer made two different types that did different jobs.

Taken from the SMTB:
Voltage Intensifier Circuit (60) of Figure (3-22) (Memo WFC 422 DA) as to Figure (1-1)
(Memo WFC 420) and Voltage Intensifier Circuit (620) of Figure (7-1) are specifically designed to
restrict amp flow during Programmable Pulsing Operations (49a xxx 49n) but in different
operational modes: VIC voltage circuit (60) utilizes copper wire-wrap to form Resonant Charging
Chokes (56/62) of Figure (3-22) in conjunction with Switching Diode (55) to encourage and make
use of "Electron Bounce" phenomena (700) of Figure (7-9) to help promote Step Charging Effect
(628) of Figure (7-7) by preventing electrical discharge of Resonant Cavity (140 - 170) since
Blocking Diode functions as an "Open" switch during Pulse Off-time; whereas, VIC Voltage
Enhancement Circuit (VIC - VB) (620) of Figure (7-1) incorporates the use of stainless steel wirewrap
coils (614/615) to accomplish the formation of unipolar gated pulse-wave (64a xxx T3 xxx
64n) without experiencing "signal distortion" or "signal degradation" (preventing transformer
ringing during signal propagation) as elevated voltage levels ( - xx Vc- xx Vd - xx Vn) while
allowing the reduction of Capacitor-Gap (Cp) (616) of Figure (7-11) width spacing (57 of Figure 3-
25 ~35 of Figure 6-2) (typically .060 - .010) respectively. as illustrated in Tubular Resonant Cavity
(170) as to Taper Resonant Cavity (620) of Figure (7-1).

The RED is VIC transformer number one and the BLUE is transformer number 2. They are used for different purposes. Transformer number one is made up of all copper wire, and transformer number two has 430FR SS wire for the dual layer chokes.

Now for the Gas Processor we want what Stanley Meyer calls, "Electron Bounce phenomena," and that VIC is made of all copper. These VIC transformers make their high voltages during switch off conditions or when the magnetic field is terminated and not the normal way that step up transformers employ. There are 42 coils that are going to make the high voltages by multipling each capcitive reactance to the next, Xc1 times Xc2 continuing the process on ending at Xc42 when the magnetic field is terminated. Why 42? The chokes are dual layered so 14 x 3 = 42. And since all coils are bifilar that number might be higher.

In order for the VIC transformer to work its best all coils must work as one or that is too say hit resonance at the same frequency. This can be done by varying the wire sizes in the bobbin cavities, since the primary will have the strongest magnetic field the inductance of the individual bobbin cavities should be made to match the primaries inductance. Now their is some debate as to match the series inductances of the secondary and resonante chokes to the primaries inductance, so more testing needs to be done to confirm which is more effecient.

Bi-directional wrap is making an X with the primary coils two layers or cross wrapped is another word for it.

Now I know this is going to make one guy I know very happy for he has been harping for the use of 430FR wire for some time now. But in Stanley Meyer's end product there is no WFC so no use of the second transformer. Stanley Meyer really cut the cost when he made the injectors, allowing the unstable oxygen atoms to break the water molecule down, and that satisfies the law of ecconomics. That saves a lot of money for there is no more quenching circuit, electrostatic filter, water fuel capacitor, 430FR SS wire, hybrid lazer distributer, and all the electronics that went along with them. And I think I might have left some out, big savings .

I hope this aids in everyones understanding of the VIC transformers.


h2opower.

This was just to show I have already went over this information already of how to build the VIC transformers. As for the electronics there are too many different ways for this to be done for me to give you any good advice. The circuits I am combining and using I already posted. But I have seen other circuits that seem to also work so in this realm there are a lot of ways to do the same thing. For me I am just trying to streamline the circuits and always I keep the GP and WFI VIC transformers isolated from the rest of the system.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help but there are just too many diferent ways to control the system for me to keep up with. Plus remember I am not using the WFC and in doing so I don't need a lot of systems that went into the WFC making it far more cost effective.


h2opower.