Stanley Meyer Explained

[Oneminde]

CPU3rother

I like your design! Only thing is I think h2o is right about the need for a coherent light source. Without it I think you will have to much destructive interference that will decrees the effectiveness. Wish I could say for sure.

Then neither of us is going to have a desirable effect. You are talking about using concetrated light whit specifik wave-behavior and charge, also known as Laser.
But know this. Multiphoton interaction is MORE common in natur then singel photon interaction, that is the first reason why h2opower chose what he did. At this point i do not know if that have a direct explanation of why Meyer used red leds or if it was becouse it was available - i know that in that case, red leds was what Meyer could get hold of... but.

A Coherent Light Source can also be an led whit a specifick wave... right? So, since you have an open question about it ("i'm not surten approach to it") jump in and explaine WHY you think that the UV-C source is gona give me (and others) problems.

The UV-C source i might

[h20power]

HI H2OPOWER,
Thanks for reply me.. I agree with you about oxygen destabilization but, as you can see from image attached, if you use an HHO cell the hydrogen must be charged for obtain thermal explosive energy needed.

This is why at times I don't like talking to you for just a total lack of understanding. I ask you how many electrons does the hydrogen atoms have to be stripped off? Answer, only one and the energy yield is 1312 kJ/mol. That is all you are going to get from hydrogen this way nothing more. Now can you see that it is the oxygen atoms that are doing most of the work? This is something all of you should see without me having to write it down. I expect each and every one of you to make out something this simple on your own without my help. For me it is just fustraighting to see something as simple as this go missunderstood for all this time.


h2opower.

[CPU3rother]

Something I want everyone to watch: YouTube - Free Global Energy P-1


h2opower.

Good vids. I can agree with most of that.

I'm going to post my GP and wait for some replys... just to see what the group says about it.

I like your design! Only thing is I think h2o is right about the need for a coherent light source. Without it I think you will have to much destructive interference that will decrees the effectiveness. Wish I could say for sure.

[tutanka]

I was talking about the use of any hho producing device be it, Boyce, smack boosters, and the like. The Gas Processor increases the energy level of the oxygen atom and too the hydrogen atom, though the hydrogen atom is harder to push up an energy level requiring 13eV of energy to do so, the GP can also bump up the enregy level of hydrogen. But it is the oxygen that can be stripped of many electrons and yeilds most of the power seen in Meyer's systems. The hydrogen atom is, for lack of a better word, and energy carrier, and the explosive energy is coming from the oxygen atoms.

That is why I targeted the wavelengths of oxygen and not hydrogen with the LEDs. For it is the oxygen that is making this all possible and hydrogen is just along for the ride, that holds very true for the water injector systems as they break down the water molecule and not bump up the energy level of the gases, or at least I don't think they do. To run the numbers all you need to do is use the 4th energy level and hydrogen and calculate how much you will need to have to run your reaction with hydrogen as the limiting reagent.

Hope that helps,

h2opower.




Good jobs on your designs both of you

HI H2OPOWER,
Thanks for reply me.. I agree with you about oxygen destabilization but, as you can see from image attached, if you use an HHO cell the hydrogen must be charged for obtain thermal explosive energy needed.

[h20power]

I was talking about the use of any hho producing device be it, Boyce, smack boosters, and the like. The Gas Processor increases the energy level of the oxygen atom and too the hydrogen atom, though the hydrogen atom is harder to push up an energy level requiring 13eV of energy to do so, the GP can also bump up the enregy level of hydrogen. But it is the oxygen that can be stripped of many electrons and yeilds most of the power seen in Meyer's systems. The hydrogen atom is, for lack of a better word, and energy carrier, and the explosive energy is coming from the oxygen atoms.

That is why I targeted the wavelengths of oxygen and not hydrogen with the LEDs. For it is the oxygen that is making this all possible and hydrogen is just along for the ride, that holds very true for the water injector systems as they break down the water molecule and not bump up the energy level of the gases, or at least I don't think they do. To run the numbers all you need to do is use the 4th energy level and hydrogen and calculate how much you will need to have to run your reaction with hydrogen as the limiting reagent.

Hope that helps,

h2opower.

Question for h2opower...

Initially in the first page of your thread you write:

"If you get to any one of these energy states it will run your engine with ease. So, the key is to make the Gas Processor and make it to ionize the gases that go through too a energy state as far as you can so you can get these energy levels to put in the cumbustion chamber and ignite them. I suggest to make two of them one for the incoming air and the other for the hho from what every source you choose to get the hho from. Now you can see just how Stanley Meyer ran his 1.6L VW engine on just a 7L/min production rate"

If this is true this means that for run an engine isn't needed more HHO but only an particular HHO, that I call energized, in association with Gas Processor for reach the thermal explosive energy inside to engine. AND ALSO.. If an 1600cc engine needed 7LPM generated from one WFC an 150cc engine needed ONLY 0.6LPM of HHO ENERGIZED.

You confirm me this?

Thanks in advance

Good jobs on your designs both of you

[pmazz850]

Sounds right

The GP increases the energy yield of the fuel mixture. If you get oxygen to its fourth energy level as Meyer said he did, you should be able to run the 150cc engine off 1LPM.

[tutanka]

Question for h2opower...

Initially in the first page of your thread you write:

"If you get to any one of these energy states it will run your engine with ease. So, the key is to make the Gas Processor and make it to ionize the gases that go through too a energy state as far as you can so you can get these energy levels to put in the cumbustion chamber and ignite them. I suggest to make two of them one for the incoming air and the other for the hho from what every source you choose to get the hho from. Now you can see just how Stanley Meyer ran his 1.6L VW engine on just a 7L/min production rate"

If this is true this means that for run an engine isn't needed more HHO but only an particular HHO, that I call energized, in association with Gas Processor for reach the thermal explosive energy inside to engine. AND ALSO.. If an 1600cc engine needed 7LPM generated from one WFC an 150cc engine needed ONLY 0.6LPM of HHO ENERGIZED.

You confirm me this?

Thanks in advance

[Oneminde]

Heads up everyone.

This was some interesting reading - i suggest that everyone read this.

ORMES the secret WATER FUEL CELL ingredient

[Oneminde]

I like the idea of the mesh around the bulb. Pretty clever. What do you mean by bulb "And Load"?

The word bulb is correct - i can use the word lamp if that is easyer.
The Load is my word for driver circuit... sorry for that if someone did'nt get it, my bad

Hope that covers it.

[pmazz850]

Looks good!

I like the idea of the mesh around the bulb. Pretty clever. What do you mean by bulb "And Load"?

[Oneminde]

GP

I am going to make a illustration of my GP... will post whitin some houers!

[Oneminde]

Important

@OneMinde:
That picture is what? a commercial ionizer? what is the output?

seems like they built it in a totally plastic case (duh) good idea

can you get those bulbs with a 12vdc input?

I think you should put the filter drier at the inlet so it doesnt source electrons back into the ionized air and allow stabilization to occur.

looks like this bulb will do what you desire, and since its a flourescent/mercury vapor (without the white powder coating), maybe the best way to pulse the light is to place a stationary bulb inside a rotating plastic cylinder with slots that pass by another slot so the light is pulsed at different rates by varying the speed of the moving aperature! maybe mount some moving mirrors in there too!

then you can also make the ionizer within a totally enclosed chamber so that there is no escaping UV that can burn peoples eyes out! I just might try this design as well. A small motor mounted at the end cap with a gear or rubber wheel that rotates the plastic curtain inside of the slotted stationary anode with the outside cathode having a shine on it to reflect the UV back into the center again.

This moving plastic curtain could also agitate the air and cause it to flow better inside the ionizer! like a tornado !

sounding better all the time

now im gonna have to fire up autocad and design this sucker!
opensource of course!

This is not an ionizer, this is an AIRCLEANER. This modell is called AirSteril - it neutralizes the air.
You can choose different wavelengths (bulbs) and if it should produce ozon.
But as i said, it needs to be rebuilt.

The only part i want from this unit is the bulb and driver circuit, the rest is going to be custom made!

The UVC bulb is a special modell, developed between a Swedish & Australien company (uniq). One can choose between UVA - UVB and UVC (314-400 - 280-315 - 100-280nm). Looks like 100-240nm was wrong, 100 - 280Nm is the right number. and it peaks at 185nm according to the manufacturer.
The remaining parts will be scraped.

The bulb itself cost some 68,- euros to replace and have some lifespand of 2 year's.

The gas inside the bulb should be Xenon/mercery, but that is my guess! Not surten and is not coated - it is a clear type as you can see in the image.

The GP

Now, after unmoanting the bulb and drivercurcuit we are going to need a housing for the airflow, HV field and EEC. We also need a 220VAC/12VDC converter mounted to said unit. I am going to use an Airdryer so that the incomming air has the same moisture as often as possible (air humidity), we want dry air in this unit and an airfilter and driver circuit for the HV field.
The Airdryer will be mounted in such a way that it doesent transport electrones and take notice here, that i am talking about the air comming into the GP - this is a preprocess, the airfilter is placed before the airdryer as well.

The HV field concist of a polished katode ("UV protected") and a mesh anode whit the bulb placed inside that mesh.
The EEC is placed on the outlet as usual.
...

This is as far as i have come whit the theoretical part for this GP, but you TRON are more then welcome to jump in and design a solution.

[netzerite]

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Netzerite

[TRON]

what ?

@OneMinde:
That picture is what? a commercial ionizer? what is the output?

seems like they built it in a totally plastic case (duh) good idea

can you get those bulbs with a 12vdc input?

I think you should put the filter drier at the inlet so it doesnt source electrons back into the ionized air and allow stabilization to occur.

looks like this bulb will do what you desire, and since its a flourescent/mercury vapor (without the white powder coating), maybe the best way to pulse the light is to place a stationary bulb inside a rotating plastic cylinder with slots that pass by another slot so the light is pulsed at different rates by varying the speed of the moving aperature! maybe mount some moving mirrors in there too!

then you can also make the ionizer within a totally enclosed chamber so that there is no escaping UV that can burn peoples eyes out! I just might try this design as well. A small motor mounted at the end cap with a gear or rubber wheel that rotates the plastic curtain inside of the slotted stationary anode with the outside cathode having a shine on it to reflect the UV back into the center again.

This moving plastic curtain could also agitate the air and cause it to flow better inside the ionizer! like a tornado !

sounding better all the time

now im gonna have to fire up autocad and design this sucker!
opensource of course!

[h20power]

The funeral is on the 8th so I will offline for a bit. What's sad is he died on his birthday party, though he did make it to his actrual birthday, hi died on the celebration. To make matters worse my clutch cable just broke and I had to walk a few miles in 100 plus weather to find out the funeral date.

Anyway I had to order more bifilar wire for the VIC transformers and I have only made one bobbin so far, and I still have to put the electronics together. Then on to the injector modifications and I should be set for engine trials, who knows how long this going to take me.

Thanks for the kind words everyone.


h2opower.