Stanley Meyer Explained

[bussi04]

solution for SM fig. 4 point J

Hi Bussi,

Nice PCB improvement from sm6

Eric

@tecstatic

thank you, now I can really handle KiCad thanks to your valuable tips

@all

there is an outstanding task for integration of frequency to voltage conversion as substitute for SM fig. 4. Point "J" seems to be a variable frequency source that has to be changed to linear voltage between 0V and Vbatt.

I have found LM 2907 http://www.national.com/ds/LM/LM2907.pdf and it seems to be a cheap and useful supplement for SM fig. 4. If it fits our needs it can be plugged and integrated into freedom circuit rev 0.6 via expansion port P7 (it can also be integrated to elder version rev 0.51). I´ll test it the next days.

stay tuned,

bussi04

[h20power]

Hi Bussi,

I think that just might work
Just to make sure everyone is on the same page with concern to just what engine management sensors we need. For proper engine management we will need sensors that control genaral idle function and sensors for torque sensing. These sensors control the voltage amplitude our voltage zones will have. Genaral function sensors are like throtle position, mass air flow, rpm guage voltages, and the like. Torque sensors can be found as pressure sensors on the intake manifold or in the transmission and give control to the voltage amplitude going to the voltage zone when the vehical goes up a hill or is towing something. These sensors all go to 'J' in circuit #4 and give control of our voltage zones directly to engine management sensors.

This way we all know what two types of sensors we have to find and/or add on to the system so we can control the engine rpm ranges.

Energy independence is just a few voltage zones away,

h2opower.

[bussi04]

first try EEC implementation for quickstarters

@all

The freedom circuit has an EEC interface pin P20. It must NOT be directly connected to the EEC mesh of the GP because there shall be a galvanic barrier between controller and GP high voltage area. And btw the small transistor Q3 on board of freedom circuit would immediately blow up

The electron flow shall find it´s way from the mesh via diode D2 and Power Mosfet to isolated +12V. That seems to me the most direct implementation of SM´s EEC pulsing circuity adding isolation features. Using a P-type Mosfet allows to control the Mosfet by switching gate independently from electron flow thru the mesh.

appended you find the circuit I have built for test. TC4420 and IXTK-TX40P50P work fine but HV Optocoupler CNY66 is too slow. At 40 kHz oscillation frequency the timing is no longer 180° shifted to VIC pulse. For 4 kHz it might fit one´s needs.

So I have to use the OPI 155 fast HV optocoupler but it´s very expensive. I think there is no alternative at the moment because once we know the total system behaviour we can decide if we can drop optocoupler functionality or if it´s needed .

so I think on wednesday I´ll give you feedback towards optocoupler OPI 155 timing.

Rename as usual appended pdf to zip to get access to the KiCad archive file.

greetings,
bussi04
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02-18-2010: I have integrated OPI 155 and a voltage regulator. now frequency bandwith fits SM devices needs

[h20power]

Hi Bussi and Everyone,

Yeah, Boyce also spoke of making sure all ciruits where matched for the speed requirements of the system. In his video he talks about one of his op-amps was rated at 5k Hz and was mucking the whole circuit.

There many ways we can do this but I think a better bit of understanding is needs. The EEC in a way acts like a PEM membrain found in a hydrogen fuel cell, in that it gives the electron another path to follow away from the system. This path, like the hydrogen fuel cell, produces electricty. Meyer called this electricity creation a by product of the process of utilizing water as a source of fuel. I hope this explaination helps everyone to better understand what the EEC is really doing. With that in mind what ever idea you come up with just give it a try for the most important part was understanding what is taking place with the EEC circuitry.


h2opower.

[bussi04]

SM fig. 4 substitute solved

@all

there is an outstanding task for integration of frequency to voltage conversion as substitute for SM fig. 4. Point "J" seems to be a variable frequency source that has to be changed to linear voltage between 0V and Vbatt.

I have found LM 2907 http://www.national.com/ds/LM/LM2907.pdf and it seems to be a cheap and useful supplement for SM fig. 4. If it fits our needs it can be plugged and integrated into freedom circuit rev 0.6 via expansion port P7 (it can also be integrated to elder version rev 0.51). I´ll test it the next days.

stay tuned,

bussi04

Appended you find the LM2907 frequency to voltage converter fitting our needs. these parameter values are sufficient for the frequency range 0 to 6000 rpm.

As usual rename extension pdf to zip to access the KiCad archive file.

Enjoy!

greetings,
bussi04
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[email protected]

[h20power]

Hi Bussi,

Once I get everything up and running again I too will give that circuit a try for I think it will do fine for our needs. Oh, my red line is 7400 rpm, LOL. I need to look up the engine management systems both cars employ to see which car is the easiest to convert, for now only have enough stuff to convert one car at this time.

For everyone else you need to make the gas processor for starters or you will not be able
to covert anything as with both of Stanley Meyer's designs be it the gaseous injection system or the direct water injection system the gas processor remained a part of the system. Contained in this long thread is all one needs to know inorder to start engine trails, all you have to do is build it.


h2opower.

[rosco1]

Horses for courses...

H20power,

Are you aware that people are currently trying to get Stan's buggy running?

To my way of thinking, nobody quite understands what he did, aside from yourself, thus it seems odd they never made contact and tried to get you over there for the exercise, or have they? I know I would have had you on the very first aircraft out there.

This is the message I got, via Yahoo group:

I have an associate who lives in texas going to columbus tommorrow to document the air gas processor and the water tank and contents... This comes at a pricetag of 1000$ /week , so Weáre trying to get as many good phots and vids as possible this week and next.. He will installing the injectors, hooking up electrical and other methods of reconstructing the buggy to working status... hopefully we will be lucky, so, keep your fingers crossed...artinvega s...

Personally, I'd have liked very much to have seen you involved in this, given your knowledge, and it would have also given you the opportunity to get a close up peek at any areas of question.

Regards.

[h20power]

Hey Rosco1,

Yes, I am awhere of this as I have said before my friend has sat in the buggy before and lives less than six hours away from Dyodon. I would like to take a close look at the items but for right now I can't break away from my duties as a father. But don't worry I will start running engine trails soon enough, kinda need my PC so I can draft everything up with the injector modifications I need to build. Once I get my PC up and running again I have a lot of work ahead of me.

Right now I am looking at two different types of VW fuel systems to see which one is most compatable for the coversion and will cost the least. For me it's only a matter of time as the science I uncovered seems to hold up well to all known rules of science, I just have to build it right. Since I have rebuilt both engines myself to modify them won't be a problem.

My only wish is that others would make their own gas processor so they can see what can do with their own eyes. But the old saying is true, "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink." Congrates on the Italians teams sucess, but know you won't be the last and I will not tell everyone it's time to get off of the boat once I get it up and running. People are looking for me to pull through for them, I just hope to make the world a better place for my childrens future. Only time will tell, right? Anyway it has been a long hard road and I am glad it almost over so I can get on with my life.


h2opower.

[rosco1]

Seems a shame.

Hey Rosco1,

Yes, I am awhere of this as I have said before my friend has sat in the buggy before and lives less than six hours away from Dyodon. I would like to take a close look at the items but for right now I can't break away from my duties as a father. But don't worry I will start running engine trails soon enough, kinda need my PC so I can draft everything up with the injector modifications I need to build. Once I get my PC up and running again I have a lot of work ahead of me.

Right now I am looking at two different types of VW fuel systems to see which one is most compatable for the coversion and will cost the least. For me it's only a matter of time as the science I uncovered seems to hold up well to all known rules of science, I just have to build it right. Since I have rebuilt both engines myself to modify them won't be a problem.

My only wish is that others would make their own gas processor so they can see what can do with their own eyes. But the old saying is true, "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink." Congrates on the Italians teams sucess, but know you won't be the last and I will not tell everyone it's time to get off of the boat once I get it up and running. People are looking for me to pull through for them, I just hope to make the world a better place for my childrens future. Only time will tell, right? Anyway it has been a long hard road and I am glad it almost over so I can get on with my life.


h2opower.

Hi H20power,

It's a true shame that you can't be on hand to help them in their attempt to fire up that buggy.

I expect that corrosion issues may hinder any attempts at getting it crackin' again soon, seeing as it's been quite some time since it fired a shot in anger. I would be taking all the relative electrics apart and checking/cleaning each and every contact first. I wonder if they'll take the care to do that? The circuit board interfaces spring to mind primarily.

I guess there is also the concern of them doing some sort of damage if they attempt to fire a corroded circuit, thus they may end up doing more harm than good.

For what it's worth, I don't think they'll have much luck as they probably don't understand it anywhere near as well as you do, and I do mean that sincerely.

Thank you for the congratulations, it is appreciated, we in turn hope that yourself and others are rewarded with successes also.


Regards.

[bussi04]

by moving our freedom circuit debugging conversation towards another thread http://www.energeticforum.com/80745-post2.html some "accidents" have taken place. for the first some of our posts haven´t been moved to the other thread and for the second 2 important posts have been moved though they shouldn´t.

so I bring you back these recent posts:

From what I have seen so far, I think VIC replicators should take a look and get an understanding of what Armagdn03 shows in the oldest 5 videos.

Without that knowledge the PLL IC 4046 will IMO be a tough master to conquer.

Thanks Andrew for these very instructive videos:

YouTube - tortuga0303's Channel

Energy Propagation
Ressonant rise of Parallel LC (3)
Introduction to resonance
Resonance cont
pulse

Eric

Hi Everyone,

Eric eluded to yet another use for the Gas Processor I have read that before and another gas processor is place in the system seemingly taking the place of the catalytic converter. This gas processor is made to breakdown NOx created by the HICE prior to entering our atmosphere. Meyer also talks about other ways to reduce the production of NOx in the combustion chamber saying to add in more exhaust gases to the overall fuel mixture. Now for me this is where the knowledge of water used to absorb the heat of the reaction comes in handy. Basically turning the HICE into a steam engine as the water mist will absorb the heat energy of the reaction turn to steam and aid greatly in pushing down the piston keeping the heat down so no NOx are produce in the process. Use water to solve water related problems, that is my keeping it simple.

So even Stanley Meyer knew that this process can create unwanted NOx gases and told of methods to use to prevent these unwanted NOx gases. Fond in patent 5293857 and other patents of Stanley Meyers. So if you hear someone saying the Nitrogen is a desired part of the reaction and is involved in the thermal explosive energy ask them to show you the chemistry and math of the processes involved and they will be unable to do so for Nitrogen is not apart of this reaction. Patent 4826581 also talks about what atoms are involved with the thermal explosive energy created by this process.
Hydrogen and oxygen are the reactive components of this process, everything else is just along for the ride and tends to get in the way of this reaction or as Meyer puts it, "impedes the reaction." So remember production of NOx is undesirable as it is a harmfully greenhouse gas.


h2opower.

[h20power]

Thanks Bussi,

You are right those post should have never been taken from this thread as my post goes to show what harm NOx's can do to our envirenment and gave places to find Meyers concerns about the production of NOx's also. Most people are unawhere that global diming is what's killing a lot of Forrest around the world. Meyer also spoke of this when he talked about not all of the suns rays where making it to the ground. NOx's block these important wavelenghts from doing there role in keeping harmful bactirea down. The Kaoto protocal tells of the damage these greenhouse gases pose to our world and we have to make sure this water for fuel technology follows the rules in not releasing any NOx's into our atmosphere. This technology is meant to help the world not harm it, which is why we must do our best to make sure no NOx's are created by this technology.

So to force Nitrogen to be apart of the reaction will only lead to problems with the Kaoto Protocal. So anyone that gets an engine to run ok water as a source of fuel needs to also take the engine into a smog station to make sure that no harmful NOx gases are being released into our atomosphere. Good job Bussi for pointing that out for it is of the upmost importance to all that are currently working on this water for fuel technology.

Energy Independence now just has to be built as the technology is viable,

h2opower.

[h20power]

Hi Everyone,

In going over the videos in Bussi04's post above the last video where he has the two lights hooked up to the secondary and primary show expirementally what I have been talking about in figure 6.1 in the SMTB transformer. It shows what happens when all coils are match up inductively as is said they must be. The secondary's & choke's individual bobbin spaces inductance has to match the inductance of the primary coil. In this type of transformer if the individual bobbins spaces are run at resonance you get the maximum voltage possable out of the transformer, and at the same time get the lowest power consumption demanded by the primary coil. This figure 6.1 transformer was the latest devolopements Stanley Meyer had made before his death and understanding this transformer will aid greatly in making them. It is best to put the transformer in a pot type core that more than likely will have to be made. This transformer is the smallest and most powerful of all the transformer Meyer had created for use with the water for fuel technology.

Again how to make one is already in this thread, that video will give you a better understanding of how the transformer works and a test you can easily duplecate to see if the transformer is working correctly. This transformer will have the smallest size of all of Meyers transformer and it gives the best bang for your buck. You can make the other types of transformers but the rules of inductance matching still applies.

Hope this helps people to make and understand the figure 6.1 transformer found in the SMTB.

h2opower.

[Tecstatic]

Dr.Stifflers SEC is worth a look

Hi everyone,

Having digested Andrews videos, IMHO it is worth doing some more study of Dr. Stifflers work.

http://67.76.235.52/

Dr. Ronald R. Stiffler's Documents | Scribd

Especially note the practical measurement techniques and the title of one of the documents.

What Andrew shows is the right stuff, but the resonance is partly obtained with a capacitance external to the coil.

For the coils Dr. Stiffler use, the capacitance is internal to the coil. The resonance frequency Doc then call "Spatial resonance".

I think this is an aspect of which the VIC can benefit.

We talk about resonance frequency. Talking frequencies it is also important to note the properties of frequencies.

Normally we think of frequencies as periodic signals, and to have one single frequency, it must be a periodic pure sine wave (no distortion).

But even a single square wave pulse has a frequency, or actually frequencies.

I do no consider myself the mathematical genius, I know enough to apply the math, so for the math curious member wanting to know more of the math, this can be a starting point:

Rectangle Function -- from Wolfram MathWorld

So there is a very strong relationship between the "generator" pulse frequency, the pulse width and the resonance going on in the coils.

This is what Andrew show in the pulse video.

The higher frequencies the more output.

Unfortunately we don't have the components for this, but what can be done with available components is to "get into the rhythm" of the much higher frequencies, still having the base frequency according to the water frequency.

So having the right VIC spatial resonance (will require some tuning work), the high frequency oscillations gets "refreshed" for each MOSFET pulse to the VIC primary.

I must stress I have not built a VIC, but I expect this to be the way forward according to my previous work with Dr.Stifflers SEC. Hitting the tuning sweet point increases the output from almost nothing to a nice strong output.

Do not expect to build a VIC and make everything match by coincidence, you have to design and test to make it work well.

Eric

[Farside]

What happened to your PC? Is it at the shop or are you trying to fix it yourself?

[h20power]

Hi Everyone,

My PC is in the shop now getting looked at. As far as I can tell it went down just after recieving a microsoft up-date. When I went to turn my computer off it said that some up-dates where being installed and not to shut the PC down but let the PC shut down after the up-dates where completed automatically. In the morning the PC would not boot up, not even in safe mode.

Now on the VIC transformers I have built them a can tell you exactly how they are meant to work. The figure 6.1 VIC transformer has no magic to it it is just a transformer. The individual bobbin spaces are all seperately speaking matched to the primary coils inductance. So when you make one like this you have to make just one of each of the three coils and measure the inductance making sure you note the number of wraps you made for the right inductance reading. Once you have the wind count for one bobbin space for a coil set you have it for that whole coil as a whole. Once that is done you have unwrap two of them a disguard them keeping the first one for the pic-up coil, remember there are two choke coils and one secondary coil. The core has to be in place when you take your readings and the bobbins pushed together as a finished product.

There is no magic with these transformers this figure 6.1 transformer makes it's high voltage by capacitve reactance Xc1•Xc2,...,Xc41, and if each bobbin space is at resonance the will have the highest voltage possible for voltage multiplication when the pulse terminates. That is how this figure 6.1 transformer works to create it's high voltage.

In order to do this you are going to have to very the wire sizes knowing that the thicker the wires gauge the less wraps it takes to acheive a high inductance. That also holds true for Meyers older style VIC transformers but they worked as a typical step-up transformer to produce it's high voltage, but each coil group was still matched to the pirmary coils inductance so they all hit resonance at the same targeted frequency. The figure 6.1 transformer just made the whole transformer a lot smaller than the older types. Trust me there is no magic with these transformers, the figure 6.1 transformer is just not one that is typically taught in schools due to it's run away voltage charictoristics. The modern alternator in a car if you take out the trical diode will have these run away voltage problems for it is built in the same fashion as the figure 6.1 transformer.

I hope that clears things up with concern to these VIC transformers,

h2opower.