Lynnferd Grant HHO Breakthrough

[goldenequity]

Wanted to get this up!
More to discuss later!

Very interesting audio interview with Lynnferd Grant who has now produced gas not just AT the electrodes..
but BETWEEN them with a 3" separation.... a la Stanley Meyers.... no resonance, no tubes..... a paper clip.... and a spoon!

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[jibbguy]

Great Find! A Thxgiving day dinner of food for thought

That was a fascinating interview. But some things come immediately to mind:

> He did the experiment of adding the ultrasonic transducer to the electrolyzer cell just the previous day before the interview apparently. He has not yet determined the actual composition of the bubbles he was producing. I would submit that since these things are used as Humidifiers... There is a strong chance it is water vapor not hydroxy coming out in large quantities. Perhaps the simplest way to test this is run the output through a bubbler... Then try to ignite it. If it is vapor, then likely there won't be much output out of the bubbler anyway (most of it would probably "de-vaporize" back into "regular" water in the bubbler). The key would be to see if you can get more flame out of it than usual without the transducer.

> The parts about biological cold fusion was great; and there is no doubt that biological systems can "transmute" elements in some way; or least make them appear from being undetectable by present means, to being detectable. However, tying Dark Matter in to it is very tenuous. All the stuff he cites could also be about something known as "Monoatomic" and "Diatomic" elements that do not show up under all known forms of assay test (including the most modern chromatography, however they can apparently be detected by their weight and mass). These are single or paired atoms not bonded in molecules. But who knows, the monoatomics stuff is still just "theory" also.

> This could possibly tie in with one of the most overlooked phenomena of Hydroxy imo, that of Brown's Gas having the ability to remove radioactivity from materials that are treated with the OHH flame. Towards the end there in the Quantum Physics discussion it stuck me that what he describes could be the explanation for it, or at least partial and on the right path towards it. However in the known experiments (and it has been successfully independently tested to remove over 90% of radioactivity from at least some types of radioactive materials), photoluminescence or ultrasonics had nothing to do with it.

I guess it would be simple enough for some of us out there to drop one of those "hockey puck" ultrasonic transducers from a jewelry/parts cleaner into an electrolyzer vessel and see if it affects production any. Apparently a brute-force unit would do. Of course something with variable frequency would be much better . Maybe adapting a PWM somehow to drive an U-S transducer would be best (mimicking the "tuning fork" aspect of "ringing" electrode tubes, like some people claim? Dunno). I think those puck thingies use tuned crystals so they wouldn't work with varied F... But his idea of a tweeter speaker might work.

A positive result would certainly be worth it!!

> One other thing was, he was claiming that Meyer was using voltages in the "2,000 V" range, This is news to me. Anyone else ever hear that? The peaks off of Meyer's "tuned" transformer/choke coil/diode output circuit could be pretty high (like maybe up to 700 V pk possible by my understanding), but "2,000" is awfully high. Meyer once stated it was in the "200 to 350 V range" but peak spikes could measure much higher i would imagine depending on the frequency response of your measuring equipment. A very fast peak spike of 2,000V could be possible of course but as a "RMS" component; it would be negligible. I think the Meyer circuit would likely have an F response that would filter off spikes that high anyway.

> The Joesph Papp and Blacklight stuff was interesting too.... Tying this all into plasma-induced energy would seem to be vaguely on the right track somehow, or at least the same train station

Several ultrasonics-based theories on producing hydroxy have abounded lately. I have studied them and was not yet a believer, but i would love to be proved wrong if we can get RESULTS!!

[Aaron]

bubbles between the plates

George Wieseman has shown for years in a Brown's gas cell that the bubbles are made BETWEEN the plates and NOT AT the plates.

[goldenequity]

bubbles

Sorry... I guess I didn't quite convey what it is he has claimed...
here's the exact expression (from the audio)....

"on video last night I showed that you have the cloud of bubbles forming between the electrodes, and one of the electrodes in the cup was nothing more than a 1" paperclip unfolded, a one inch length, and that's a very short piece of wire, and the other electrode in the 3" in diameter cup was a spoon, and when the ultrasonics was turned on, it's feeble shaking caused
"bubbles to form throughout the volume of water"

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More dialog from the audio...

More from the Lynnferd Grant interview:

"You do that to the Meyer's fuel cell.... which is nothing more than having a high voltage potential across it, which I put there by putting the electrodes across the capacitor in a standard microwave, the magnatron's capacitor, which is having rather raw unfiltered DC, but nonetheless it is having high voltage DC about 2000 volts, in the range of what Meyer's would be talking about for making his cell work.

I am simply showing in this video... and anybody can do this extremely simply, by taking those two wires from across the capacitor in the microwave... very carefully, cause it's deadly voltage,... across the Meyer water fuel cell...which in its crudest form is a cup of distilled water.... and you have electrodes in there of some kind... he uses "pipes" ...but they're just surface electrodes.. and I showed in the video that you can use a paper clip for one electrode and a spoon for the other.... 3 inches across the large cup...and when you turn on the high voltage... raw AC ripple filtered, unfiltered DC that it does NOT...without the ultrasonic cavitation effect of ultrasonic cleaning...does not do anything... other than suggest a few feeble bubbles on the electrodes.... but when you turn on the ultrasonics, it causes the collapsing bubbles between the electrodes...which then go into a plasma and at that state ... James... and audience.. at that state the little "speck" of plasma behaves like an "inter" electrode.

At that billionth of a second.... that poor little spot...is becoming an electrode in an electrolysis condition... the voltage between the electrodes is divided in a voltage divider so that you have approximately 1.5 volts in the area of that little plasma spot....doing microscopic electrolysis... across that microscopic electrode which exists in an unfathomably small moment of time... a billionth of a second...BUT... you DO have electrolysis.

The phenomenon of ultrasonic cavitation is the bubble then immediately explodes.. because if you think a minute... this cycling process by going between almost a vacuum and a plasma.... if you study sonoluminescence... and I would suggest the broader issue of sonoplasma.... it is oscillating... so that little tiny dot of plasma... after it forms electrolysis on its surface... hydrogen on one side of the potential voltage gradient... and the oxygen on the other, it is immediately exploding... and therefore the hydrogen and oxygen do not get a chance to ... in the conventional sense.. to combine."

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more

More from the audio

"Of course that's what Stanley Meyers was doing and you look at his videos on Youtube
and on an on.... and that people that have reproduced that effect have found it to be
fleeting.... and Meyers..Stanley Meyers talks about in his patent and his many discussions
and presentations and lectures before he had an untimely death ten years ago.. that it
was the resonant frequency of water.

And people are trying to find that.... and I am saying that today, as this simple explanation
I am giving that where you put the voltage..DC voltage gradient across distilled water and
introduce ultrasonic shaking where the ultrasonic waves are causing... like in bubble scrubbing
ultrasonic cleaners the bubbles exploding from a plasma state into a much larger bubble because
of the momentum of water.... and then if you read up on sonoluminesence.... the bubble is 50 (fifty)
times larger than it would be in its normal state.... and its nearly a vacuum at that point and
then the pressure wave comes through the water to greet this tiny little bubble during the
ultrasonic treatment of water... and then this bubble rapidly collapses... because after all its a
virtual vacuum at that stage... and then the momentum of the water will continue to push it
into a tiny little focal point... if the bubble is round.... which means it has to be small and
unaffected by gravity.

So this is what I was able to demonstrate by the introduction of ultrasonics to a cup of water
with the electrodes and the voltage gradient on it ... and it immediately formed the bubbles...
and increasingly....it was not a large set of bubbles... but it was mimicking Meyers fine bubbles..
something akin to the fine fizzy effect of carbonation.

And the little bubbles show us that we are after a NOT ACCIDENTAL RESONANCE of water and the
Meyers effect to get a massive amount of hydrogen from water.... but rather an ultrasonic.. which is
to inject to that frequency instead of accidently have your electrical pulses accidently shape
something into a transducer."

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Final excerpt

Final Audio Exerpt

"and that was adaquate... 5 watts of ultrasound... shaking that... formed a cloud of gasses
which I presume were hydrogen and oxygen like Meyers was making because I had a similar
2000 volt DC gradient ... which he didn't have DC... he had pulsing DC because he felt that
he had to synchronize the pulses with ... I feel... the cavitation or the plasma pulses of the
smashed little bubble.... and he did not know that.....

I think he may have suffered from.... like all of us who are trying to get something done...you
don't have time to read the literature..and I forgive him for that.. we need to get things done,
we also need to study things.. and so there's a lot of people, hard working, that don't get the
chance to read the literature... but he may not have appreciated sonoluminescence.. which is
a relatively recent thing.. and some of this research came out about the time he died ... about
10 years ago... so he may not have understood the significance of this...

But we should not... we have no excuse! look at this! Sonoluminescence is examples of sonoplasma
state which is highly conductive... and a quick comment here.... you might think of a colloid..which
is a tiny little metal particle... which can be suspended by Brownian movement in a liquid as being
like an inter electrode.... the difference is, yes there is hydrogen and oxygen forming on this tiny
little speck of a colloid.. metal colloid... but notice... it is not immediately vaporizing as the plasma
bubble is.. it is staying there long enough that it will simply spin... the hydrogen on one side of the
inter electrode .. this microscopic little nano particle of a colloid.. it will immediately turn and act
like a water fuel cell in the classical, old fashion, scientific meaning of a "fuel cell".... and when you
put hydrogen and oxygen in a fuel cell... you have a battery.... that's what the standard hydrogen
fuel cell has meant.

Well this tiny little particle simply spins around and becomes a battery, in effect, and shunts out
the electrical field and behaves like an ion in your (water) bath... this is very common for people
like me who make colloidal silver... you have silver electrodes to form electrolysis... and the tiny little
pieces of silver are shocked apart by erosion of the electrodes due to electron cluster.. you read up
on that.. yes electrons cluster... they form minute craters... you look at it under a microscope and
they look like a meteor hitting the electrode... and they splatter out molten metal.. and that is the
source of your silver colloid... or copper colloid... or platinum colloid... or any other colloid... but
platinum apparently absorbs the splatter... and that's why you have platinum spark plugs.

If you're following me.... these tiny little specks are very common... in any electrolysis cell... it should
be acting as an inter electrode ... and forming your hydrogen on one side of the tiny little metal and
oxygen on the other."

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Replications

I want to also post a SERIOUS warning to all readers.
This is DANGEROUS s#it we are talking about here.
It can easily kill you with no apologies.... 2000 V from
a capacitor on the GRID will have NO MERCY.
If you don't fully understand and have EXPERIENCE....
let someone else explore this concept and nail down a
much safer way of achieving the effect.

Be patient and let this thing find it's own way in the
community of expertise that abounds on this forum.

Having said that.... I look forward hearing some results (good or bad)
back to this thread on any attempts at replicating this claim.
Be careful out there.
Randy

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water disassociation

Luc noted that the common frequency found on most of the Ebay jewelery cleaners was 42,000 hz and that this was very close to the frequencies reported by those investigating the experiments by John Keely.
Doctor X Water Dissociation

In Keely's experiments with water dissocation in the late 1800's, on many occasions he had explosions that burst iron tubes and in one case blew out the side of his lab. He wound up in the hospital with broken ribs and major bruises.

The iron pipes had a needle size hole through 1" and 2" thick iron, which were burst like balloons. Measurements of the force produced from water dissociation based on his experiments quoted "3 drops of water, instantaneously dissociated (in a spherical chamber) to produce 29,000 pounds per square inch".

A recent (1965) possible verification of the frequency Keely used to dissociate water into etheric force was related to me by a scientist when we were discussing certain aspects of free energy. He wishes to remain anonymous for obvious reasons, but his name is on file. I have no other verification of this experiment, however I believe it merits telling.

The scientist, I shall call him Dr. X, was doing experiments with ultrasonic sound in a column of water. The object of the experiments was to devise a means of separating various densities of materials by injecting them into a column of water which was subjected to an ultrasonic standing wave vibration. The experimental setup is sketched in Figure 3-3 (for BBS considerations a description follows).

A Barium Titanate ultrasonic transducer was fixed to the bottom of a quartz tube which was closed at the bottom and open at the top. Pure water was poured into the tube and the water column was "tuned" so that a standing wave was produced at 40,000 CPS (cycles per second). The transducer was powered by a 700 Watt power amplifier which was driven by an ultrasonic frequency generator.

Because of the large amount of power put into the column of water a certain amount of evaporation took place at a constant rate when the transducer was energized. Therefore, to maintain a standing wave in the water column a feedback device caused the frequency to be raised as the water evaporated and the temperature changed.

As a test, Dr. X decided to run through the experiment with only water in the tube to insure that a standing wave was maintained as the water evaporated and the frequency rose higher and higher. When the experiment was started everything worked beautifully.

Dr. X took periodic readings of his instrumentation and was assured that the standing wave was being maintained. Suddenly, with no warning whatever the water disappeared from the open quartz tube. He looked up thinking to see the water splashed on the ceiling when to his amazement a clean hole went right through the ceiling. The hole was the same size as the inside of the quartz tube.

Further investigation showed the hole continued on through the roof also! Dr. X checked his notebook and found the last frequency entry to be 41,300 CPS. It was shortly after this that the water disappeared.

Because of the time interval between the last reading and the disappearing water, the frequency sent to the transducer was higher than the last reading and Dr. X said it could well have been very close to 42,800 CPS, the Keely dissociation frequency. (11)

This obviously dangerous event caused Dr. X to dismantle the equipment and try some other approach to his problem. This experiment points the way to the use of our modern technology in conjunction with Keely's laws of dissociation to change matter into energy without the use of radioactive materials or extremely expensive atomic accelerators.

[goldenequity]

Update from a Yahoo member

Update from a Yahoo member

I have seen the video that was taken to show the results of the spoon test.
First they used distilled water in a plastic cup.
The electrodes were one spoon and a paperclip.
These two electrodes were hooked up to the capacitor in a microwave oven to supply DC power to the electrodes.
Then the cup of water was placed in a utrasonic jewelry cleaner with water in it.

Power from the microwave was turned on WITHOUT the ultrasonic cleaner on.
Nothing happened.
Then the ultrasonic cleaner was turn on it's low setting.
Still nothing happened.

Then the cleaner was turned on high,and this is when you see the gasses forming.
The gasses don't come off of the electrodes,they come straight from the water between them.
The water starts to cloud up from the top down.

So yes they have stumbled upon a new way of making gasses.
You will just have to wait for them to release the video once they put in their diclaimers.
I have the raw version,and I won't be putting it out.
Be patient,it will be here very soon.
It is a very interesting test,that I will be trying myself later this week when my ultrasonic cleaner arrives.

[Mark]

SWEET! I can't wait to see it, and I look forward to your test results. Good luck and don't blow yourself up! I had an explosion last week in my office with a rotor assembly coming apart. It scared the crap out of me. It broke a Dale Jr mirror, broke a piece out of the back of my chair, blew the circuits apart and sent magnets flying all over the room.

[Gre]

Was there a base test done, with the ultrasonic clean on, and the HV off?

[TeslaandEdison]

I am the one that did the video with my friend Lynnferd

Hello guys of this energy group.

My name is Thomas Campbell figured out how I did the distilled water experiment on ACCIDENT that got the results that I have totally figured out which will be added to all chemistry books all over the world !!! Oh by the way my friend last name is not Grant but Keeran and the reason for this is because James Robey of Kentucky water fuel museum misspelled his last name and Mr. Robey thought Lynnferd said to him it was Grant and the reason is this too is that we called Mr. Robey real early in the morning to do the interview I believe so my friend in the video real name is Lynnferd Keeran and his email address if you wish to contact him is: [email protected] or you can contact him by phone at: 309-825-4369

PS: If any one wants to talk to me about how and what I got that they can contact me by phone at: 309-660-9875 ask for me Thomas

I will put my real picture of me in my profile so you guys will know its me in the video. I can not talk more about how I made history so please dont ask me to what I figured out. I am sorry that I can not talk about this

[Aaron]

@Thomas Campbell

Hello guys of this energy group.

My name is Thomas Campbell figured out how I did the distilled water experiment on ACCIDENT that got the results that I have totally figured out which will be added to all chemistry books all over the world !!! Oh by the way my friend last name is not Grant but Keeran and the reason for this is because James Robey of Kentucky water fuel museum misspelled his last name and Mr. Robey thought Lynnferd said to him it was Grant and the reason is this too is that we called Mr. Robey real early in the morning to do the interview I believe so my friend in the video real name is Lynnferd Keeran and his email address if you wish to contact him is: [email protected] or you can contact him by phone at: 309-825-4369

PS: If any one wants to talk to me about how and what I got that they can contact me by phone at: 309-660-9875 ask for me Thomas

I will put my real picture of me in my profile so you guys will know its me in the video. I can not talk more about how I made history so please dont ask me to what I figured out. I am sorry that I can not talk about this

Thomas, just to clarify, what can we learn by talking to you on the phone if you're not able to talk about this? Feel free to send me a private message.

[kcarring]

@Thomas

As Aaron noted earlier in the thread, George Wiseman has noted and claimed that Brown's Gas (which he and Yule Brown, and some others) distinguish from merely "separated hydrogen and water" form in the middle of the electrodes, however:

This is not to say that the normal product is not also produced at the electrodes, rather; some of the "ideal" product is formed in the middle.

In your experient, is "all of the gas" that is produced, not formed at the electrodes, but in the middle?

if so, that is indeed very strange.

Thanks