Water Sparkplug

[gmeast]

paper

paper

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris31 View Post
@greg/mike/jetijs and other experimenters

Just wondering...have you tried placing a small piece of paper in between the plug gap? would it set the paper on fire after let say 1-5 sparks?

I think this will tell us if the sparks is hot or cold.
Hi Chris31,


Reply:
I did the test and the paper mass is too great for an ignition but I did get a burn speck on the paper. I'll try and photograph it and post.

Greg

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Hi all,

Here are some pics of the paper burn specks.

The circuit is VexUs using 3uF CDI cap, a 22uF storage cap, homemade two transistor oscillator / inverter with voltage doubler (diode - cap ladder).

Greg





..... then I put the paper back and ran it at high speed for a couple of seconds ....

[lapperl]

Bill's Nexus Circuit Vehicle Install

I have installed the Nexus circuit in my vehicle and have posted a video.

YouTube - Nexus in vehicle_1.AVI

I do not have the inverter or isolation transformer installed in the vehicle yet on the video, but I have completed that since then and have driven it on the road.

In the video, you can see the an amp gauge, I had my 5 amp gauge hooked up and it was pulling around 4 at idle. When I revved the engine up, it would peg the gauge so I installed the cheap Harbor Freight amp gauge which is not as accurate but gives you an idea. I do not believe that it is getting above 7 amps or it would have blown the buss fuses I had hooked up to the inverter input.

I drove the vehicle for a little over an hour last night and almost an hour (33 miles) to work this morning with no major issues. The inverter, diodes, and resistor coil did not get hot, only the isolation transformer got warm to the touch. I would believe that this is normal operation.

The only issue that I could see is that from a dead stop, if I attempt a fast acceleration (half throttle or more) the engine will bog like it is missing. Just like if the spark plug wires were bad. Although this issue is present now whether the inverter is on or off. So I expect that there is some cross talk going on with the wiring that I installed, because it never has done this before. Either that or my spark gap is too large, but I doubt this because I only increased it by 10 thousands and once I am rolling, I do not see this problem. I can accelerate full throttle causing the transmission to down shift into passing gear without any hiccups. It only happens from a dead stop when I apply 1/2 throttle or more. I will try to re-route the wires some and see if this helps. If not, then I am gong to add Bill's original 60 diode bank before the 15 diodes I have going to each plug and see if this solves to problem.

But besides that, it runs very smooth at idle and appears to accelerate well if I do not over do the throttle.

More to come.

LapperL

[gmeast]

paper

@greg/mike/jetijs and other experimenters

Just wondering...have you tried placing a small piece of paper in between the plug gap? would it set the paper on fire after let say 1-5 sparks?

I think this will tell us if the sparks is hot or cold.

Hi Chris31,

I did the test and the paper mass is too great for an ignition but I did get a burn speck on the paper. I'll try and photograph it and post.

Greg

[ashtweth]

Rev great job!! Looks like yours went better then ours, it seems like for 30 minutes the light was okay with the heat, we used resistors so not a good idea

We could spare 10 amps @ 12 volts, or 0.5 at 240 volts as we only needed 20 amps for the booster, so 30 amps is nice and low until will strain the alternator IMO , we are using a 4 cylinder car.

That current limiter needs to goto a booster some how
Well since seeing that we will try it now with the light and booster, hopefully no BOOM
Thanks for giving us confidence man, ill try and run this every day with the booster for all and see if there is any where, looks like we got a free light

[revizal]

Plasma Booster driving test

All,

YouTube - Water Spark Plug-Test Driving

I've completed a driving test on my Nissan Terrano with our last plasma booster ignition. I drove on it for about 30 minutes. I used 600 watt UPS and 100 watt bulb as Amp restriction just like before. It seems no problem. I mean, no heat on UPS, no melting component, and no distortion on car audio.

Before it I've test the all component on board without input power source (= no plasma, but the circuit connected on the original car ignition system) to see what problem I got for 7 days driving on the circuit as the result of engine heat compartment. And I drove the SUV for 600 km to see the effect of shocking effect and heat effect on long driving. I have no problem on it. The circuit still OK. So I began to test the plasma booster with power source (plasma ON) on it. And as you see, it still OK.

But I could not test the fuel consumption yet, caused of the large capacity of my fuel tank (80 liters). I think I will test the consumption on my 2K watt gasoline genset with vary condition (introduting plasma booster on GEET system).

Revizal.

[turbotrana]

What is the main difference between Bills (skyhero) circuit and the circuit that has been created up to now on this thread.

Bill seemed to have a reliable working circuit and this one seems to have issues with the inverter power draw.

Whilst I guess you guys are aiming to get the best possible spark for the water sparkplugs, for the ICE, the spark (plasma) output from Bills circuit MAY already be way past the point of diminishing returns in improving how the engine runs.

[Ansis Freimanis]

My experiments with Pulsed DC

YouTube - Pulsed 14V DC to 220V AC.AVI
It is link to short video. I am experimenting with 14V to 220V converters. And I am "simplicity" lover. I dont like BIG no- effective circuits. My sheme is simple and good. And if You wont You may regulate output from 0 Volts to 220 Volts.

[Chris31]

@greg/mike/jetijs and other experimenters

Just wondering...have you tried placing a small piece of paper in between the plug gap? would it set the paper on fire after let say 1-5 sparks?

I think this will tell us if the sparks is hot or cold.

[ashtweth]

Guys at this stage it looks like the circuit we got working is good to prove a principle, but still too much heat and amp draw for us.

We tried the jacabs ladder test and inserted diodes in series with the input to get the wattage down so it only say 12 volt instead of 13.8 volts.
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Still got a 7 amps draw and resistors (300ohms) got hotish after a few minutes of operation. Have made some footage of it being connected and disconnected increasing the RPM's with the booster attached. Will be up soon.

In conclusion 204 volts form the wall seems good to idle and light a mbulv but if you do what we did and our inverter sucks up 200mA - we drew 9-10 amps Dc at 12 volts from the battery using the 240 volt 50 hertz inverter and hot hot after a few minutes.

Be nice if we could put that into the booster some how



Ash

[ashtweth]

Rev's circuit

Hi Greg,

Here is Rev's circuit, it is also in the groups PDF
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Updated with all the groups latest results

http://www.panaceauniversity.org/Water%20Spark%20Plug.pdf

[ashtweth]

Guys, we used this inverter set up in place of the UPs, tried it on 240V 50 hertz, it drew almost 10amps.

In this inverter box we have a 300ohm resistor in place of the light bulb.
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We changed the inverter to 120 volt 60 hertz was slightly less draw, now at about 8 amps peak.

Ideas we have are to put in some diodes so it wont see 13.8 volt and only 12 volt to get the wattage down. Unless there is any thing you want us to try .

[lapperl]

OK, looks like we may have to shield the kick wires, I had the inverter sitting on them where they cross the fan shroud, also on top of the main feed wire from the battery to fuse block (didn't think about it). It let out some pretty blue/gray smoke when I flipped it on with the engine running. You know me.......I like to fry stuff! I took the cover off the inverter, the mosfets are smoked, crispy critters. I already have a plan for shielding, I guess I'll be working on that Monday. Later.............................Mike

Jstadwater,

I think the problem you had was that the inverter case was grounding to the chassis when you had it sitting on the core support. I don't think that it was the kick wires. In that last picture that you posted, it looks like the inverter case was touching metal on the vehicle chassis. This will definetly cause an issue.

Can you confirm that is was touching metal?

LapperL

[gmeast]

Revizal's circuit

With all the great talented collective collaboration here it is not a
surprise that we have a working unit already on the road.

We did it, this one is for Jetijs et ALL. We have Revizals circuit
running with the WFA booster, and will do a 2 week trial and show the
wear on the plugs.Thanks Rev!! for the simplicity circuit and
confidence) We are adding it to ALL the groups research in a new
supportive video with a themed script about open source engineering,
neglected plasma research and a suppressed plug shown to us!plus more.

Mainly a homage to all you guys doing such great work, here are some
snaps guys, video and report coming. This circuit ran the car, like a
brand new one, it stars up like Gregs VW and PURRRRRRZZZ
Might be a bit too much power with the hydroxy

Screen shots from the Video
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Spark (sunlight does not do spark justice)

ImageShack - Hosting :: panaceaspark002cm9.jpg
Boost in the back round with inverter and spark box
Will see better and more in the video

MPG and plug wear report coming

Ash

Hi Ash,

Could you please post Revizal's circuit? I'll look for it but assistance would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Greg

[ashtweth]

Water spark plug is working with the booster

With all the great talented collective collaboration here it is not a
surprise that we have a working unit already on the road.

We did it, this one is for Jetijs et ALL. We have Revizals circuit
running with the WFA booster, and will do a 2 week trial and show the
wear on the plugs.Thanks Rev!! for the simplicity circuit and
confidence) We are adding it to ALL the groups research in a new
supportive video with a themed script about open source engineering,
neglected plasma research and a suppressed plug shown to us!plus more.

Mainly a homage to all you guys doing such great work, here are some
snaps guys, video and report coming. This circuit ran the car, like a
brand new one, it stars up like Gregs VW and PURRRRRRZZZ
Might be a bit too much power with the hydroxy

Screen shots from the Video
ImageShack - Hosting :: panaceasparkft7.jpg
Spark (sunlight does not do spark justice)

ImageShack - Hosting :: panaceaspark002cm9.jpg
Boost in the back round with inverter and spark box
Will see better and more in the video

MPG and plug wear report coming

Ash

[jstadwater]

OK, looks like we may have to shield the kick wires, I had the inverter sitting on them where they cross the fan shroud, also on top of the main feed wire from the battery to fuse block (didn't think about it). It let out some pretty blue/gray smoke when I flipped it on with the engine running. You know me.......I like to fry stuff! I took the cover off the inverter, the mosfets are smoked, crispy critters. I already have a plan for shielding, I guess I'll be working on that Monday. Later.............................Mike