All about electrolysers, HHO, joecells ect. :)

[kumaran]

Very nice

Hi Jetijs,

Sorry for my poor English. Your series cell electrolyser looks awesome . You just made the electrolyser which I have in my mind for very long time. The only difference is you used wire bridge to joint plates. KOH corrodes copper wires and contaminate the electrolyte which later reduce the electrolyser efficiency. Use wider stainless steel strips for plate bridging.

To increase amps with lower voltage, there are few ways :
1) Use higher strength KOH.
2) Or, use higher voltage
3) Or, make the plate gap closer to 3mm (difficult with your design).

Can I know your cell voltage? Is it 12V or more? I use car alternator to power my 6 series cell which can pull about 21A at 13.5V(across cell) to output 1.89LPM of hydroxy. The electrolyte strength is 5% KOH and 95% RO water. The alternator puts out above 16V without load. Your electrolyser should produce more since you have larger plate area.

To improve your system further, I would suggest to place fish tank stone bubbler to break big bubbles into smaller bubbles and to stablize gas flow for your torch. Bronze wool will turn into black (corrodes) because of KOH mist after bubbler over period of time. Use SS fine wool or use double bubbler. First bubbler as scrubber and second bubbler for safety.

Just curious, can you show me how you made your flashback arrestor? It looks simple.

[Jetijs]

kumaran,
I don't know what the concentration of my electrolyte is right now, but it is high. I am running my electrolyzer at 30V and it draws 20A at this voltage. The "sweet spot" is between 25V-28V, changing voltage in that range allows me to adjust amperage from 10A to 20A (that is the max. that my power supply can put out). If I set the voltage to 12V, I can get only about 300mA current draw. But I think, that If I use the neutral plates as additional positive and negative, I will get the same amperage (if not more) at only 12V and the same amount of gas. This is half the power consumption for the same results. Also there wont be any heat, because now, if I run the unit for a half an hour non stop, the electrolyte heats up, but not very much, nevertheless this is lost power.
My brass wire end connections are getting dark, that means I will have to think of a different plate connectors, just like you said.

About my flashback arrestor, there is really nothing much to say. I just took a simple plastic tube, made a thread on each side so that I can screw in the brass fittings. Then I just stuffed the bronze wool inside the tube and screwed in the end fittings - that is all

[kumaran]

I don't know what the concentration of my electrolyte is right now, but it is high. I am running my electrolyzer at 30V and it draws 20A at this voltage. The "sweet spot" is between 25V-28V, changing voltage in that range allows me to adjust amperage from 10A to 20A (that is the max. that my power supply can put out). If I set the voltage to 12V, I can get only about 300mA current draw. But I think, that If I use the neutral plates as additional positive and negative, I will get the same amperage (if not more) at only 12V and the same amount of gas. This is half the power consumption for the same results. Also there wont be any heat, because now, if I run the unit for a half an hour non stop, the electrolyte heats up, but not very much, nevertheless this is lost power.

In order to get higher amps, just connect nearest two plates to positive and negative in all cells. Now, you are using far plates for positive and negative connection while neutral plates in between does nothing. From picture I see you use total of 5 plates per cell so the active plate gap is 30mm to 35mm. That is why the amperage was too low for 12V.

I do believe neutral plate does help to produce a bit more gas, but we just want to get higher amps with less voltage (12V). By connecting nearest two plates to pos and neg, the active plate gap becomes 5mm (mine 6mm gap) to allow more amperage at low voltage. Later if everything goes well, you may use neutral plates to be active plates by connecting in parallel for same polarity.

My brass wire end connections are getting dark, that means I will have to think of a different plate connectors, just like you said.

Use wider stainless steel plates as connector. KOH and NaOH are highly corrosive chemical for most of materials. The cheapest material which could withstand these chemicals is stainless steel. Do not drink bubblers water as been discussed in previous post. Bubblers water contaminated with KOH vapors from electrolyser.

About my flashback arrestor, there is really nothing much to say. I just took a simple plastic tube, made a thread on each side so that I can screw in the brass fittings. Then I just stuffed the bronze wool inside the tube and screwed in the end fittings - that is all

Hmmm... interesting. I'm just worried since hydroxy is in gas formation. I wonder how could bronze wool prevents the flashback. I'm a bit nervous to try new flashback arrestor after few explosion but I will try this simple device. Check this link

[bourne]

Hello everyone,
greetings from my first post in this forum I hope it finds you all well.
I have been lurking in amongst all the great threads, reading and learning for a while now, so firstly I would like to say thank you for providing such a wonderful atmosphere with so much knowledge and brilliance.
I am only a beginner, but have amassed a lot of reading time which sort of brings me to my point. (please bare with me)
I am re-reading 'The Field' by Lynne McTaggart, which I am sure some of you are aware of.
Today I found a very interesting paragraph. (chapter 10 'The healing field', page 185, 2nd paragraph)

In later experiments, Grad (Dr Bernard Grad of McGill University Montreal) chemically analysed the water by infrared spectroscopy and discovered that the water treated by the healer had minor shifts in its molecular structure and decreased hydrogen bonding between the molecules, similar to what happens when water is exposed to magnets. A number of other scientists confirmed Grad's findings.

"decreased hydrogen bonding" and "similar to what happens when water is exposed to magnets" got me thinking

I admit I do not have a WFC to experiment with. I have built the 'Dave Lawton pulsing circuit' but have yet to acquire any SSteel tubes. I like to let my materials come to me (very easy to do in a 'throw away society').
Maybe this will hurry things up!

I read the chapter at lunchtime and then spent most of the afternoon thinking of different magnet configurations for different tube and flat-plate set-ups I have seen.
But one 'silly' idea kept jumping into my head. With all the discussion recently of chokes and bi-filar chokes with different wiring configurations and their effects in mind, what would happen if the chokes were incorporated into the tubes of the WFC, in the water? Would the electromagnet properties of the coils have an effect on the hydrogen bonds? Coils wound on the tubes, coils between the tubes even flat pancake coils between the flat-plate set-ups?

Is this something that has been explored? I don't remember seeing or reading about it if it has.

Keep up the good work everybody!

[Aaron]

magnetic fields on plates or tubes

Hi Bourne, !

Pulsed magnetic fields directly on the tubes/plates where the gas rises will either increase or decrease the burn rate.

There are ideas about orthohydrogen and parahydrogen but I don't necessarily believe in those theories but there seems to be some valid info on slowing or increasing burn rate depending on field strength of the coils and frequency combinations.

Creating the water gas.... hho or whatever it really is, which I don't think nobody knows the real answer... into gas and then when it turns back to water, the bonding angle is changed compared to what it was before it was turned into gas and healing properties and other properties were attributed to this change in its energetic state...such as drinking the water, adding it to plants, etc...

[Jetijs]

Hello everyone.
I made two videos with some demonstrations of what the HHO od Browns gas can do.
You can see that the flame is not hot at all, I can wave my hand through the flame and it feels only warm (don't try this with an oxyacetylene gas! ) . The first item is a thin iron hair clip. Then we are cutting a piece of silicon steel lamination. Then we melt the tip of a 4mm diameter stainless steel rod. The tip is melting, but I can safely hold the other end in my hand and it is only slightly warm. Then we are vaporizing a tungsten rod, you can see that there are lots of fumes. Then again a 1mm thick piece of steel. Then I am demonstrating how the flame condenses into water again. Then we are melting the surface of a ceramic plate (around 10k degrees Celsius). And at last we are melting a small piece of glass
The other video is just some messing around with an aluminum energy drink can.
Lots of fun. Hope you will enjoy it.

YouTube - HHO gas testing
YouTube - HHO gas testing 2

Any other stuff you want me to burn/melt?
Thanks,
Jetijs

[sykavy]

Hello everyone.
I made two videos with some demonstrations of what the HHO od Browns gas can do.
You can see that the flame is not hot at all, I can wave my hand through the flame and it feels only warm (don't try this with an oxyacetylene gas! ) . The first item is a thin iron hair clip. Then we are cutting a piece of silicon steel lamination. Then we melt the tip of a 4mm diameter stainless steel rod. The tip is melting, but I can safely hold the other end in my hand and it is only slightly warm. Then we are vaporizing a tungsten rod, you can see that there are lots of fumes. Then again a 1mm thick piece of steel. Then I am demonstrating how the flame condenses into water again. Then we are melting the surface of a ceramic plate (around 10k degrees Celsius). And at last we are melting a small piece of glass
The other video is just some messing around with an aluminum energy drink can.
Lots of fun. Hope you will enjoy it.

YouTube - HHO gas testing
YouTube - HHO gas testing 2

Any other stuff you want me to burn/melt?
Thanks,
Jetijs

V

Very nice Jetijs!

I once read that one of the Brown gas tourches changed radioactive matterial in to non radioactive matterial.

I would NOT want you to try though!!

Has anyone heard this too?

[Jetijs]

Thanks sykavy,
I heard this from Aaron, but unfortunately I do not have access to a Geiger counter and any radioactive products to test this. But so far I have confirmed everything they say about the properties of this HHO flame, that I could test. And I have no reason to believe that all the other things they say are wrong. This is without doubt a technology that everyone need to have in their home. There is SO much possible uses for this gas. Please read the eventual uses of this gas here:
Eagle-Research Brown's Gas Fabulous Uses
This simple technology is simply astonishing

Here is a video about reducing radioactivity with this flame:
YouTube - Browns Gas - Reduction of Radioactivity


thank you,
Jetijs

[sykavy]

Thanks sykavy,
I heard this from Aaron, but unfortunately I do not have access to a Geiger counter and any radioactive products to test this. But so far I have confirmed everything they say about the properties of this HHO flame, that I could test. And I have no reason to believe that all the other things they say are wrong. This is without doubt a technology that everyone need to have in their home. There is SO much possible uses for this gas. Please read the eventual uses of this gas here:
Eagle-Research Brown's Gas Fabulous Uses
This simple technology is simply astonishing

Here is a video about reducing radioactivity with this flame:
YouTube - Browns Gas - Reduction of Radioactivity


thank you,
Jetijs

Thanks that was aweird video. It looked like it didn't work but hey said it did. Brown gas is definitly unique so I'll give theme the benifit of the doubt.

BTW I saw you cuting stuf that looked like your attraction motor

Have you given up on it? You were the one who was making the most progress

Anyway you are very productive!!

[Jetijs]

Dont worry, the attraction motor is still my project number one. I just have many of these silicon steel spare parts left, that I can use for various experiments. Its just that some parts of my attraction motor is being made now by professionals and it takes a long time. So I am experimenting on other stuff for now
Thanks,
Jetijs

[Aaron]

boiling water?

Have you found a simple way to boil water with the flame?

Maybe heating some kind of metal pan with water in it? Maybe a ceramic cup with water? If the flame gets the materials up to their own melting point on contact, maybe a way to shortcut the boiling process by having that heat conduct to the water?

Great vids by the way!! And YES..VERY BRIGHT!

[CaptainScat]

sirHOAX did some water boiling a few months back, he only posted a couple vids
YouTube - Home Heating Experiments with HHO Hydrogen MiniTorch

[Jetijs]

Aaron, I have tried only one way how to heat water, I submersed a brick under water so that a thin film of water covers its surface, then I tried to heat the brick through this water film. But my torch does not have enough pressure to do this properly.
Also an interesting thing is happening the last days. As my electrolyzer has the neutral plates exactly as in joecells, the water is starting to create foam when the power is applied. Also the amp draw drops from 20A to about 16A in first minutes and then it goes up to 20A again. In joecell terminology this foam indicates that the cell has reached level 2 where the orgone/aether is seeded in the water. I have not seen any other electrolyzers that create foam. I used distilled water and some KOH as electrolyte and there is nothing in this mix, that could create foam.

Here is a picture:

[Aaron]

foam

How fast does the foam happen after turning it on? In Daniel Dingel's cell, it looks like the water gas is kind of foamy too and happens very quick.

I haven't spent much time looking at Joe Cell technology because there is just so many things to spend time on, but do Joe Cells use naoh or koh?

[Jetijs]

Aaron,
the foam builds up quickly, just in seconds after the power is turned on and it stays there till the power is turned off and for a 10 or so minutes afterwards, then the water is clear again. It is not recommended to use any electrolyte in joecell, because there we do not need any gas production. We only need the water so conducting that it can pass through about 0.5 to 1 amp at 12v. This is enough for bubbles to appear and the way how the bubbles appear tells us what stage the cell is and how much aether is stored in that water If your water is so clear, that it cannot pass enough current through it, then you can just increase the cell charging voltage till you get the current you need. But if you need to use only 12v, they sometimes use phosphoric acid, because you need only a teaspoon or so to make a gallon of water conduct enough current. It is not recommended to use vinegar for this as you would need large volumes of it and that can make the water "go bad"

If you haven't read this yet, please read the joecell experimenters guide:
Alex Schiffer - Joe Cell - Experimenters Guide to the Joe Cell | MERLib.org
It should answer most of your questions about joecells. Also look up those long videos in video.google.com where Joe himself explains and demonstrates these things. This is very interesting