Stanley Meyer

[pmazz850]

This 'plasma' idea of yours makes absolutely no sense. Does anyone even know what Tutanka's talking about?

Like I said, I'll light a match in a room of plasma air and nitrogen but are you willing to do the same in one filled with only hydrogen gas and pure oxygen?

ein~+tien,
tutankas plasma air is based on autothermia process.
Read the section on autothermia in this article. I think its close to the bottom.
New Energy Technologies Issue 22

[Ein~+ein]

The term 'Autothermia' appears to be a coined or derived expression from the more commonly used 'autothermal' or 'autothermic' (self-heating). The oxidization of biomass to produce Syngas, for example is an autothermic process, but not a combustive one so even the term appears misappropriated (I've bolded certain parts--I love how "facts allowed believing"):

Autothermia
Natural energy
Prof. E.I. Andreyev, Saint Petersburg, Russia +7-812-238-1688

According to this theory, air could combust autonomously, without fuelThese facts allowed believing in 100% realization of the autothermal fuel less air combustion in carburetor motor engines. Due to this, they were used for experimental and development activities directed at the exclusion of fuel from the combustion process.Presence of even a single electron and oxygen atoms with an opposite sign of excessive electrical charge inevitably leads to their interaction and a following explosion.

Incidentally, there's already a thread on Prof Andreyev called Fuel-less Combustion of Air. Profs Andreyev and Badiev if allowed to live, will be doing hard labour in some Siberian gulag.
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Having said all that, THIS ISN'T THE SYSTEM TUTANKA REFERS TO. Tuanka insisted that while plasma air was the REAL FUEL it needed ADDITIONAL FUEL.

[pmazz850]

plasma and air

here is a video of plasma and compressed air and a plasma like flame.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Vd7FV_UKCU&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Except Tutanka doesn't use high voltage!

[Jeff Pearson]

Yes the plasma makes sense. Pre-discharge corona glow for the purposes of ionization, for atomic nitrogen to bind with the hydrogen. If some binds with the oxygen, I think thats ok also. Nitrous oxide is added to the fuel stream of drag racers etc. You need a molecule other than just water formed during combustion for an explosion instead of implosion

[Aaron]

Baziev

tutankas plasma air is based on autothermia process.

See Baziev.

[tutanka]

here is a video of plasma and compressed air and a plasma like flame.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Vd7FV_UKCU&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Except Tutanka doesn't use high voltage!

No need high voltage.. and reaction present in your video is nothing respect to air as fuel

[Michael John Nunnerley]

releases much more energy when it forms than is needed to break the three single bonds that bind the nitrogen in the starting compound. "The point is that you are breaking weaker bonds and making a very strong bond,"

A second factor makes nitrogen compounds explosive: the newly formed nitrogen molecules form a gas, which can expand very quickly and form a shock wave.

[Ein~+ein]

releases much more energy when it forms than is needed to break the three single bonds that bind the nitrogen in the starting compound. "The point is that you are breaking weaker bonds and making a very strong bond,"

A second factor makes nitrogen compounds explosive: the newly formed nitrogen molecules form a gas, which can expand very quickly and form a shock wave.

@ Mike: Thanks for the clear explanation. While it makes sense, it doesn't appear to support either Tutanka's assertion that "Air is the real fuel" or the 'autothermia' one that 'air could combust autonomously, without fuel'.

@ Aaron (or anyone): I've already shown how what Tutanka talks about is not 'autothermia' either. But with respect to your 'See Baziev' comment, the only thing I could find were references mostly to the speed of light which is the only paper Patrick Kelly has on his site. I'm sure if Baziev's work were more influential (accepted among peers) or controversial, there'd be more discussion. Can you provide a specific link?
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Back on topic:

@Brian995: Do you still take what you've quoted Stan Meyer to say at face value given water contains only 1/3 the hydrogen of gasoline?
"Can you explain why, if hydrogen gas were that flammable (at ambient pressure), vehicles running on hydrogen would require it pressurized?