Bedini 10-coil

[Plazma]

Hi Plazma,

You will need to sign up to BM3 as a member to view Kog's pics.


John K.

Hi John,

Thanks for the reminder - I'm already a member there - just needed to fiddle with the web settings at Yahoo - however, all the pics seem a bit dark on my reception here so I probably have something screwed up - but, what I can see of Kog's pics shows a lot of skill and dedication - really nice work Kogs!

Speaking of Pics, I have several I'd like to post but they are all too big to post here (still learning about how to tame the megapixle beast on my digital camera).

Cheers,

Plazma

[iankoglin]

Hi John,

Thanks for the reminder - I'm already a member there - just needed to fiddle with the web settings at Yahoo - however, all the pics seem a bit dark on my reception here so I probably have something screwed up - but, what I can see of Kog's pics shows a lot of skill and dedication - really nice work Kogs!

Speaking of Pics, I have several I'd like to post but they are all too big to post here (still learning about how to tame the megapixle beast on my digital camera).

Cheers,

Plazma

G'Day All
I am still trying to up load a pic here But I am having no success
Can some one please explain how to up load a Pic

Regards Kogs

[Plazma]

Mine were WAY too Big

G'Day All
I am still trying to up load a pic here But I am having no success
Can some one please explain how to up load a Pic

Regards Kogs

Hi Kogs,

When I tried to upload one of my pics the forum server started to upload and then errored out. I checked my PIC size against the forum sizing guidelines to find that there are very significant size limits, which is quite understandable because of the massive size of the forums' files just for text alone. A megapixle PIC is a real storage hog if there are lots of them. At least, that is what I assumed the problem was but I'm not 100% sure of this and I haven't tried with a reduced size PIC. Sorry that I don't have more to share on this

Best,

Plazma

[digitz]

G'Day All
I am still trying to up load a pic here But I am having no success
Can some one please explain how to up load a Pic

Regards Kogs

You can use http://imageshack.us/ or Image hosting, free photo sharing & video sharing at Photobucket

[iankoglin]

You can use ImageShack® - Online Photo and Video Hosting or Image hosting, free photo sharing & video sharing at Photobucket

G'Day digitz
Thank you for showing me how to upload Photo's.
Here is the photos of my Bedini S1GT rotor
Pictures by Kogs1 - Photobucket

Thanks again
Kindest regards Kogs

[Plazma]

Plazma's Lab Pics

@All;

I, too, have joined the PhotoBucket Ranks. Please find a link to view a few pics of my new lab and some of the 'Wonders?' contained therein;

Plazma's Lab

Cheers,

Plazma

PS - My 'handle' at photobucket is seinetboss and I made a poor stab at a slide show . . . still learning (ugh!)

PPS - I'll go into details in added posts going forward so as to explain what each picture is showing and the inter-relationships between them. Quick and dirty - the panels and switches under the lab bench give me the ability to route significant energy from various sources to various destinations and measure what's going on (I hope).

[Littleremnant]

Bedini Questions

Hey guys,

I hope I don't get kicked right off for asking very possible
taboo questions. These questions never come up on here,
so I may be out of line. There is a lot about the Bedini
Tech that I don't understand, from things that came
straight from John. Some things just don't add up. I've
never been able to get these answered before so maybe
the time is right..

1. John says for us to set coils for 1 Amp (on larger systems).
Yet everyone here seems to be trying to find a "Sweet Spot"
(fastest wheel speed/lowest amp). The fastest wheel speed/
lowest amp draw seems to be confined to the one coil SSG -
or - maybe everyone on this forum wants to do their own
thing - or - Am I just missing something?

2. John says you can't run the system from batts charged BY
system, or they will run down. Been there - done that. It works!
Therefore how in the world is John running Mr. Big 10? He
makes mention of being able to cycle "back to front" using an
inverter, but no one talks about doing that here. In fact, no one
talks about this anywhere - I have been reading posts and
building these things for 3 years. No mention of this aspect,
except for Edwin Badertscher at fight-4-truth.com. John always
uses a battery on the front end of all of the machines he
demonstrates on the bench, but he doesn't say ANYTHING
about it "hurting" them - or - are they just regular batteries.
In all of the EFTV series he swaps the fronts and the back
over many times. Never says anything about it "hurting"
them. Am I missing something else??

3. I don't understand the impedance thing. It seems as though
it is some kind of balance between the front and the back. In
that case, if you had an inverter and a power supply or even
a solar panel on the front end - and it was isolated from the
energizer, there would be an issue with "balancing". I have
seen posts somewhere that claim some of the energy from the
energizer will go back to the front and "UNDO" the conditioning
of the battery if it is not isolated - hence - why one cannot just
run the energized battery on the front. If you run a battery
charger from an inverter from the batteries that you charge
with the energizer, wouldn't that defeat your purpose? - as it
would take so much energy to re-charge???? I HAVE to be
missing something else????????

Please don't take any of this as unfriendly - I am a Bedini fan.
Would just like to straighten out MY confusion!!! If the questions
are of no value to this forum just delete them and I will go away.

Thanks

[Plazma]

@Littleremnant . . .

Greetings and thanks for the interesting questions. I can only respond by stating what I am doing.

1. Sweet Spot(s) - R Friedrich has stated specifically that there are at least 2 sweet spots ref the 10-coiler - one easy to find and one that is more hidden but can give exceptional performance. One assumes that the higher the speed and lower the amp draw the more efficient the charging but that depends on the charging battery. Testing time will tell. 1 amp per coil, to me, is a rough cut because the system is dominated by the charging battery dynamics and, to a degree, by the flywheel effects of a) the rotor, and b) the whirling magnetic vortex. Good (meaning great) bearings have a big effect ref a) and materials of construction (and rotor gap, even the phase of the moon) has an effect on b). And then there is the decision about what do I want? A motor, a generator, or both?! These all interact. I'm working to characterize the switching and trigger dynamics on my 10-coiler as a start to develop meaningful insight (for me) to answer my own questions. This involves building a fair amount of test equipment.

2. Inverters - They have capacitors on their front end inputs - its my understanding that capacitors transform the negative radiant into hot, positive energy. Cap pulsing a charging battery keeps that battery in the so-called 'positive energy' domain - however, the sharp pulsations can induce desirable effects internal to the battery - so, I have a large cap pulser under construction to interface between my 10-coilers output and the charging batteries to help test out and quantify such interface performance, and do so on a large scale, irrespective whether the front end amp draw is 2 amps or 10 amps, or whatever.

2. Battery Impedance - just what is it (0.002 ohm ref the Tesla Switch Thread), is it a static value, or does it change with the degree of charge and the METHOD of charge that the load battery is subjected to? How about lets all devise a standard test that everyone can agree to and get busy building and testing? What are the measurement standards? How many pure resistive ohms does the battery beast have? How many milliHenries does it demonstrate and at what frequency, and how many Farads does it exhibit and, again, at what frequency? Is it a negistor - show me the numbers and what the conditions are that are conducive to negistor behaviour - and be sure to measure and publish the plate thickness, plate surface area, and plate porosity for every cell in the battery while your at it . . . a very tough and expensive job. No pat answers to this one - just hints.

So - a few bits of food for thought - maybe enough to trigger a 'feeding frenzy' from those more nimble of mind and foot than this poor scribe.

Cheers,

Plazma

[Littleremnant]

Plazma,

Thanks so much for answering back to me. I know this will get aggravating to
everyone, but I want to clarify some things.

1. Rick sold you a $4000 dollar machine and says "this is what will give you
what you want", then says there are TWO places to get it, but YOU HAVE
TO HUNT for them???? Not yelling, just emphasizing. Also if things change
every time you take out your trash, then John would be wrong in "NAILING"
his "DEAD MAN". He is running his on 10 amps, so tell me again why we
are changing this??? Maybe this is assuming that the one you "buy" is not
the same?

2. Yea, I don't want to do cap pulser. John says the 10 coiler does it's thing
"WITHOUT" caps, and I want to replicate the master.

3. Battery Impedance - My point was this. Say that you are NOT running your
10 coiler from a battery, but a power supply - hooked to an inverter. Now you don't have a battery on the front to "balance" your banks. Now you've changed the master's plan? My question is really this (on this subject) - is it practical to run in this manner, or do we absolutely have to put a battery on the front of these things?????

This is a long time problem with me. I am not a beginner. Just trying to replicate John Bedini. When someone states what John says, then someone always comes back and says, well, that's not what John meant. But I think everyone here would agree that John is smarter than the average bear, so why not take him at his word???? Just commenting in frustration. How can you study someone's work, then change everything he says?

Thanks again Plazma. This will probably get me kicked off!

[Plazma]

More Intrigue . . .

Plazma,

Thanks so much for answering back to me. I know this will get aggravating to
everyone, but I want to clarify some things.

1. Rick sold you a $4000 dollar machine and says "this is what will give you
what you want", then says there are TWO places to get it, but YOU HAVE
TO HUNT for them???? Not yelling, just emphasizing. Also if things change
every time you take out your trash, then John would be wrong in "NAILING"
his "DEAD MAN". He is running his on 10 amps, so tell me again why we
are changing this??? Maybe this is assuming that the one you "buy" is not
the same?

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It may not be the same (for all I know) due to changes in magnets, rotor gap, bearings, coil impedance, and so forth. Right now I am running shakedown tests using small, 19AHr batteries on both the fronend and the backend for reasons of my own. I am not yet at the point where I want to risk several thousands of dollars of 800+ AHr batteries until I am absolutely sure of what I am doing and can SAFELY protect both my equipment and the operator. So, I am not even close to 1 amp per coil - that could change when I step up to the bigger batteries on both the frontend and the backend, assuming that I want to go through conditioning such a massive load battery and the time to do so. Rick F. has stated over and over that the 'sweet spot' (a BIg conundrum - my words) is a function mainly of the load battery one chooses. Only until we all use the same battery will some of thE fog lift, in my opinion.
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2. Yea, I don't want to do cap pulser. John says the 10 coiler does it's thing
"WITHOUT" caps, and I want to replicate the master.

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Then don't do a cap pulser . . . it is a viable option, and depends on what the individual wants to do. Variants of it are shown in Bedini's original publications (cf pages 46-47 of Free Energy Generation) and patents and is used, I believe, in JB's Solar Tesla Amp, so it has its place. However, there may be tradeoffs if one chooses to use Caps, either on the front end in an inverter, or in the backend as transferring energy to a load/charge battery.
If you intend to relicate JB then start with batteries on both the front and backend - your decision.
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3. Battery Impedance - My point was this. Say that you are NOT running your
10 coiler from a battery, but a power supply - hooked to an inverter. Now you don't have a battery on the front to "balance" your banks. Now you've changed the master's plan? My question is really this (on this subject) - is it practical to run in this manner, or do we absolutely have to put a battery on the front of these things?????

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Run both ways and see if you give anything up, both in charge performance and effective life or residual charge in your source battery. I think that to properly frame your question here you have to contemplate the possible backflow of radiant from the load/charge battery back towards the source battery. The two are connected. Is there an interaction, especially if the load battery exhibits 'negistor' behaviour?
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This is a long time problem with me. I am not a beginner. Just trying to replicate John Bedini. When someone states what John says, then someone always comes back and says, well, that's not what John meant. But I think everyone here would agree that John is smarter than the average bear, so why not take him at his word???? Just commenting in frustration. How can you study someone's work, then change everything he says?

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I do not discount anything JB says. I also am running the 10-coiler with batteries on both the frontend and the backend, and will (in the goodness of time when I am ready) run the 10-coiler with massive batteries, both with the cap pulser and solo. And, we'll see then what happens to the amp draw, charge rate(s), and so-called 'sweet spots' . . . and, speaking of 'sweet spots' what about the concept of advancing the spark on this monster by cocking the master coil maybe 11.75 degrees at the 6-o'clock position???!!!

Another 'Sweet Spot' perhaps? . . . ergo why I am studying triggering - just not enough time and $.

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Thanks again Plazma. This will probably get me kicked off!

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You are welcome . . . But why the angst about getting kicked off??!!! You have not said anything derisive or inflammatory to my way of thinking so I wouldn't sweat it. Build and test and go forth and prosper . . .

All the Best,

Plazma

[Littleremnant]

Thanks so much Plaza. Oh, I have been building for a long time and have
things I don't want to admit to here. I just wanted to know what you thought.
Thnx for your answers. I just wanted I could get someone to admit to what John
is using to run his big ten. He never does say, in so many words, and I know
it would make a difference to what we are trying to accomplish. Parts of the
puzzle are not known, and I am just trying to prod that out of the ones that
know. I know a lot of people that frequent this forum know this info, but don't
know if they will cough it up. Maybe they can't. That's the reason for the
concern of getting put off of forum. I don't know what we can ask about this
technology without bringing down the MIB. I certainly don't want to get pushed
against the wall!!!!

Thanks for your posts

[Littleremnant]

Plazma,

I re-read your post and you eluded to the fact that John DOES run his machine from batteries. (last sentence in answer 2). Don't know if that's what you meant to say, but that's sort of what John leads one to believe too. ARE the batteries he is using for this - the ones he charged with the machine? IF so, they are having to run by inverter, or ????????????? Wish we knew!

I look forward to see what you will result when you get to ten coils and big banks. I find that running at sweet spot I get good charge rate, but no current in batts. Now running on 1 amp myself, and current seems to be coming back. Hope we can continue to swap ideas. I hope to get folks here talking about how to make this thing work, instead of arguing over input/output - coil physics - and electronics. We have the circuit! We have the geometry! We have the results! If we can find the few small missing links, we have what John has. At least some of us would!

Thanks again

[iankoglin]

Kogs SiGT update

G'Day digitz
Thank you for showing me how to upload Photo's.
Here is the photos of my Bedini S1GT rotor
Pictures by Kogs1 - Photobucket

Thanks again
Kindest regards Kogs

D'Day All
While I was waiting for the electronic parts to build my circuit On my S1GT I mounted an 11 filar coil along with its SSG circuit to suit. The coil is made up of 2 times 130 feet? of 5 x .8mm litz wire and one .56mm trigger wire and 1 MJL21194 transistor per strand it worked Fine. But when I replaced the trigger wire with the hall the wheel went round BUT all the transistors all got hot I moved the coil in and out also adjusted the hall position to no avail, I quit with that episode.

I now have received the electronic components for my BediniS1GT and now have assembled the circuit I tried it. The coil I built was all the wire I had left over from previous builds 600 feet of 5 x .8mm litz. ( I know we are told not to use twisted wire but this is all I had and I need to experiment first as I have still to decide what wire I need to purchase before I order any) The coil former is 135mm high 120mm diam with a core size of 55mm the core R60 rods protruding 50mm above the former and the Iron plate mounted at the bottom of the coil bent to form at 45deg on the 2 sides.
When I ran it the Transistors got hot and the hall seemed to have latched on I thought that I perhaps may not have built the circuit properly. I removed the circuit and replaced it with one I had built, a simple circuit to test the hall one to drive the wheel as a motor, just simple so as to test the magnet arrangement to fire the halls. I had used a halI that latches on when I was building so as to be able learn how the hall worked so as to install it correctly.
Immediately I found that the hall was a latching one I had fitted the wrong one then after replacing it with a correct one I still had the problem the transistors got very very hot. After trying again to move the hall and coil to I still could not rectify the problem so I decided to alter the coil I joined 2 x 2 wires in series so now my coil is made of 2 strands 1200 feet long and 1 strand 600 feet long I left the 1 strand loose and connected the other 2 strands 600foot in parallel and connected them to the circuit.

Now I was able to adjust the coil and the hall so the 1 transistor did not get hot I ran it all day and it still did not get hot. The revs were constant at 5.6 The amps fluctuated from .02 to 0.8 The battery a 12 volt remained constant 12.42 for 6 hours then dropped to 12.39 after another 2 hours.
I measured 5 strands 600 feet 5 x .8mm litz parallel was 1.296 ohms
The 2 strands 1200 feet parallel was 3.8 ohms

The next thing I have to do is now build the charging part of the circuit
I will keep you posted Regards Kogs

[Plazma]

A Lot of Copper . . .

Hi Kogs,

Thanks for sharing the info on your 'BIG WHEEL' - and those coil dimensions are stunning I still can't quite get over the impressions of JB's monster at the conference - would take a forklift to move the coil (or me after I've had a few Foster's for encouragement and medicinal purposes).

I'm looking forward to what you get after building the charging side of it.

Best of Luck on that,

Plazma

[Plazma]

1 Amp per Coil . . . ?

@All -

Just curious - does anyone have the specific info source for the assertion that one needs an amp draw of 1 amp per coil on the 10 coiler? My experience (so far) has not shown that level of current draw but its early in the game. I could be way off. Any additional info would be very much appreciated.

Thanks,

Plazma