Bedini Solid State Oscillators

[BroMikey]

It might be helpful to look at the power in and power out figures. Energy in v energy out.

If you use 24 volts at 5 amps that is 120 Watts input or 120 Joules per second input.
Then if you dump 55 volts from a 15000 uF capacitor 3 times a second then
that is 22.7 joules per discharge, so 22.7 x 3 = 68 joules per second output.

In that situation the efficiency is 57%.

Where is the heat/sound, vibration and EM radiation developed, there is the losses.

Cheers

Hi Farmhand

If I run at max of 24vdc X 5 amps the machine want to stay at 65vdc at about 2amps output.

At 4 amps I can get a pulse that is 15 amps every second or better.

Trying to think. This is so hard to explain, better build one.

Mikey

[Farmhand]

Show us this extra energy !

Take two new batteries with a standing voltage over 12.6v discharge one to 12.2 volts.
hen use one to charge the other and keep cycling them around for about 10 to 20 cycles. Then tell us what happens. No fibs.

Reconditioning sulfated batteries can increase their capacity and that might look
like extra energy. Also charging 10 batteries form one is no big deal. What is a
big deal is how much energy can be got back out of those batteries considering
the amount of energy expended on them.

The ringing in the coil means next to nothing.

Before promoting a technology you should fully test it and be able to demonstrate it's advantages.

I can produce the same wave forms as a Bedini oscillator using a circuit like
that in the datasheet, there is ringing, and they do condition batteries. But as
yet I have seen no demonstration of any extra energy from the batteries or
the circuit.

If you can show it please do.

The point is that if John Bedini's circuits can produce extra energy from a battery so can a circuit that does the exact same thing.

Also a demonstration of the extra mechanical energy over and above the input
and recovery energy is well overdue if you can show it then please do.

Cheers

[BroMikey]

Show us this extra energy !

Take two new batteries with a standing voltage over 12.6v discharge one to 12.2 volts.
hen use one to charge the other and keep cycling them around for about 10 to 20 cycles. Then tell us what happens. No fibs.

Reconditioning sulfated batteries can increase their capacity and that might look
like extra energy. Also charging 10 batteries form one is no big deal. What is a
big deal is how much energy can be got back out of those batteries considering
the amount of energy expended on them.

The ringing in the coil means next to nothing.

Before promoting a technology you should fully test it and be able to demonstrate it's advantages.

I can produce the same wave forms as a Bedini oscillator using a circuit like
that in the datasheet, there is ringing, and they do condition batteries. But as
yet I have seen no demonstration of any extra energy from the batteries or
the circuit.

If you can show it please do.

The point is that if John Bedini's circuits can produce extra energy from a battery so can a circuit that does the exact same thing.

Also a demonstration of the extra mechanical energy over and above the input
and recovery energy is well overdue if you can show it then please do.

Cheers

Hello Farmhand

Yes I have done this and the batteries will both go down. You are right even with a 100 percent eff circuit there will always be losses.

You did miss my point. You read my post? And decided that I was getting more power out? Then I put in?

That is what you got out of my post? It is?

My post did not center around how I was able to have a self running circuit that could run my entire lifetime.

It is possible and I can show you that one too if you like.

Now look back on my post. I was comparing block transformer direct current with another form of charging and I can see this is going nowhere as I am going to have to fight people putting words in my mouth.

Frustration is a terrible way of sharing. I know as I too have been very troubled with this free energy stuff.

But when my posts are made to look like I have free energy when I said "EXTRA ENERGY" as compared to the old way. What Im I to think?

This puts me back typing and repeating all over again and that is not a good feeling at all.

May I try once again?

Well I guess you still won't get what I have learned unless you get a battery and charge it both ways. Oh but you have?

Can you charge a battery both ways? Or Im I just blowing in the wind here? If you can then you know what I am saying.

I don't mind helping folks to get the bigger picture if they are on the same page.

If you had basic electricity (A very small joke) you would know that an iron core transformer is 66 percent efficient. Then look at the losses in the diodes.

Then you need to understand sulfation build up in batteries. This will also lower efficiency.

Now look back at my post. What I was saying and still I am saying is that COMPARED TO this 50 percent efficient way this new form of charging is twice as good or up to 100 percent for openers. The next step is over the top. Start from the beginning.

That is not the end of it as the batteries are changed (like you said) as they become use to receiving a charge this way.

This is battery tech. Not and endless well of free power that any guy with a hammer and nails can put together after dinner for a couple of bucks.

I thought I said that already. I had just as big of a block wall when i started studying this free stuff cause I thought sure I was going to start right off the bat with more power than I put in.

Oh no that power must come from so where and it can.

If you want free power right now just go hang up a 200 foot long piece of wire and hook it to some diodes and a large cap. Just don't kill yourself.

It is a well known fact that people have been charging their cell phones for years with a long wire this way. Some have clocks running on it.

This Bedini thing is a tool for using in conjunction with other ideas.

What I am working on is a highly efficient way of handling very sparingly any power I can get to work with.

So yeah you want some? I just told you how to get it.

I have 2 tiny long wire antenna modules found on the web that gives me 20 volts dc, but what I do with that power after, is important also.

I can charge a 500ah battery bank with any tiny input, can you? Not without tools you can't. Now do you see?

Yes the answer is yes, but you are going to have start with the tiny 2 module germanium diode bridges and see for yourself that free energy is all around you.

The two work together as you run the bedini energizer the modules double their collection or more.

Now look at this next statement. The work I am doing to charge batteries increases their capacity and some of my 100ah batteries now give me 170ah.

Now if I had been using a regular charger my 100ah batteries would and were only giving me 50ah back.

Now you tell me what is going on. I donno. But one thing is sure it is not just a silly miscalculation as I have many batteries all doing that. Where is the extra capacity coming from? Where?

Yes you are right if I swap batteries around on my pulse charger they all will go down.

But what are you going to do with the rest of what I just told you?

Are you going to think I am just another mixed up well meaning guy who is fooling himself?

I am sure believe me or I wouldn't be doing this BroMikey's Science Projects

This is my 3rd capacitor discharge circuit in progress it is ain't cheap.

When I hook up my inverter to run lights at the house my batteries do the job which is more than I can say for any 2 years old system with sulfating batteries.

This is battery tech. Something happens to the batteries.

The energy SHOWS UP in battery capacity for me. Which I call extra energy or extra capacity so maybe you misunderstood what I was saying before since we just started in talking about this whole subject.

We are tapping energy from the earths magnetic field in most cases if free energy does appear.

The earth is a huge dyno complete with moving molten iron rock rotating just like a generator.

We are learning to tap into some of these energy.

The battery energizing circuit I show is not yet grounded to the earth nor do i have it connected on the other side to a long wire antenna.

I hope you see more about where I personally am going.

Michael

[BroMikey]

MonsieurM, I am unable to keep up with the post's you make at the moment.

Anyway I am almost ready to start something with a tree. My experiments with the wireless transmitter has given me an idea. I got out a very small cap pulser i made over a year ago for plate "P" experiments, it is 4.4 uf neon fired SCR pulser. I connected it to my wireless receiver and it is cracking out a very sharp pulses a bit quicker than once a second and is actually charging a battery when it started to rain the tempo of the discharges picked up significantly it almost doubled for a little while. I was waiting for it to rain to see if it would affect the discharge rate, then it happened which gave me a big smile . So I am thinking that the receiver may in fact pick up environmental energy as well as the transmitted energy, (the kinetic energy from the rain impacting the roof and stuff converted to charge on the toroid) I'll test that later. The impulses are so sudden they are affecting the computer just like a small spark gap. I have video soon.

I think i will wind a small receiver with all three coils but the tree will have the coil wound like a toroid around it like you showed before. This will excite the coil "B" and so on to Coil "A" which is closely coupled to Coil "C" but not mutual coupling. The output of coil "C" should then be at a resonable voltage to charge a cap to over neon fireing voltage but with some oomf behind it too.

Video of the cap pulser working from the receiver very soon.

Cheers
Here's the video clip, the camera shutter isn't fast enough to catch and record all the flashes but they can be heard and seen with the naked eye. The battery has charge up from 12.68 volts to 12.75 volts in about an hour.

P.S. VIdeo link - YouTube - ‪Pulsing battery From Receiver.wmv‬‏


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Hi Farmhand

Looks like you know what I am talking about huh!

Mike

[BroMikey]

Sg Oscillator 26awg wire

Hello friends and group members

Here is an update on my web flyer that shows my beginners build of a solid state version of John bedini SG OSCILLATOR.

BroMikey's Science Projects

My approach is to bring the building process down to a level beginners can understand in a step by step build.

These coils are the main way Bedini winds and twists. Then there is the basic very simple diagram with a hand full of electronic parts that even a young child can arrange on a bread board.

My circuit is a step up from what the little girl built using a single channel.

The little girl who built one for her science fair project back 40 years ago got such attention that these circuit are named "Sg" or "School Girl" Oscillators.

Now people just see "Sg Oscillator" or "Simplified School Girl" "SSG" Oscillator.

Her is me winding a coil. Well only partly shown in pictures and the other portion in text form.

I energize batteries with this circuit but also use the pulse dc that is a form of AC for experiments. I like this AC signal because if you are experimenting and make any mistakes it doesn't blow the fusebox out of the wall on your house.

I can get 100volts and not have to worry about melting transformers, if I goof nothing happens, it just shorts out with not damage to the circuit or any parts.

This circuit is an experimenters dream circuit.

BroMikey

[Farmhand]

Hi Bromikey
Do you have some pictures of the waveforms(from dutycycle,cap,coil)
How many batteries do you charge with one.
Thanks

In response to this persons post you stated that you charge a battery bank of
300 aH @ 12 v ect. I did get the impression that you were stating that you
charge a bank of batteries with on battery.

I have built a Bedini oscillator, several in fact.

I already have free power but it doesn't come from a wire strung out which will
give some free energy but not much. Even a tree has a wave form.

When someone asks if you how many batteries you can charge from one it
might get you less grief if you just tell them the facts they asked for.

How many batteries can you charge from one battery. The answer is it
depends on the capacity and condition of the batteries being charged and the
supply battery capacity and condition. Without specifics in the question only a
general answer can be given.

I'm guessing the person was asking if you could charge several discharged
batteries with one battery of the same capacity, and how many.
You answered by saying that you charge a 300 aH battery bank ect.. What does that mean ?

In my post you quoted, I was experimenting with a transmitter/receiver unit, it was quite some time ago. And had nothing to do with Bedini oscillators.

Also I was asked to scope a tree by MonsieurM.

I've done my fair share of research on Tesla's work since then and a lot of
people make claims on his behalf that he never made. Which is a pet hate of mine.

Cheers

P.S as far as the claims of getting 170 aH out of a 100 aH battery I don't
believe it. Where is the evidence of that ? It's just words that cannot be
validated as no one is going to watch that happen at your house.

Some capacity can be recovered by desulfating the batteries, but to say
you can almost double the capacity of a new battery is a bit of a claim, can you show that please ?

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[BroMikey]

Beginner at Work

In response to this persons post you stated that you charge a battery bank of
300 aH @ 12 v ect. I did get the impression that you were stating that you
charge a bank of batteries with on battery.

I have built a Bedini oscillator, several in fact.

I already have free power but it doesn't come from a wire strung out which will
give some free energy but not much. Even a tree has a wave form.

When someone asks if you how many batteries you can charge from one it
might get you less grief if you just tell them the facts they asked for.

How many batteries can you charge from one battery. The answer is it
depends on the capacity and condition of the batteries being charged and the
supply battery capacity and condition. Without specifics in the question only a
general answer can be given.

I'm guessing the person was asking if you could charge several discharged
batteries with one battery of the same capacity, and how many.
You answered by saying that you charge a 300 aH battery bank ect.. What does that mean ?

In my post you quoted, I was experimenting with a transmitter/receiver unit, it was quite some time ago. And had nothing to do with Bedini oscillators.

Also I was asked to scope a tree by MonsieurM.

I've done my fair share of research on Tesla's work since then and a lot of
people make claims on his behalf that he never made. Which is a pet hate of mine.

Cheers

P.S as far as the claims of getting 170 aH out of a 100 aH battery I don't
believe it. Where is the evidence of that ? It's just words that cannot be
validated as no one is going to watch that happen at your house.

Some capacity can be recovered by desulfating the batteries, but to say
you can almost double the capacity of a new battery is a bit of a claim, can you show that please ?

..

Hi Farmhand

Yes you are so right I should have said that I use a set of 28ah batteries in series that are kept charged by a 5 amp block transformer. Not very impressive I know.

I have done what you are talking about last year with my very small Sg Oscillators and i noted that I could take energy out of one battery and put it into a bigger one and get more work done running a small cordless drill motor than I could running the motor off the one small battery til it was dead.

So the answer that I should have given was that I really don't know yet because so far I haven't done much that way lately.

What I am doing is building units WITH capacitor discharging units to match because I noticed that batteries charge up way faster this way.

I commend you on your long wire experiments and the success you are having with the Bedini SSG oscillators.

So your free power comes from the recovery of the coil collapse? I think this is the standard answer.

I am enjoying your pet hate for false claims because I too am against misinfo. All I see most of the time is goose chase after goose chase.

I am just about done with the big dump that outputs 90vdc and am dead set against finding free energy on the web. I believe now that I will have to find it on my own so for now I am building so I have something to work with.

This is as far as I have gotten.

From what I have observed using the cap dump charging batteries fast is a very real thing. I am a battery freak. I take the acid out and throw is down the drain and out comes the ALUM crystals.

I am not kidding that my batteries give me more power than they are rated for. I had some charts I made last year but are all lost. In fact one solid year I faithfully posted results like this on one site and when the moderator decided I had to be thrown off I lost it all.

But it went like this.

I would take a battery that I wanted to test like say one of my 100ah AGM cells and zap it up good with the Sg Oscillator(Not an SSG)

Let me say first that the batteries converted to ALUM take WAAAYYY longer to charge than the regular batteries do.

So i would bring the batteries up to 16vdc over a long period of time using the SG Oscillator WITH Cap Dump. At a 1.3 amp discharge it took days to bring these batteries down to 10.5vdc on my small inverter.

An in every case if it was a 30ah battery or a 28ah the results were the same always getting more out of the battery than the factory rating listed.

Now let's not forget that it takes way longer to charge it, more going in and more coming out that is all. No extra that I have gone out of my way to measure.

Now the smaller Sg Osc I built are another subject and I THINK I got a few more joules out of them but I THINK the face on the moon is not really a man.

I really don't know yet. I was told to get that wall wart off of the input batteries and give room for the cold energy to climb in there or something like that, while my batteries all run down.

I have Generator Mode, I have Sg Osc mode 1 and cap dump.

The way it looks is the cap dump needs to go on the shelf and the batteries need to be directly connected to the Osc for a day or 2 for best results.

Discharge takes place in a few hours around say 6-8hrs.

I look at that and I say that this is impractical so I look for another source to input the machine. Generator mode is said to run both run and charge batteries up together at the end of a cycle (SAY 16v) but not a soul online has a working example.

I bought the DVD33 and understand these simple video's.

I am told that because I refuse to hang magnets on a wheel my coil won't work the same in GenMode.

So now you know where I am, no where with free or extra energy of any practical amount to run anything with what is left over.

Just circuits that can run batteries up fast without boiling them. Even though I have not gotten any farther than this I know that the extra is there.

So why have a machine that can run itself with so small of an amount left over that the practical use is a joke? That is what i asked myself.


I have Batteries, I have lights, I have inverters, I have wind, I have sun.

One answer for generating a small input for these Sg Osc machines is the Tesla aerial systems that JES has shown us world wide.

John bedini has a 30,000 dollar system and gets more power out than he puts in but it takes 36 hrs to charge and runs down in 8 hrs. He is the inventor and currently is using solar power to run his new Tracker Oscillators so as to make an impact in the practical sense.

All of his devices have there place.

I know the extra exists but knowing this while my lights run every year from energy from the power company does not get me excited anymore.


I am one of those guys who will make it work one way or another and do not trust much of what I read on line to be anything but mostly hype. Completely turned off.


So now YOU have my pet hate.

Thanks for asking again so you can see that I am just like the rest who wonder what to build next.

I will try them and test. I can tell you that high energy surges like with capacitor discharge can produce many phenomena.

Don't know why but I like capacitor discharging.

Any help or suggestions you might have are always welcome but like I said the answers to free energy will probably remain a secret.

Even John Bedini and other men who have inventions could not give a full answer without jeopardizing their positions in life.

I get alot of SOS dot dot dash code emails that are suppose to give the answers. National security they tell me is why we are not given the full answer. We have riddles like Batman got from the riddler

Bro Mike

[BroMikey]

Hardware

Greetings experimenters

Here is an update on my capacitor discharge unit Mucho Granday.

Sg Oscillator Cap Discharger 90vdc No Toy pulser - YouTube

I have not done any experiments yet as I am building units to test with first.

I figure if I can pulse radiant at 90vdc at 40 amps maybe I could actually power something practical if I stumbled on to a mysterious phenomena. Just joking around and power slamming batteries.

Mike

[BroMikey]

SS-SSG wheel

Hello Group members

Here is a link to a man who uses the power out of his batteries feeding solar to his Bedini wheel. He has found that IN HIS CASE that charging is much better when he does not spin the wheel.

This then is in fact the same as a solid state SG OSC.

The man has a 500ah battery and is working in the practical world where it doesn't matter to him who has an Oscillator that requires a spinning wheel.

He is not driven by anything other than getting the best results out of his rig.

Some might say he has bad bearings, magnets, wire, batteries, bad somethings and this must be why his wheel won't give better results.

Either way here he is. http://www.youtube.com
/watch?v=AlDQZOxwnRQ

He is charging a 500ah battery set with a 3 amp input. Pretty practical real world operating results i'd say.

Tesla had an input, he didn't try to run lightening through his lab off of storage batteries, his input was Niagara Falls turbo hydro electric dam.

Using a battery to charge batteries and recycling it back to the run leaves you with little left over for usable power.

He need an input say earth batteries or a long wire or solar and so on and so forth.

Further using a capacitor discharge Unit in conjunction with the SG OSCILLATOR increases your ability to charge larger battery banks for the same input power.

In this video the man does not show any capacitor discharging units.

I think the man has a pretty awesome rig and you can tell it didn't come out of a box, he built it from scratch. Because he needs it, big difference from people who toy with stuff.


Mike

[wrtner]

He has found that IN HIS CASE that charging is much better when he does not spin the wheel.

This is very weird since the standard SG method requires the wheel to be propelled (albeiit by itself). If the wheel does not move, or is held stationary by force, then I would have thought that it should not work at all.

I wonder if his circuit is accidently diffferent and the difference is crucial (and interesting).

[BroMikey]

No Wheel SG OSC

This is very weird since the standard SG method requires the wheel to be propelled (albeiit by itself). If the wheel does not move, or is held stationary by force, then I would have thought that it should not work at all.

I wonder if his circuit is accidently diffferent and the difference is crucial (and interesting).

Hello wrtner

There are video's all over youtube that show guys with the wheel Monopole motor that they learned from John Bedini that got up one morning and forgot to start the wheel and the batteries charge right up.

There is a buzzing of OSCILLATION. Look on the circuit I uploaded at the trigger wire hook up. This is in the patent and also around the web a couple of guys are circulating a diagram of the same thing. well you don't have to do it that way either. It works both ways without magnets.

That is John Bedini's patent and shows the SG OSCILLATOR circuit without a wheel. John has both patents of the same idea.

It is known as the SOLID STATE version of the SG OSCILLATOR.

Here is what I use
Beast Solid State Energizer.jpg

I can charge batteries that are alot bigger if I hook up my cap dump.

The wheel can do things that the SG OSC circuit can not do like put a generator coil on it to get a little more power back from the spinning wheel.

Attraction Mode, Repulsion Mode, FORCED OSCILLATOR MODE. The solid state version is known as FORCED TRIGGERING MODE. No Magnets and can run higher frequencies.

Each unit has it's place depending on the use.

Someone has a Ferris wheel 4 sale right now all made.

Mike

[Sawt2]

Mikey
Is S1 just a switch to turn it on and off?
Thank you
sawt2

Hello wrtner

There are video's all over youtube that show guys with the wheel Monopole motor that they learned from John Bedini that got up one morning and forgot to start the wheel and the batteries charge right up.

There is a buzzing of OSCILLATION. Look on the circuit I uploaded at the trigger wire hook up. This is in the patent and also around the web a couple of guys are circulating a diagram of the same thing. well you don't have to do it that way either. It works both ways without magnets.

That is John Bedini's patent and shows the SG OSCILLATOR circuit without a wheel. John has both patents of the same idea.

It is known as the SOLID STATE version of the SG OSCILLATOR.

Here is what I use
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I can charge batteries that are alot bigger if I hook up my cap dump.

The wheel can do things that the SG OSC circuit can not do like put a generator coil on it to get a little more power back from the spinning wheel.

Attraction Mode, Repulsion Mode, FORCED OSCILLATOR MODE. The solid state version is known as FORCED TRIGGERING MODE. No Magnets and can run higher frequencies.

Each unit has it's place depending on the use.

Someone has a Ferris wheel 4 sale right now all made.

Mike

[BroMikey]

Switch

Mikey
Is S1 just a switch to turn it on and off?
Thank you
sawt2

No it is to turn on and off an optional resistor to experiment with is all. You only need so many but I use more when i dial down to lower amp draws on the input.

That way I don't pop my smaller batteries.

mike

[BroMikey]

Sg Osc to Capacitor Discharging Unit to Lead Alum Batteries

Hello group members

Here is a simple update on my large capacitor discharge unit and how it works during burn in. I will be going up to 90vdc with very large amp surges enough to pop a battery if it is a worthless battery anyway. Can't wait to clean off all of the sulfation on this big bank.

Sg Osc to Capacitor Discharging to Lead ALUM Batteries 90vdc No Toy pulse charger - YouTube

I didn't mean to highjack your thread Aaron, I just couldn't resist the temptation.

Mike

[Aaron]

solid state Bedini

I didn't mean to highjack your thread Aaron, I just couldn't resist the temptation. Mike

Fire away - that's what it's for!