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**Sephiroth** · 02-11-2008, 10:10 PM

ok, I think I understand what you're saying... but I think you get the same effect by simply making a bigger rotor? and I could just turn my coils around so I could still use the north poles....

though your idea is interesting... having the coils on the inside of the rotor might have an effect because of the different interactions with the magnets and the coils... not sure what the effect would be though

for example if I made my three coil motor like you said and use the same number of magnets (6) then when the north of the coils is repelling the north of the magnets on the rotor, the south pole of the coil's pulse might repel the south pole of the magnet on the opposite side of the rotor thus adding torque...

I've been thinking of a way to utilise both the north and south pole of the coils using a double rotor but haven't got enough materials to build it yet!

**peper10** · 02-11-2008, 10:17 PM

By the way Seph.!!
You gonna have a slithly lost in you're Rpm...
I gess you don't gain something without loosing something!!!
It's just a calculations that i made looking around and piking up somes formulas that i got from internet...
I just want to get more involve in this type of technology...
My next step is gonna be to make the same circuit as your's...
Actualy i have tree projects that i work on..Maybe i most settle down and
just finish 1 at the time..
Again thanks for you're interest in my theory...

Exited to ear from you..
peper10

**Sephiroth** · 02-11-2008, 10:38 PM

true, RPM would probably go down with a bigger rotor...

but we are more interested in PULSES per minute! So even if the rpm goes down you can still have the same (or more) pulses per minute by adding more magnets to a bigger rotor... you will probably have the same "PPM" as long as the magnets are spaced the same distance from eachother on any sized rotor.

in the end the energy from the rotor is not as important as the energy going into the batteries.

The motor is a bonus!

**peper10** · 02-11-2008, 10:52 PM

I again Seph!!
By having the same number of magnets,you gonna have the same pulses,
but,the centrifugal forces gonne be a new player to pay attention.
You can counter the centrifugal by having a lighter rotor.
Maybe change the magnets with some lighter ones,with the same forces.
By the way i like you're idea of placing another coil outside of the rotor.
I think that having a coil outside of the rotor you can recover the energy
from it and feed the hole system as a primary.

Realy like to exchange with you.
You seem pretty involve with this stuff.
At least it make me think of a way to simplyfied this stuff.

I gonna work on it tonight and make the circuit working first.

My regards..
peper10

**ren** · 02-11-2008, 11:23 PM

Guys I think you are on track here, perhaps not in this thread but on to something none the less. I believe peper10's idea to utilize the other end of the electromagnet is similar to some of Johns G -Field designs. The easiest way to do something like this would be a design similar to this one.

Directory:Bedini SG:Replications:Monsieur Bonheur FluxGate - PESWiki

A central shaft could turn a pair of rotors with the coils mounted between. Heck you could gang ten rotors together and fill the gaps with coils.

If your e- magnet is pulsing and you are utilizing only one pole, then it makes sense to factor in the other end. Aaron showed a good little clip of a window coil winding with an led on the ends. When placed under an sg(?) motor coil it would light up.

**peper10** · 02-12-2008, 12:01 AM

I Ren!!!
I think the same way as you. Why not utylize both side of the magnets to
have a higher COP.
By using both sides of the magnets,i think we can optimise the hole setup.
Like Seph said:The point is to have more pulses of energy.The torque is a
bonus.
Since i start talking with Seph,i have maybe(30)sketches of what it look like
to have a setup like Seph with the coils sandwiched by magnets.
My goal is not to reinvented the wheel,but,THINK about building someting
pretty efficient and not loosing others adventages.
Together,we can make it possible.I compare myself with you guy's,and,i'm
just a beginner to this stuff.
But,I think you get my point there Ren!!!!!!

I realy appreciate you're comments..
peper10

**gmeat** · 02-12-2008, 12:20 AM

Has anyone else noticed this?

Hey Guys,

I noticed something when charging my batteries up using the renassance charger, It seems that the voltage goes up and down quite a bit from say low 13ish to say as high as 18 volts. So I decided to try this with my SSG low budget setup

. It just seems to me that it charges really well with a couple of short bursts of about 1.5 amps for just a minute or two and then letting the amps drop back down to around 350 milliamps for most of the time charging them up during those short bursts the chage battery would rise well above 15 volts and slowly come back down to about 13.25.
The battery seems to like this fast charge.Has anyone else come accross this affect?.

-gmeat

**peper10** · 02-12-2008, 12:33 AM

I again Ren!!
I'm i on the good tread here?
If not,reply to me because i'm not reading all the treads.
If so,i want more precisions about you're taughts.
I'm not pretty sure what you're thinking of.

By the way this is a pretty exiting tread.
peper10

**theremart** · 02-12-2008, 02:23 AM

Ok both ends of magnet.

Originally posted by peper10 View Post

I Ren!!!
I think the same way as you. Why not utylize both side of the magnets to
have a higher COP.
By using both sides of the magnets,i think we can optimise the hole setup.
Like Seph said:The point is to have more pulses of energy.The torque is a
bonus.
Since i start talking with Seph,i have maybe(30)sketches of what it look like
to have a setup like Seph with the coils sandwiched by magnets.
My goal is not to reinvented the wheel,but,THINK about building someting
pretty efficient and not loosing others adventages.
Together,we can make it possible.I compare myself with you guy's,and,i'm
just a beginner to this stuff.
But,I think you get my point there Ren!!!!!!

I realy appreciate you're comments..
peper10

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Ok I have been thinking along the same lines.... here is my idea

make a horse shoe magnet ( U shaped ) power coil... then on the SSG put on like hard drive neo magnets ( they are not magnetized threw the thickness)

This in theory would use both sides of the coil both North and south thus giving more push force, ( a U shapped magnet is more efficient I have read.)

So using like Flora wire one could wrap the coil around this wire, then bend it to a u shape. then test this to see if one can get this to repel with the same amount or greater force than the standard SSG.

Another idea is to use transformer plates which have the U already, and wrap by hand. then couple this idea with the Neo idea mention in the electric motor thread, one might have alot more force for the same amount of energy put in.

Speculation, but perhaps worth a shot?

**Aaron** · 02-12-2008, 02:36 AM

Bedini SG Advanced Superpole Configuration

Hi everyone,

I didn't film a demo today because it wasn't what was wanted to be shown.

Anyway, I'm putting a vid online.

PLEASE UNDERSTAND, I do not want anyone on a wild goose chase on something that doesn't have repeatable results, but the concept is fairly straight forward and when you see it, you'll know why.

Little more torque and less power input just by rearranging the magnet configuration. Before anyone starts to just build it like what the video will show, I would recommend waiting for anyone that has a setup that can be easily changed and tested without any hassle and if anyone does that and posts any promising results, then it might be a good idea.

The original motor that had this configuration tested was from the end of 2004 I think and has been put away since.

I'm not making any claims as to what it will do for anyone else, just what Kevin's motor demonstrated. That way if anyone else doesn't see improvement, please don't say I didn't warn you. LOL

I also do not know how much of the improvement came from the magnet configuration and how much was from one other modification that I will show soon.

Actually, I'll show 2 variations of the other modification and I believe both can be used. I have used each one separately.

**Aaron** · 02-12-2008, 02:43 AM

Bedini SG Advanced Superpole Configuration video link

Bedini SG Advanced Superpole Configuration

This is the full description I posted along with the video:

"This was tested on one motor to show stronger torque with less input. I would NOT suggest you build yours like this but try it if you have the normal super pole configuration and can easily rotate them 90 degrees without much work. If you do not, you might want to wait to see other's results to see if it is easy to duplicate the results. There is one more enhancement that is not shown in this video and we may release it soon at EnergeticForum.com"

From this idea, you may find something even better and if so, please post your results here.

**peper10** · 02-12-2008, 02:55 AM

used both sides of the magnets

Originally posted by peper10 View Post

I Ren!!!
I think the same way as you. Why not utylize both side of the magnets to
have a higher COP.
By using both sides of the magnets,i think we can optimise the hole setup.
Like Seph said:The point is to have more pulses of energy.The torque is a
bonus.
Since i start talking with Seph,i have maybe(30)sketches of what it look like
to have a setup like Seph with the coils sandwiched by magnets.
My goal is not to reinvented the wheel,but,THINK about building someting
pretty efficient and not loosing others adventages.
Together,we can make it possible.I compare myself with you guy's,and,i'm
just a beginner to this stuff.
But,I think you get my point there Ren!!!!!!
I realy appreciate you're comments..
peper10

Yes it could do the job pretty nicely.
I was sketching my wheel to spread over the coils and having the best
impulse from the coil.
And then, i was wondering about recapture the other side(outward)of the
magnet.
So,onmy next sketch you can see the other coil place outside the rotor.
This way,with the same magnet and the same coil you have an optimised
coil(outside)because you have the magnet effect and the coil pushing
outward to the other coil.

Thanks for your attention.
peper10[ATTACH][/ATTACH]

**Aaron** · 02-12-2008, 03:01 AM

nice concept

I like the concept Peper10! Nice to see new ideas!

**ren** · 02-12-2008, 03:41 AM

Peper there are two things here that you and I are discussing. One is utilizing both sides of the electromagnet (coil) with twin rotary devices, the other is utilizing both sides of the magnet (a coil on either side of the rotary device). I'm not sure which one you are reffering to, both can be utilized. I think you should check out the diagrams on this page, particulary the adams motor configs on page 4.

http://www.panaceauniversity.org/Chapter2.pdf

There are so many configurations to test!

@ Gmeat. I have noticed better charging rates at higher amp draws too. However I think that each setup has an optimum efficiency draw. I guess theres a stage where you are pushing too much current into the charge battery.

**peper10** · 02-12-2008, 03:47 AM

[ATTACH][/ATTACH]Thanks Aaron!!!
I was not discredit you and the other concept(double stack magnets).
I just want to explore another way to extract more from an already exellent
concept.
Maybe i'll faild. But i know that curiosity lead to discovery.
Maybe i'll face a difficulty,maybe i'll discover something new(possibly not
efficient),but,i just want to give it a try.
By the way,i saw your vid on you tube and it's pretty interesting!!!!
I put some new immages about my sketch because they were not clear
enough..

Talk to you later...
peper10

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