Bedini SG

[Sephiroth]

you would be changing the inductional qualitites of your trigger circuit Sep. I see it acting like a choke of sorts. Its actually a cool little experiment. Good work! If you want to play around with your trigger circuit I suggest winding a single trigger coil and using it as a pickup coil. You could wind a small one to see if it gives a faster switching time, and you can play around with the angles of pickup.


I was also thinking of a way you could use a pickup coil in place of a hall device.

thanks ren! After reading up on chokes it appears that is excatly what it is doing!


What I was trying to do was see if the trigger coil could generate enough electricity to power the relay (it cant!) but i noticed the motor behaved in a much different way with the relay in the circuit...

first I thought it was just the added resistance of the coil (which is about 67 ohms) so I took it out and increased my pot 67 ohms higher but it didn't behave the same way...

with the relay in, I have to turn my pot down (not all the way down) to get it to fire the coils but here are the wierd effects:

No self resonance

Reduced amp draw - you might remember this motor used to draw almost an amp at one point. Then rewired it to the "ring circuit" and that dropped to 470ma. But now (with the choke) it is drawing 300ma. Which is insanly low thinking about how much it used to draw!!! I can get it to operate at less then 200ma but not as high rpm.

very very slow acceleration - takes a few minutes to reach top speed.

RPM - RPM is at least equal to the top speed without the choke. possibly faster but can't be sure. I have a Tach in the post so I can confirm speed in the next week or two.

Just as a note I am using a standard superpole at the moment. I don't think my magnets are strong enough to get Aaron's superpole to work.

I also tried hooking another relay in series so that there were two relays in series but it didn't perform as well.

I also tried bridging the relay with a diode (tried it in both directions) amp draw increased (nearly doubled) but not rpm.

Will have to read a bit more about chokes and try out a few of different values on the trigger to see if there is an optimal one...

[elias]

Oh and Elias I dont think the bicycle generator is overunity. It is an excellent example of an easy way to capture/show the energy moving in the coil though. Excess energy isnt created (ever) it is harvested/transformed into a form which we can utilize. Led's are such a great device. You could make a whole coil out of leds, imagine that! Every time your coil fires your room lights up!

I would like to see some inside shots of one of these generators. If its as simple as a floating magnetic sphere which is aggitated to induce voltage into a surrounding coil then we should experiment with this and Elias' magnetic coupling.

Ren,

I agree that energy is never created, but this does not mean that energy never flows in a system, which do flow in a simple magnet. But the trick is build some device to utilize the flow of energy in magnets.
Magnets are already steady state flows, and can put out more energy, if we learn to capture the flow of it, as we do with a turbine to capture waterfall energy.
The only drag the bicycle generator would have on the wheel is the tangential force of magnets, which is at maximum at two points of rotation and decrease as the magnet inside the coil turns. The repulsion and attraction of the magnets are responsible for the rotation of the magnet inside the coil also, which are the free part added from the free energy delivered by the magnets and do not drag the wheel at all. This is why I strongly think that this device is over-unity.

In the small rotor coupled to the larger SSG wheel, the free energy appears only when one loads the small rotor, because the repulsive force of the magnets gets into action and enables us to utilize the "waterfall" flowing in the magnets.

Elias

[ren]

Oh and Elias I dont think the bicycle generator is overunity. It is an excellent example of an easy way to capture/show the energy moving in the coil though. Excess energy isnt created (ever) it is harvested/transformed into a form which we can utilize. Led's are such a great device. You could make a whole coil out of leds, imagine that! Every time your coil fires your room lights up!

I would like to see some inside shots of one of these generators. If its as simple as a floating magnetic sphere which is aggitated to induce voltage into a surrounding coil then we should experiment with this and Elias' magnetic coupling.

[ren]

you would be changing the inductional qualitites of your trigger circuit Sep. I see it acting like a choke of sorts. Its actually a cool little experiment. Good work! If you want to play around with your trigger circuit I suggest winding a single trigger coil and using it as a pickup coil. You could wind a small one to see if it gives a faster switching time, and you can play around with the angles of pickup.


I was also thinking of a way you could use a pickup coil in place of a hall device.

[Sephiroth]

ok guys... this might be a tough one...

but what do you think would happen if you hooked a relay's coil in series with the trigger coil on the ssg? ie between the top of the trigger coil and the base resistor...

I'm getting a really wierd result...

is it possible it can have some kind of tuning effect?

[Matthew Jones]

I have been trying to get an SSG circuit running using a pipe between 2 coils and 2 neo dymiam's with the South back to back. I am not sure if it will have any advantages this way or not. What I was hope for was faster HIT rate on the coils. The wheel is good but to get a rapid hit rate you have to use a small wheel and a very stable surface. This isn't somthing I have been able to come by easily. The best RPM rate I got is with a wheel I made from plastic and skateboard bearings. It goes about 420 RPMS (Normal SSG). Thats 4200 magnetic hits a minute on the one coil.

I figure If I bounce the magnet back and forth within a 8 inch tube, the magnets set being about 1 1/4 of an inch, 10k - 12k hits per minute, on 2 COILS.

I have had some problems though with a wound trigger firing. The only way I could make it work was add a little iron outside the pipe, wrap the pipe and iron with wire. This gave to much resistance once the magnet got towards the trigger. I got some reed switches coming and I am going to give them a try for a trigger.

My end goal is to try to overcome a load on the extra wire I have in the coils. I have 2 POWER wires for the SSG circuit than I have 4 extra wires. Each wire is actually 2 18 awg wire twisted for about 6 ohms of resistance.

Anybody who has played with the extra wire and dumping them into Caps, if you have just powered (No Bridge) out to a capacitor you'll notice it puts a load on the machine. Hopefully If it works out I can dump the extra wires into a Cap bank backwards then slowly discharge the last cap back into the run side of the circuit. Self runner. I hope.

Then I gotta come up with a way to make it stop, LOL

Matt

[elias]

Digging up any generator

I saw these on a youtube video with an SSG, so I thought why not try it.

YouTube - Batteryless Dynamo on Bedini

I have one, took it apart, and inside is a sphere Neo with a cylinder with very fine magnet wire wrapped around the tube.

Batteryless Bicycle bike safety LEDs lights, A non friction bicycle dynamo, generator, No battery, No friction, science DIY kit, invention, new product. is where I got mine...


I have ordered 8 (1) inch Neo spheres. I can't wait till they get here.

Questions and Answers

How much voltage and current does this dynamo generate?
About 7V, 25mA pulses.

Theremart,

As I observed this generator, It appeared to me that this generator is over-unity. I am pretty sure that this generator utilizes the push pull force of the magnets, and causing very little drag on the wheel, while causing the generator magnet to rotate pretty fast. Also LEDs, don't drag generators very much, and it doesn't matter how many LEDs one uses, and this is pretty interesting, As I have noticed this in my other experiments.

BTW, this for powering LEDs on a bicycle is not a very good idea, because batteries are already negative resistors and can power the LEDs, indefinitely, if you charge them with SSG.

The idea for generator design is magnetic coupling, which we have discussed thoroughly on the thread for extracting mechanical energy from SSG. One can use a long NEO magnet and place it near the SSG wheel and it would start rotating pretty fast and with good torque, without dragging the rotor so much. Why is this so, because the rotor a single Neo magnet makes is so small compared to your SSG wheel and would create ASYMMETRY and would cause more energy generated in the rotating Neo magnet. The free energy comes form utilizing the free push-pull force of the Neo magnets.

The device they are selling for bicycle lighting is over-unity but they don't dare to confess!!

Edit:
For now I am sure that another small monopole rotor, with good magnets and smaller ones would generate more mechanical, but for other setups I am not so sure.

Elias

[peper10]

WOW that's even IMPRESSIVE!!!

http//youtube.com/watch?v=onxFDkeYNfk&feature

I saw these on a youtube video with an SSG, so I thought why not try it.

YouTube - Batteryless Dynamo on Bedini

I have one, took it apart, and inside is a sphere Neo with a cylinder with very fine magnet wire wrapped around the tube.

Batteryless Bicycle bike safety LEDs lights, A non friction bicycle dynamo, generator, No battery, No friction, science DIY kit, invention, new product. is where I got mine...


I have ordered 8 (1) inch Neo spheres. I can't wait till they get here.

Questions and Answers

How much voltage and current does this dynamo generate?
About 7V, 25mA pulses.

HI Theremart!!!
Do you have seen this vid!!!

Let me know what you think.

peper10

[riku2015]

hi Aron,
By Bedini_SG : Exploring Tesla type technologies instructions (pdf files Starters Guide 2) there is saying at START should be 3 spikes, but im unable to make it.

i have 3-5 spikes one coil, others have 2 spikes, i have tuned it for purpose, it takes less current draw, if i tune for one spike, then current draw is more and of course also it spins faster, but im not intrested the speed or torque.

my testing purpose is first of all, conditioning batteries, then make two banks, like at startes guide says. i have already 2x5 7Ah batteries (10pcs) im at start point, at discarging c20 the first time this moment.

[Aaron]

needs tuning?

If it is what I think it is, it might be because the circuit isn't tuned. For each time you trigger it, there should be one spike at normal running speed. That may mean you have to reduce the resistance at the base of the transistor until you see 1 spike.

[riku2015]

here is the spikes what im talking (as attach)

[peper10]

Hey theremart!!!!

I am trying to find this out myself.... what can be generated with various coils/configurations. I tried this with my faster wheel ( 8 ceramics spinning at 2500 RPM ) I could get it to generate with the coils but it seemed not to be as effective as with my 300 RPM Neo set. ( mind you the 300 RPM is turning a wind generator which is now up to 5.5 V ) But the thing that got me was it did not slow down the speed of the turnning of the wheel. I could easily hook up 12 of these around the wheel and get 7V * 12 with out slowing down the wheel and I am sure charging the batteries at the same rate. As I said, I can't wait till my larger sphere neos get here. :-)

I am hoping the fine magnet wire is not a factor.... and i can use my 20 gauge wire.

Do you want to a bridge rectifier at each coils???
If your rotor as the MASS,it may be efficient.I don't know you're actual
setup. How many coils do you want to hook to your rotor???

By the way i found an old printer since my last post and have the time to test
it.Here are the results:

NMB stepping motor from minebea nom35L-048-ccbo 1000 RPM=31dcv
0.29amp
Mitsumi stepping motor M42SP-6T with a resistance of 61homs @1000 RPM
13.1dcv and 0.56amp

Wem you got some developpements let me know

Thank's to sharing that with me.!!!
peper10

[theremart]

I Theremart !!!

Actually i'm in process of building a rotary attraction motor and i have found
some step motor that can produce 22dcv and 0.26ma at 1000rpm.

peper10

I am trying to find this out myself.... what can be generated with various coils/configurations. I tried this with my faster wheel ( 8 ceramics spinning at 2500 RPM ) I could get it to generate with the coils but it seemed not to be as effective as with my 300 RPM Neo set. ( mind you the 300 RPM is turning a wind generator which is now up to 5.5 V ) But the thing that got me was it did not slow down the speed of the turnning of the wheel. I could easily hook up 12 of these around the wheel and get 7V * 12 with out slowing down the wheel and I am sure charging the batteries at the same rate. As I said, I can't wait till my larger sphere neos get here. :-)

I am hoping the fine magnet wire is not a factor.... and i can use my 20 gauge wire.

[Aaron]

battery conditioning effect

When charging the batteries with the SG circuits, a white powder coating builds on the plates in the battery just like on the cathodes of the water fuel cell tubes or plates. It restricts current.

[Sephiroth]

elias,

the strange thing is the pendulum DID charge the batteries... and it charged them so convincingly that John included it in EFTV so it must have been months before he realised the negative effects of the pendulum... This is one reason I think that its the accumulation over time of new chemicals in the battery...

In the reduction process electrons must be supplied to complete the chemical reaction to get the sulphur off the lead and turn it back into sulphuric acid...

but I think what the pendulum did was force the sulphur off the lead but there wasn't enough electrons for the reaction to complete fast enough leaving empty atomic bonds that joined with just about anything they could find! This could lead to all kinds of chemical combinations of the elements building up over time that wouldn't normally exist in the battery...

These new chemicals may behave in a similar way to the chemicals in the battery (since they are very similar chemically except there may be a sulphur or hydrogen atom stuck in the wrong place or two where there should be one) but as they build up it will become evident that they do not have the same performance.

So, like john says, we have to work at the speed nature intends. I think the pendulum DID charge the batteries but faster then they could fully make use of the electrons available in their enviroment.

Using the plant analogy again, providing a current is like providing air flow for a plant.

Or I'm just plain wrong... this is just the conclusion I have come to with the facts we have available.