Bedini SG

[theinventor]

conditioning batteries

Hello, i have a question about how you all are conditioning the batteries used in the ssg.

I know that conditioning is charging and discharging.


But at what voltage should one stop discharging the battery and recharging the battery connected to the ssg again ?

Should it discharge all the way to zero all the time before recharging (which is not recommended by most)?

Or should one just discharge till the battery gets to lets say 8volts?

And then recharge?

Bottom line is how are you guys going about conditioning your batteries?

I mean are you doing it different because the ssg can restore the batteries if not physicaly damage?

I ask because my personal experience is that one should not get carried away with this on a regular charger because it will ruin the battery but then again this is not a regular charger which is why I am asking this simple question that apply to a complex yet simple machine (paradox).

Iluminate please.

Thanks


At least this is what is done to the batteries for the ssg correct?

Or can someone explain the process : short and simple?

[Jetijs]

If you use a standard 12v Lead acid or gel cell batteries, you should NEVER discharge them to lower voltage than 10.5v. This will damage the battery beyond repair. That is the worst case, I would go for 12.0 as the lowest point. Also, when charged to say 13.5 (measured while charging), take the battery off the circuit and let it rest for some hours. The battery is much like a human, it needs a resting period between work. Also never discharge your batteries with too much current - it will also damage them. Use the so called c20 rate. For example, if you are sing a 40Ah battery then 40/20=2A. So you can safely discharge it with 2A current draw or 24W load.

[linesrg]

Further suggestion re battery usage

Guys,

To make more efficient usage of your batteries you may find it beneficial to only run them down to 12.4V, they take considrably less time to recharge from this point.

This based on 6yrs of playing with assorted 'free energy' projects.

Regards

Richard

[selamatg]

My SSG run

Dear All,


My SSG finally running. but the speed only about 120 rpm
I use round magnet 1" dia with 3/8" thick (18 EA)
Wheel = Allumunium bicycle wheel 24 " Dia
Coil : 0.75 mm and 0.50 mm 1000 turn winding parallel (not twist)
Core : Iron
Transistor : 2N3055
I adjusted the variable resistor but 120 the best Rpm I can get
Primary and charging battery using 12V 17AH lead acid battery

please advice how to get better speed ?

Best regards,

Selamatg

[Jetijs]

Make a smaller airgap between magnets and coil. Also you can use two 12V batteries in series to get 24V on the primary but in this case it is advisable to use the same battery setup on the output.

[gmeat]

Looking for answers

Hi Everyone,

Can anyone tell me the reason for the light bulb on the trigger side of the SSG .thx in advance.


-Gary

[selamatg]

Hi Jetijs,

Thank you for your advice,
Now I can get 185 RPM using 24 V on the primary battery.

Is round magnet maked slower too? I have rectangular magnet 6" x 1" x 1/2" ceramic type. anyone know how to cut the magnet?

Thanks,

Selamatg

[Sephiroth]

Hi Everyone,

Can anyone tell me the reason for the light bulb on the trigger side of the SSG .thx in advance.


-Gary

It increases the resistance in the trigger as the power increases... just a handy way to tune the ssg though not essential and not 100% reliable since you will need a bulb that will match your ssg.

[ren]

Hi Everyone,

Can anyone tell me the reason for the light bulb on the trigger side of the SSG .thx in advance.


-Gary

Gary the light bulb can offer a few benefits. Firstly it is a form of resistance, and can often drop amp draw despite resistance being at what you may previously have deemed to be the maximum setting for your configuration. It can act as a tuning guide too, giving you an indication as to when there is too much current in the trigger winding.

Finally it can function with the neons to absorb the radiant if there is a faulty connection. I have a 12 volt 6 watt globe on my new trifilar and it works excellently.

[ren]

Hi Jetijs,

Thank you for your advice,
Now I can get 185 RPM using 24 V on the primary battery.

Is round magnet maked slower too? I have rectangular magnet 6" x 1" x 1/2" ceramic type. anyone know how to cut the magnet?

Thanks,

Selamatg

Selamatg, the round magnet doesnt have as sharp a flux line as a rectangular one will, and the switching generally wont be as quick. Well thats the theory anyway, I have seen 2 of JB's designs use them, although I am certain one of these at least uses a hall to trigger so that may be invalid.

Dont bother trying to cut magnets, especially ceramic as they are too brittle and will just crumble.

[mrbreau]

It is the coil!

I just got through updating my SG.

Dear All,


My SSG finally running. but the speed only about 120 rpm
I use round magnet 1" dia with 3/8" thick (18 EA)
Wheel = Allumunium bicycle wheel 24 " Dia
Coil : 0.75 mm and 0.50 mm 1000 turn winding parallel (not twist)
Core : Iron
Transistor : 2N3055
I adjusted the variable resistor but 120 the best Rpm I can get
Primary and charging battery using 12V 17AH lead acid battery

please advice how to get better speed ?

Best regards,

Selamatg

It was running at 144RPM and only drawing 68.4mA. Like you, I wasn't happy with the way it was running so I investigated ALL aspects of the installation finally coming to the coil.


My old coil was 2000 wraps of 26ga and 28ga with r60 welding rod core. The core was snug but not tight so I filled the gaps with epoxy to keep it in place. Inductance on the old core was; 26ga = 200.4mH and the 28ga = 201.2mH. As I said, the best RPM was 144. The best Amp draw was 69.5 at fine tuning. Charging was REALLY slow and the good news is that the primary battery didn't run down fast.

The new coil is 1000 wraps of 26ga, 28ga, and 28ga. (As it turned out, the 28ga shorted so they were both used to operate the SG.) The core I used this time was 16d nails, 3-1/2 inches long. I took measurements as I was doing the core with an amazing find.

26ga air core = 14.97mHy
28ga air core = 14.65mHy
28ga air core = 14.92mHy

26ga snug core = 26.25mHy
28ga snug core = 26.18mHy
28ga snug core = 26.23mHy

After driving one more nail into the core so the core was REALLY TIGHT; (You can't hurt the coil by driving one more piece into it once it is wound.) here is what I got.

26ga really tight core = 1.038Hy!
28ga really tight core = 1.223Hy!
28ga really tight core = 1.238Hy!

So, there was a forty fold increase merely by jamming in an extra core piece.

So, what happened to the SG?

RPMs = 179.8
Draw = 144.8mA
AND, the high voltage spike went off the scale!

ALSO: the primary battery went from 12.23V to 12.19V overnight. That's not much discharge from the primary that I can see.

I hope this helps someone.
Warren
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[theremart]

I just got through updating my SG.

It was running at 144RPM and only drawing 68.4mA. Like you, I wasn't happy with the way it was running so I investigated ALL aspects of the installation finally coming to the coil.


RPMs = 179.8
Draw = 144.8mA
AND, the high voltage spike went off the scale!

ALSO: the primary battery went from 12.23V to 12.19V overnight. That's not much discharge from the primary that I can see.

I hope this helps someone.
Warren
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I for fun did the exact opposite. I put only 4welding rods in. I was amazed that it still could push the wheel as fast as it could.

I think AT LAST I have a self sustaining system. I have been running the SSG for over a week and a half with the auto battery switcher with no loss in total voltage. My set of six golf cart batteries stay at 11.71 Volts as I switch them around. And my two other batteries are staying at 13.20, and 12.90 - 14.20 V.

In a few weeks of running 24/7 I should have some highly conditioned batteries! ( provided the ones I have do not have physical problems )

The Forklift battery looks like it will be next if this continues.

[Runnningrage]

One more last try

QUOTE=ren;18181]Sep has a good point. The battery is either seriously damaged or you have a connection problem with your multimeter. Does your battery read 12+ while at rest? It may sound stupid but check with some different leads plugged into your multimeter if it is giving confusing and conflicting information. Often with cheap leads the wire connection can break without the insulation breaking, I have a few sets that have done that.

Failing that you need to figure out if your circuit is drawing amperage when connected. It may pay to make your circuit again, screw or bolt the transistor down to a piece of board and solder all connections bar the resistance. Its a bit hard to see but do you have a diode between emitter and base? If you find the mje transistor small and hard to solder the 2n3055 or tip3055 are bigger and easier to make connections. There seems to be a significant bundle of mess around your pins and this can complicate things.

And yes for a small rotor you need to have an appropriate gap between magnets, at least 1/1/2 magnet spacings if possible. Id suggest a 4 magnet rotor.

Good luck.[/QUOTE]

Hey Ren what up i belief you were right the problem is definetly my coil. When tested my coil with 9v DC motor conneted to 12v battery i found the problem why because the to separtate were both connected to negative and positive side of the connect. Which isn't suppose to even conduct electricity when the wire are two wire wrap in next to each other. Here i post a drawing on what im talking about. There is electic tape inner of the coil i don't know if that make a different. I some can please give advice because start to feel like i need to throw in the towel

[gmeat]

thx for the replies on the light bulb

Hi Everyone,

I came accross a strange anomally when checking different coil values on the trigger choke with an Led.The thing about this that has me scratching my head is why can I see up to 8 different pulsing spots past the 1st coil and before the 2nd coil that are lighting up off the SSG wheel,When I say lighting up I mean I see reflections off my magnets that are 1" long by 1/4" round and they are nickel coated so as to see a reflection and I know how you guys hate to hear this but yes they're neos .The point is how can I see 8 reflections when I'm only using 2 magnets .Well I figured my eyes must be playing tricks on me so I took a picture to verify If this could happen at the same TIME and it confirms that in fact it is happening at the same time.I guess the most logical answer is that my eye just cant notice the time change with regard to the speed of the magnets passing by those 8 points of reference and the camera is giving me the same affect as my eye sees.I can only get this affect with an old SSG coil with about 400' of #20 and #23 awg wire and can only get this on the #23 wire at about 1.2 amps.This core has the magnetized magnetite core.If i try normal air cores on the choke on the trigger I only get 1 or 2 pulses.

p.s. sorry for the lame post

-Gary

[ren]

I just got through updating my SG.




It was running at 144RPM and only drawing 68.4mA. Like you, I wasn't happy with the way it was running so I investigated ALL aspects of the installation finally coming to the coil.


My old coil was 2000 wraps of 26ga and 28ga with r60 welding rod core. The core was snug but not tight so I filled the gaps with epoxy to keep it in place. Inductance on the old core was; 26ga = 200.4mH and the 28ga = 201.2mH. As I said, the best RPM was 144. The best Amp draw was 69.5 at fine tuning. Charging was REALLY slow and the good news is that the primary battery didn't run down fast.

The new coil is 1000 wraps of 26ga, 28ga, and 28ga. (As it turned out, the 28ga shorted so they were both used to operate the SG.) The core I used this time was 16d nails, 3-1/2 inches long. I took measurements as I was doing the core with an amazing find.

26ga air core = 14.97mHy
28ga air core = 14.65mHy
28ga air core = 14.92mHy

26ga snug core = 26.25mHy
28ga snug core = 26.18mHy
28ga snug core = 26.23mHy

After driving one more nail into the core so the core was REALLY TIGHT; (You can't hurt the coil by driving one more piece into it once it is wound.) here is what I got.

26ga really tight core = 1.038Hy!
28ga really tight core = 1.223Hy!
28ga really tight core = 1.238Hy!

So, there was a forty fold increase merely by jamming in an extra core piece.

So, what happened to the SG?

RPMs = 179.8
Draw = 144.8mA
AND, the high voltage spike went off the scale!

ALSO: the primary battery went from 12.23V to 12.19V overnight. That's not much discharge from the primary that I can see.

I hope this helps someone.
Warren
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Very interesting results Warren, I have to get an inductance meter. I find it hard to believe just one or two rods can make such a difference By the way, what size is your battery?

Keep us informed!