Self Running Bedini SG Circuits

[ray stewart]

voltage spike

i am able to get a push bike head lamp 6 volt 4 oams to burn out very quickly with this pulse of very high volts and about 1 amp if i put the globe in the place of the charge battery

[ray stewart]

welding rods

try stroking them with a strong permanent magnet and see if you can magnetise them
then do the same with transformer laminations

[ray stewart]

regarding timing

the read switch is only to be used to flip and flop a relay" 6pin 2 state "from onebattery to the other the timing of firing will be done from the trigger coil of each indivual coil therby getting full benifit of passing magnet pluss collaps of electrical field thats why i am not changing any thing except to where the voltage spike goes and where the drive power is coming from the read switch flip flop circuit will controle the relay which can be powered from an independant sorce so if overunity exists motor will self run while eventually over charging the batteries????????? sorry if my earler reply didnt make this clear

[ray stewart]

its running

i went and used the K.I.S.S principal
every thing the same as ssg motor
swapping batteries around every 1 sec
using inderpendant circuit timer driving relay 2 position 12 pin
so far no voltage change after 1 hour of running

[ray stewart]

still running

8 hours later
voltage in accumulator "A" no change 13.1 volts
voltage in accumulator "B" droped by 0.1 volts to 10.0 volts
I guess I need to run caps now or it could run for a very long time

[Inquorate]

Capacitors

Sounding good, perhaps switching batteries / caps slower than one second to see if better / worse at self running.

Whatever caps you decide to use, fill one up and see how it's charge drops naturally over time and take that into account?

Thanks for sharing

[ray stewart]

not possible

i used 33 000 micro farad caps
charged from power sorce via diode through resistor
so they were constantly trickel charged at a slower rate than what was being used/recycled
initially charged to full voltage of power sauce "then trickled"
i had things set pritty well i could watch analog volt meters slowly rise and
fall the fall always slightley greater each time
"the natural discharge time of caps was so long it is irrevelant to this expirement "
i changed the cycle time of "charge discharge" from
as fast as the relays could cope
to around 2 seckonds
still caps disapated there charge in similar rate of time
then drove wheal over speed 'external power sorce same resault
so then set coil to self ossilate same thing
the power that is available to be generated from another coil on wheal is only enough to power 2 leds even if you feed this back to caps it is never enough to self run
the earlier odd resaults i was getting was due to poor calibration of volt meters
THIS MOTOR ALTHOUGH EFFICIENT DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE A COLLECTOR OF SO CALLED RADIENT ENERGY I REMAIN A SCEPTIC
NB coil 633 turns of .6 and 0.9mm not twisted but wound on lathe set to pitch of 1.5 mm
core made from transformer laminates available in any good old microwave
the rest of moter same as basic plans
push bike wheal mounted flat making it more diverse
this remains nothing more than a good educational experiment

[Aaron]

self running oscillator

This thread is for any Bedini SG circuits that are modified to self run....or at least attempts to self run.

My old youtube link in post #2 here is no longer valid.

Here is the updated link:
YouTube - Self Running Bedini Oscillator
of a self powered oscillator

[bedinimotor]

multiple coil bedini

does anyone know how to hook up multiple coils on the bedini ssg? I hooked up a second coil last nite with the same circuit as the first and I think it blew my transistors after about 10 minutes of running. the transistors were 2n3055s. also should I have not used the trigger on the second cicuit? If not, what will I exclude from the cicuit? Thanks

[John_K]

Hi Vissie,

Nice to see you on this thread, but isn't it for Bedini self-runners?

Anyhoo, I've messed around a lot with them. I did get one to run for an ectended period of time a couple of years back, but my commutation was crap. It was the same circuit Jetijs post on page 1.

Golden rules for back-popping batteries:

1. The timing must be perfect to get the HV spike from the generator coil.
2. The spike must be sent to a capacitor to convert the negative energy to positive.
3. The cap must be dumped when the SSG is off, right off.

I'll subscribe to this thread to see how it goes. I may return to another self-runner soon, I just came up with a couple of ideas I want to try. Gotta do something else besides Tesla Switches.

John K.

[Kraaah]

negative lead output batty back to positive of run battery?

has anyone the normal sg cirquit in selfosscilation the output trough a voltage doubler (2x220vdc 680uf and 2 Big diodes) into a big cap(bank) and this goes to the secondary battery pulsed by a selfossilating relay style capdump12v(the one on youtube , it was someone from this forum) but when i connect the - from the 2e batty and connect it to to run battery'S + intresting things happend.. sorry for short and crappy discription,my phone is semi smashed.. i only found out today but for what ive seen the runbatt went down much slower AND chargebatt charged quicker.. am i harming the battrries this way? Since the + of the runbatt is the - of the charge batt it doesnt short so i think ?

[Aaron]

Self Running Oscillator


Back in 2007 I filmed a little demonstration — a completely self-running, closed-loop Bedini SG oscillator built around a trifilar coil. No batteries in the loop… just capacitors that keep charging themselves indefinitely while the system runs at a voltage far below what the transistor is “supposed” to need.

Watch the newly re-uploaded video here (details below the video):

What you’re seeing:

• Classic trifilar Bedini SG coil (23-gauge, ~2,000 turns): power, trigger, and one completely isolated recovery winding
• RCA 3055 transistor (yes, the old-school one)
• Front-end powered only by capacitors that are being conditioned with a high-frequency, high-voltage relay/ignition-coil pulse circuit
• Recovery energy from the isolated winding is fed straight back to the input capacitors — the input side literally cannot “see” the output side – if it did, it would wind down fast and defeat itself
• A simple ground rod connected to the circuit (just like John Bedini showed on the original 1990s KeelyNet schematics)

The result? The input capacitor drops a little at start-up, then climbs back up and just… stays there. I left it running for a long time until I literally got bored. The system stabilizes and oscillates forever on its own recovered energy — and it does it while running on less than a volt, way under the official transistor spec. That alone tells you something very non-conventional is happening with the current.

John Bedini always insisted the earth ground made the machine “run stronger.” Most builders ignored that detail. This demo proves he was right — you can see the dramatic difference the moment the ground rod is connected.

Those old original schematics that John originally posted are down below.

Why this matters in 2025

Two weeks ago I wrote about the Benitez self-running systems from the early 1900s. After personally witnessing multiple closed-loop devices over the years — including this simple oscillator — I’m no longer surprised that Benitez may have been telling the truth. In fact, when you study his patents side-by-side with some of the later “free energy” circuits that became famous, the family resemblance is unmistakable.

Carlos Benitez Self Running System

The real magic isn’t in complicated hardware. It’s in understanding switching, energy recovery, conditioning (caps or batteries), and the role of the local environment (yes, including that ground rod most people leave out).

[JenkoRun]

Hi Aaron, on the emediapress post you wrote that the impulses dissipate with resistance, in previous posts here you wrote that these negative energy spikes would grow with resistance over time instead of decaying:

https://www.energeticforum.com/forum/energetic-forum-discussion/renewable-energy/1214-radiant-energy-and-cooling?p=25997#post25997

https://www.energeticforum.com/forum/energetic-forum-discussion/renewable-energy/john-bedini/1662-understanding-battery-charge-in-capacitive-discharge-and-ssg-chargers?p=33986#post33986

Can you clarify please? Thank you.

[Aaron]

I haven't thought of any of that in years. I'd have to take time to look thru that but what I remember now is:

Some of that comes from some of the Bearden explanations, which in some cases seems valid sometimes. In my inductive resistor experiments (over 1000 hours), the primary goal was to make heat then capture the inductive spike from the inductive resistor and it did make heat and we recovered what we put in. But, with the exact circuit and when the 555 timer was underpowered, it went into wild oscillations where the same resistor dropped about 5C below the ambient control resistor so how can we explain this? Whatever model makes sense I suppose.

When the negative spikes are put in a capacitor and then applied to a battery, John Bedini called that "Forward Conversion" - a term you never hear anyone talk about. It turns it into "positive" energy so the battery charges normally. Many people experienced with negative spike charging that they exhibit funny symptoms and is why the first inductive spike commercial charger - the original 12v 2 amp one was changed into a cap dump, which then make it a positive "energy". Batteries would no longer be charged with normal chargers in any meaningful way, etc. if charged with spikes. Many of us have seen this so there is something to the whole negative vs positive aspect of this high voltage pressure spikes.

But for battery charging with the spikes on an SG type of situation, whatever recovery battery has the lowest impedeance winds up with the most charge. That is for sure.

Potential is the polarized aether at various pressures - pressure determined by the voltage - higher voltage is what higher pressure is - voltage is the gas pressure reading of the aether. That is the real stuff, which the EMF electromotive force is made out of, which potentiates the electron current to flow from the conductor in the opposite direction. So any resistance that potential experiences on its way to a lower potential is dissipated at the point of any resistance and that is work or energy. So the less work the pressurized potential does on its way to the charge battery to separate the internal charges, the more charge separation it can cause to happen for the same amount of indicutive kickback. Lower impedance battery means there will be more charge separation for the same spike. That's the bottom line function of the lower impedance battery.

For energy to be negative, there has to be a reverse entropy process happening where potential is coming into a resistance and adding to the EMF rather than being a point of dissipation. If that were to happen, there would be a cooling effect, which is what was happening when the resistor went that cold in those old experiments. That's the only time I ever saw that kind of cooling to that degree - no pun intended.

How can a resistor amplify the negative energy? Energy is the wrong term anyway since there is no such thing as energy - energy is just the activity that potential experiences when it is dissipated at a resistance. Potential is the stuff and energy is an activity it experiences when disordered. So, just because a spike is negative or positive doesn't mean it is negative or positive energy to be technically correct. Seeing it as a suction or positive pressure would be more accurate but in either situation, I don't see a situation where putting either a positive or negative into a high impedance battery would wind up with something more beneficial.

My ideas might not be right but I can make things work that are in opposition to prevailing conventional beliefs so I think my ideas are definitely more correct.

John said another thing that most people don't seem to recall and that is the fact that this is a TIME charge - I believe that is a fact whether it is a spike or cap dump.

The spike is potential and not energy because the spike is very narrow, there is no practical time component to it. All the time is locked up in the potential so it is literall, time potential.

When you cultivate it and then apply a load, the amplitude of the potential shrinks and you get the time back out of it as evidenced by the width. So what is being pumped into the battery is the potential for time to flow so it is a time charge just as he said even though he only saw one application of the concept.

That's the best I can do with the time that I have. It could seem like a contradition but the inductive resistor heated up and also cooled down with the exact same circuit so it can't be a contradition - is just means we don't have the full picure of what is going on.

[Tom Wlazlak]

Funny how this subject never get old started in 2007 like Frankenstein risen from the grave; in 2025;
What is really interesting is people are still taking this technology as possible and real;
a fellow from Canada ( lot of A's ) has taken it so serous he has collected part from investors and is hoping to show the whole world his can finally do it;
((( limitless Potential Energy ))
on the Youtube - you know like all the rest of the people out there showing they can finally do it;

Physics; and all the Ai's agree; this concept of lifting yourself by your shoe-laces and flying around the room can not be done in the real world;

The magic trick is done by showing it on a video; Again; the magic trick is done by showing it on a video;

If one wants to have a working technology to show other people; the best way to do it; is finally show it on the youtube channel; It seem to work every time doing that; somehow;?

For me however; I personally say never believe anyone's ( whatever they wish to call it working technology ) Things; (( works unless you see it in person ))
Do not believe or give anyone anything for the Hobbies; ) whatever they wish to call it ( If the people say their stuff works -- tell them good for them - no more needs to be said;

The one doing something workable is for themselves; not for anyone else; Even if it is shown; on the internet to other people; That working stuff is not for anyone else; but for the inventor themselves; working on their own hobby; stuff; The inventor may wish to have the world have it; but really; they don't want the world to have their personal baby;

Everything shown on the videos; trying to convince the world the hobby works; Well; on the video the magic of radio baby; can make anything happen;

Din ma - Tom - retied hobby and things in the magic world of the forums non-sense; last one standing - I guess ?