COP 17 Heater | Rosemary Ainslie

[rave154]

Aaron,

i had similar weirdness going on with my PC when i was testing the Aromaz ignition coil circuit....PC reseting without errors or scandisk startup etc......though i never had any lamps going on or off !!

[witsend]

Hi Luc. Re video 15 updated - still enjoy your arguments. As elegant as ever. The fact that there was an error - so what? That's the grinding discipline of experimentalists and it hones character and intellect - never a bad thing. And with the copious supply of both evident in all your work - quite frankly - you're still my role model.

Copied over from Luc's thread.

[Aaron]

radio

Do you have an RF meter handy?

No, but I have an AM radio and listened to this circuit about a month ago. Would cause the whining on the radio up to 10 feet away or so. I even tuned it according to the sound on the radio and tuned it by ear from the pitch of the coil.

[jibbguy]

RF is no problem to get rid of with proper grounded enclosures. What most peeps don't realize is that many of the conventional devices on the market radiate horrendously without shielding

Trying to make this circuit comply with IEC regs to get "CE" approval is a long way off... But although it may be a headache, it will be a GOOD headache. Such problems we can live with

[boguslaw]

My advice - get rid of RF but not just of using a filter or screen, try to eliminate it entirely manipulating the circuit elements.RF is what is not allowing OU

[Tecstatic]

Hi Aaron.

Congratulations with the latest video (post#2127)

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/4314-cop-17-heater-rosemary-ainslie-71.html#post65377

As seen from the last few posts, the effects on nearby equipment is not uncommon.

I have seen similar effects myself working on Stiffler's stuff.

I think we could benefit noting from what running frequencies we get these effects,

IMHO nature provides us with a set of frequencies, from which we can gain energy.

If we make a list as we find the frequencies, we could have a sticky thread for just noting the frequencies, and what type of equipment that caused these effects (and nothing else, no "noise" posts).
With the collective efforts of this, we could get a crude list in the near future for further examination.

I think a systematic search and registration could help us making better devices, and also make it more easy to succeed more quickly with a newly designed and built device.

Regarding the RF, of cause it can be shielded, at least the non-scalar radiation.

Aaron, also let me express my respect for your role as a fair moderator. Although Rosemary has had to take many "cuts", it seem the TK's effect on the thread is significantly reduced to the benefit of progress

Eric

[Tecstatic]

My advice - get rid of RF but not just of using a filter or screen, try to eliminate it entirely manipulating the circuit elements.RF is what is not allowing OU

Though unhappy to spend time on this, on what facts and evidence do you base this statement ?

To me this is in the category like the advice Aaron got to shorten the gate wire length to avoid oscillation.

According to Hector all electric harvest of radient energy, or whatever you call it, is in the form of RF.

So maybe you also advice Bedini to kill the "radient spike" which on a fast scope turns out to be a damped RF oscillation ?

Eric

[boguslaw]

I guess here.For me radiant has no electric part because it's the same as longitudinal wave so it can't be RF but can decay to RF.
Nevermind, isn't heat also EM radiation ? if most of energy is lost in lower range EM spectrum then there is not much heat generated.

[Aaron]

rf

When I got my first small inductive resistor off ebay and hooked it up. I noticed it was very loud and of course the noise changed with the settings. I used a mechanics stethoscope and most noise was in the coil and over the wire to the mosfet drain.

I also got the high pitch whining directly at the battery terminals. I thought it was at only the negative but it is both.

For a while I was tuning it by sound to get the loudest whining I could get to see if that corresponded to anything. This was a month ago or so.

This sound of course is usually just the wires vibrating from the pulsing magnetic field just like any other coil.

Anyway, I thought it was probably giving a broadband of radio frequency emissions and got a AM radio and the humming was at every frequency and louder at some frequencies.

It has been thought that at higher frequencies the circuit may lose energy to RF but if the radio picks up the whining at any frequency, even lower frequencies (lower frequency of the timer circuit), would that mean the emission of RF is independent of the operating frequency of circuit - it is just there no matter what.

It now appears that this wireless effect is tripping the water heater off...not the main breaker...the reset button at the thermostat. In a straight line through 2 walls, the heater is about 25 feet away. Maybe a sign that I'm in the direction to be heating water soon with this circuit?

As far as any RF emission, at least it is limited to 10's of feet, which is nothing. PART 15 of FCC allows the small AM radio transmitters to broadcast up to 100 or more feet to be received on any AM radio. This Ainslie circuit is transmitting RF at much lower power so I don't think it would be much of an issue. Inside of a water heater tank, I don't see how much can get out for example.

Harvey mentioned this kind of lamp is very sensitive, but it is apparently only sensitive to very specific ranges as it is bombarded by many frequencies but only a certain range gives the effect. This circuit, whatever else is around, emissions from my wireless router, etc...

Last night, on a much lower frequency range, every time I touched the exposed wires on the adjustable inductive resistor and let go, the light would switch to the next setting. It did it over and over but I couldn't repeat it after a while. Anyway, interesting until it gets annoying and jumping into a cold shower isn't fun.

[Harvey]

My advice - get rid of RF but not just of using a filter or screen, try to eliminate it entirely manipulating the circuit elements.RF is what is not allowing OU

Precisely. Find out why its radiating RF and select materials to have that converted to heat instead

[Aaron]

rf

Gains are squashed by any suppression on the circuit at all.

[Harvey]

@Aaron,

IIRC, those lamps essentially tie the base of the lamp to the gate of an FET type one-shot switch. The lamp base is then bled off through about a 10M resistor to ground or neutral. So anything that can elevate the electric field far enough should trigger it.

EDIT: here is a capacitive version: Circuit - 5V CAPACITANCE TOUCH ACTIVATED MOMENTARY SWITCH - Circuits designed by David A. Johnson, P.E.

Is the hot water heater tripping the GFCI? You may be inducing energy to flow in an unbalanced state over there. Very interesting regardless.

Yes - unexpected cold showers can be quite unpleasant...but sometimes useful for waking up after staring at scope traces all day

[witsend]

Boguslaw - Sorry about the delay. I have been thinking about your hypothesis which, I might add, I find very interesting. May I get back to you on this from my little thread on my own model - in due course? I'll copy your post over. Thanks
R

[witsend]

@Aaron,

IIRC, those lamps essentially tie the base of the lamp to the gate of an FET type one-shot switch. The lamp base is then bled off through about a 10M resistor to ground or neutral. So anything that can elevate the electric field far enough should trigger it...

Harvey - where does the signal actually propagate? Can you explain this? I read your link, by the way - and I'm not sure that it's entirely the same thing. But certainly Aaron seems to trigger something when touching the metal on the circuit - at other times with no (edit) 'metal' contact at all? Is it nonetheless the same thing?

[FuzzyTomCat]

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Enjoy and hope to see your replication !!

Best Regards,
Glen