Peter, whatever happened with Eric P. Dollard?

[phi1.62]

phi1.62

you raise an interesting point about startegy of implementation and release of information. I agree that many technologiea and even more knowledge has been hidden away from us (I'd say we have been robbed of it) by corporate interests, but what are we supposed to do instead?

Do you have a clue on how to resolve our current predicament? I freely admit that I surely don't have a clue, if I compare myself to Eric and his knowledge and understanding of Tesla. I might know other things better than Eric, but so what, that does not give me the answer we all seek, which seems to be in Tesla's work.

Hoping that someone will somehow stumble upon a solution is stupidiculous and in this thinking we are no better than peasants in feudal Spain or France of 15th Century who believed the Earth was flat. The fact that we are all "hoping" for a solution to happen is silly, to say the least. Hope is a wish for the future that never comes.

We need to move away from the age of belief to the age of knowing, and since only a few have the "know" we must invest in those individuals. They will in turn teach the rest of us, so everyone else "knows", rather than continuing to believe, as is the case right now.

Hello amigo,

My suggestion that the justification for continuing individual research on the grounds that someone may come up with a solution by accident was probably a poor choice of words. The fact that most of us who are here are pursuing our own research demonstrates that we are not "hoping" for the solution to pop up. While some of us may be wacking parts together in the hope that a method for energy extraction may be discovered I believe that a considerable portion of researchers have justified grounds for the area of energy research they are pursuing based upon the knowledge they have aquired and the discoveries they made during their research. While some of these people may not necessarily be geniuses I don't think that it should be a reason to discourage them from continuing their research on the grounds that there's someone we perceive as being more knowledgable than them in finding a solution. To me that would be like having a brainstorming session with a group of people and allowing only two people in the group to come up with a solution on the grounds that they are the smartest people in the group.

In saying this, I don't disagree that we should invest in the more knowledgable members of the free energy community. The question is are we willing to invest in these individuals? By investing I don't necessarily mean pooling together a large sum of money and giving it to the researcher to buy equipment, I also mean in purchasing their videos and literature. I recall reading on a forum, I can't remember if it was this one or another, which was discussing John Moray's DVD on his father's work. A number of people were outraged that John Moray was charging $40 for the DVD, some accusing him of profiteering on the name of his father. I don't know what John Moray does to develop a better understanding of his father's technology but I would think that $40 is a small price to pay compared to what we would pay for an instrument or materials and while it probably isn't a "how to" guide I trust that John would direct the proceeds of the DVD sales to valid areas. He probably has sold no more than a few hundred copies since it was released so I don't think his intention was to get wealthy off the DVD sales. The same applies to people such as Eric Dollard. If we convinced him to write a new book and kept costs to make the book low would be willing to purchase it?

As for strategies to have these technologies released to public I think I am as much in the dark as you to a possible solution. The factor many of us agree has prevented the release of these technologies has been supression and intimidation of the inventors by certain corporate and government interests. Whether a device is patented or open sourced, even if the device is relatively simple to build, these technologies at some stage are going to have to be mass produced to make a significant impact and that is not possible if your facility is constantly being attacked or the owners are having all sorts of legal challenges thrown at them. Maybe the problem is that we are focused on having these technologies released in western countries where the supressors are located. Perhaps if we focused instead on releasing the technology in a developing country we may be able to release it at a rate that it would make an impact without alerting those who wish to supress it, although there is the issue of corruption and the justice system in those countries. Ultimately, it may required a wealthy individual willing to manufacture hundreds of millions of dollars worth of these devices and give them to the public for free, then charging for the devices thereafter.

[Guest]

diss-emenation

Hello amigo,

My suggestion that the justification for continuing individual research on the grounds that someone may come up with a solution by accident was probably a poor choice of words. The fact that most of us who are here are pursuing our own research demonstrates that we are not "hoping" for the solution to pop up. While some of us may be wacking parts together in the hope that a method for energy extraction may be discovered I believe that a considerable portion of researchers have justified grounds for the area of energy research they are pursuing based upon the knowledge they have aquired and the discoveries they made during their research. While some of these people may not necessarily be geniuses I don't think that it should be a reason to discourage them from continuing their research on the grounds that there's someone we perceive as being more knowledgable than them in finding a solution. To me that would be like having a brainstorming session with a group of people and allowing only two people in the group to come up with a solution on the grounds that they are the smartest people in the group.

In saying this, I don't disagree that we should invest in the more knowledgable members of the free energy community. The question is are we willing to invest in these individuals? By investing I don't necessarily mean pooling together a large sum of money and giving it to the researcher to buy equipment, I also mean in purchasing their videos and literature. I recall reading on a forum, I can't remember if it was this one or another, which was discussing John Moray's DVD on his father's work. A number of people were outraged that John Moray was charging $40 for the DVD, some accusing him of profiteering on the name of his father. I don't know what John Moray does to develop a better understanding of his father's technology but I would think that $40 is a small price to pay compared to what we would pay for an instrument or materials and while it probably isn't a "how to" guide I trust that John would direct the proceeds of the DVD sales to valid areas. He probably has sold no more than a few hundred copies since it was released so I don't think his intention was to get wealthy off the DVD sales. The same applies to people such as Eric Dollard. If we convinced him to write a new book and kept costs to make the book low would be willing to purchase it?

As for strategies to have these technologies released to public I think I am as much in the dark as you to a possible solution. The factor many of us agree has prevented the release of these technologies has been supression and intimidation of the inventors by certain corporate and government interests. Whether a device is patented or open sourced, even if the device is relatively simple to build, these technologies at some stage are going to have to be mass produced to make a significant impact and that is not possible if your facility is constantly being attacked or the owners are having all sorts of legal challenges thrown at them. Maybe the problem is that we are focused on having these technologies released in western countries where the supressors are located. Perhaps if we focused instead on releasing the technology in a developing country we may be able to release it at a rate that it would make an impact without alerting those who wish to supress it, although there is the issue of corruption and the justice system in those countries. Ultimately, it may required a wealthy individual willing to manufacture hundreds of millions of dollars worth of these devices and give them to the public for free, then charging for the devices thereafter.

I diss-agree. It is as simple as education. In order for the truth to be reveiled, open the veil.

If you give a hungry man a fish........

So, teach the principle, which is ludicrously simple, and let everyone build their own things to suit their particular application.

Indeed, there will be somew without the ability, and so, new markets will emerge, but it is the underlying principle of the rotating dipole, and the standing wave amplification process, which is at the heart of Tesla's work, which needs to be proven, and applied, and taught.

Then, there will be no way of stopping that knowledge in this modern age.

And no limits to the devices and their applications.

Daniel.

[Raui]

Daniel requested that the information not yet be posted into public domain but I can tell anyone I like over skype. Anyone interested please give me a personal message

-Raui

[amigo]

I got the same response from Daniel, that I need to use Skype.

I prefer not to use Skype, because I like my semi-privacy. If I have to disclose my appearance and voice over it then that's all gone. And I do not know whether they record and store all communications or not either.

This Skype requirement to communicate is really silly. It's almost like saying "I'll only tell you if you phone me from the public phone across the Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris"... and I'm not even located on that continent.

In any case, I'll continue posting here and if/when this silly Skype requirement is dropped, I'll find out what the "big secret" is, else I'll remain in the dark.

Thanks.

[Guest]

sillyness

I got the same response from Daniel, that I need to use Skype.

I prefer not to use Skype, because I like my semi-privacy. If I have to disclose my appearance and voice over it then that's all gone. And I do not know whether they record and store all communications or not either.

This Skype requirement to communicate is really silly. It's almost like saying "I'll only tell you if you phone me from the public phone across the Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris"... and I'm not even located on that continent.

In any case, I'll continue posting here and if/when this silly Skype requirement is dropped, I'll find out what the "big secret" is, else I'll remain in the dark.

Thanks.

Simplicity is the key here, and I find Skype simple to use, and it provides a good, live, one on one experience, which then enables me to firstly, gauge a person's level of intelligence, secondly, read a person's body language, and third, show sketches and adjust as necessary the order of the concept, to enable the clearest picture I can.

I have held nothing back here, in this thread, or the other, so, if you still don't get it, I am sorry.

Perhaps Raui or someone else I have explained this idea to, has your ear, and can do a better job of it than I, for I seem unable to clearly enunciate myself.

As to the process of developing this spinning dipole, well, that is up to whatever you would like to build, and what you want it to do when it is done.

Daniel.

P.S.

Ever since the invention of the internet, every single dot and dash has been stored, no matter what it was, and everytime you ring a phone number that requires voice operated interaction, your voice print is verified.

Every time you walk into a bank, or make a transaction, your image is recorded.

You are given a Social Security number or whatever code applies in your country, for a reason. Data recall.

In 1988 I think, here in Australia, a central web link database called "tax - net" was turned on, linking every single transaction of data transfer money exchange to the initiating telephone numbers, and thereby, personal information, a kind of reverse engineered tracking system, highly efficient. Able to connect telephone numbers of calls and callers, to source the beginning of money flows, and any large, un - accounted for transactions, or repeated small ones are immediately red flagged as possible black market activities.

No - one does or says or goes anywhere in this technological age without being tracked. Everywhere, emails included. The trick is in not being noticed, before you are able to make a difference. So, any miss-conceptions you may have about your semi - privacy, only plays into their hands, preventing you from grasping the understanding which would set you free.

But that is only my observation, and is based solely on my own data and experience.

[Guest]

Incredulous

I must say, it seems a little strange that no - one has responded to my post.

You are all falling over one another for an answer, or a reasonable explanation, and as soon as someone comes along with one, instead of listening, thinking, and asking questions, as is the way to further knowledge, understanding and wisdom, you have all diss-appeared!!!!!

Does something I say, about the field of energisation seem wrong? If so, tell me so I can understand where my thought patterns are incorrect and remedy them.

Is something I have said offended someone? If so, tell me, so I can set it right.

I thought the idea here was to spread information........I have some, .......something important............that makes sense............that EVERYONE has missed...............and yet, I am ignored.

I don't get it.

I struggle along on my own, trying to apply this information, and yet, if more people had the right information, progress would explode exponentially.

It is astounding that no - one seems to want to go forward.

Daniel.

[amigo]

Daniel,

There's no reason that you gauge any person's level of intelligence or read their body language, in order to pass on this information. Just pass it on.

Further more, you write you struggle to apply this information on your own, yet you are unwilling to work with people to resolve it. Making us do it on your terms and then saying that you are freely and unrestrictedly dissiminating this information is a contradiction.

If you are afraid that your information will be read by the 3rd parties on this forum then why post about it in the first place?

If you believe that someone will evasdrop on whatever information you have, I'l generate a 4096 bit crypt key and send it to you before you send me whatever else back.

Otherwise, if you really want to give us some "free" information please don't put terms and clauses to it, as it stops being free.

[jibbguy]

Hello Daniel.

From my perspective, i would say that nearly every time i have been involved with someone who wanted to tell me some information "off forum", and keep it to myself, it has not turned out well.

One time it was a supposed group of investors in a device who wanted me on-board to help, and i soon figured out that either they were all trying to scam me as some sort of psy-ops game, or all the investors were being scammed by the "Inventor" who was an obvious fraud in any case, imo. I didn't even care which, and just walked away.

Another time the data turned out to be so ridiculous, the person had NO worries of me ever repeating it lol

A couple of times, it was very good data (from a historical research, and not a purely technical aspect)... and i still want to get that data out somehow, because i truly believe it could help the cause. But i promised the people, and it would almost certainly have repercussions against them if i did. I'm still hoping to find solid parallel corroborating data to go along with these things, so i can get them out someday without jeopardizing the original sources... or maybe someday the situations will change, and it can be let out. But some times i wish i never heard it, as it has only been a burden.

So i suspect other people are leery of these kinds of situations for similar reasons.

Many of us here believe Open Sourcing EVERYTHING is the best method of beating suppression, and getting rid of oil. In most cases (unless you already got the US Federal gag order), it is also the BEST method of insuring personal safety... Keeping it to yourself makes it easy to suppress.

And i realize many good folks who have seen what can happen, don't want to deal with the attacks from the ignorant naysayers and malicious shills, as we often see in other forums.

But folks should also realize that is a major INTENT of those tactics... To stink it up so bad no one wants to bother. And it would be a shame to let such "people" get their way... they can just be ignored.

Releasing information is a personal choice, and i KNOW this is not a game we play here, it is very serious stuff. So i wouldn't judge folks on this (...until they ask for money anyway lol, then they are "fair game" )

But i guess the point is, many of us would urge you to simply reveal the information here. There are lots of good folks on this forum, who really know their stuff. There are no guarantees that everyone will agree with you or "like" it. But you will find there is much less mindless naysaying here than in other places

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answers

Thank you Peter for taking the time to take pictures of the device. Was the air capacitor Chris used one which could spin freely or did he need to modify it? Or did he build the capacitor from scratch?

Hello Daniel.

From my perspective, i would say that nearly every time i have been involved with someone who wanted to tell me some information "off forum", and keep it to myself, it has not turned out well.

One time it was a supposed group of investors in a device who wanted me on-board to help, and i soon figured out that either they were all trying to scam me as some sort of psy-ops game, or all the investors were being scammed by the "Inventor" who was an obvious fraud in any case, imo. I didn't even care which, and just walked away.

Another time the data turned out to be so ridiculous, the person had NO worries of me ever repeating it lol

A couple of times, it was very good data (from a historical research, and not a purely technical aspect)... and i still want to get that data out somehow, because i truly believe it could help the cause. But i promised the people, and it would almost certainly have repercussions against them if i did. I'm still hoping to find solid parallel corroborating data to go along with these things, so i can get them out someday without jeopardizing the original sources... or maybe someday the situations will change, and it can be let out. But some times i wish i never heard it, as it has only been a burden.

So i suspect other people are leery of these kinds of situations for similar reasons.

Many of us here believe Open Sourcing EVERYTHING is the best method of beating suppression, and getting rid of oil. In most cases (unless you already got the US Federal gag order), it is also the BEST method of insuring personal safety... Keeping it to yourself makes it easy to suppress.

And i realize many good folks who have seen what can happen, don't want to deal with the attacks from the ignorant naysayers and malicious shills, as we often see in other forums.

But folks should also realize that is a major INTENT of those tactics... To stink it up so bad no one wants to bother. And it would be a shame to let such "people" get their way... they can just be ignored.

Releasing information is a personal choice, and i KNOW this is not a game we play here, it is very serious stuff. So i wouldn't judge folks on this (...until they ask for money anyway lol, then they are "fair game" )

But i guess the point is, many of us would urge you to simply reveal the information here. There are lots of good folks on this forum, who really know their stuff. There are no guarantees that everyone will agree with you or "like" it. But you will find there is much less mindless naysaying here than in other places

This is all well and good.

I have no intention or desire to lead anyone astray with shills or scams.

I simply want clarification from you as to where the confusion is.

So, which part of what I have already described has you confused?

Daniel.

[Inquorate]

It is a great leap to achieve understanding, and an ever greater leap to apply that understanding.

@ daniel, I believe I understand what you are saying and believe I am already in agreement with your ideas. How to apply the idea beyond the thought-experiment stage will take time.

I spent 6 months telling the same story on this forum, and not until I built a device that worked on the principle did I begin to receive feedback indicating that others were understanding.

It took me 2 years to learn and observe enough to build the concepts to enable me to understand the principles that have led me to my current series of experiments.

These things take time, and we need to be responsible for our own ideas.

As the saying goes, ''teach a man to fish'', not, ''speak of how one might fish''.

With all due love and respect,
Ben

[Dollard, E. P. (N6KPH)]

[Slovenia]

Very Nice To Hear From You!!



It is so very nice to hear from you sir!!

[Slovenia]

Wow Eric

Hi Eric,

I don't blame you for being quite ticked off. That was quite a story you shared with all of us. It was great to hear from you and great to read what you shared. I wish you only the best in all your endeavors. I am very sorry you were treated so poorly. You are one of the good guys that is for sure.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

[Michael John Nunnerley]

N6KPH de G4GVA

Welcome Eric, I know how you feel



Mike, G4GVA.

[yoyo]

Great!

Great update! Thanks Eric, we've been hoping you would survive,


...and even hoping you would finish the book you were working on!


Now maybe the Navy will give you a big contract to put all your work together!