Space / Counter-space & Electricity / Di(a)electricity

[trahedron]

Can someone provide a clear definition and example(s) of Space vs Counter-space and Electricity vs Dielectricity?

Any explanations in your own way of understanding it is certainly welcome!

Some friends and I have had quite the debate about this and it seems that every time we think we have it, something throws a wrench into the concepts. I thought it might be beneficial if we can get a solid definition down for these especially after their usage in the last conference by Eric.

That was a nice presentation by the way Eric, but it definitely left some of us hanging at the end as far as wanting more tie-in and clarity, especially regarding the (a)ether!

[spacecase0]

I have looked in to this lots as well,
as far as I can tell there are a few things they use for each term,
seems to be confused and muddled in there minds as well

the other thing I see is that they define the terms referencing other undefined terms in a circular way,
at least they need to go back to actual physical experiments or concepts if anyone else is to understand this mess

[trahedron]

So after digging a bit more, I think we need to really study Rudolf Steiner, George Adams and Louis Locher-Ernst to come to a full understanding of counter space.

Just stumbled across this page on counter space.

Regarding dielectricity, I have, I believe, at least come to the conclusion that dielectric material would be material that can retain charge, but is traditionally considered an insulator. Eg. ceramic and water (pure water). I need to dig a bit more into this to really work out a proper "definition".

I will be looking more closely at this in the near term and if anyone has any additional insight or input, please feel free to chime in.

[mikrovolt]

The proposition of an ideal insulator supports a jaded view of how the properties of dielectric materials separate charge.

The variety of dielectric materials have a continuum of K values.
Some have a strong affinity for positive charges some for negative and others
in between.

For a specific dielectric under specific conditions a variety of paths and barriers exhibit geometries giving rise to various transformations. When these transformations happen
within a negative resistance region a quantum mechanical event outside our physical dimension is thought to be that path.

[spacecase0]

The proposition of an ideal insulator supports a jaded view of how the properties of dielectric materials separate charge.

The variety of dielectric materials have a continuum of K values.
Some have a strong affinity for positive charges some for negative and others
in between.

For a specific dielectric under specific conditions a variety of paths and barriers exhibit geometries giving rise to various transformations. When these transformations happen
within a negative resistance region a quantum mechanical event outside our physical dimension is thought to be that path.

reading that makes me want to make capacitors with 2 dielectrics, one on each plate, then test the K value, and then reverse the polarity on the capacitor and then test the K value again
if they are not the same, it might verify that idea

[trahedron]

Space and Counterspace: A New Science of Gravity, Time and Light

Nick C. Thomas has a very interesting book titled "Space and Counterspace: A New Science of Gravity, Time and Light"

In it he gives the most rigorous explanation of counterspace that I have encountered hitherto now. He has another book that apparently goes much more in-depth and I will be looking forward to reading that in the near future, but I wanted to include an excerpt here for everyone's review as I think it will bear some fruit for our ability to understand counterspace:

There is more and I will attempt to transcribe this further and edit this post once I have time so to do. I believe that this information is actionable and of value and welcome any input on the perceptions that this may assist with. I think it would be of further value if we could illustrate this or create additional (friendly) analogies that would be more approachable.

[trahedron]

Projective Geometry: Creative Polarities in Space and Time

Just an interesting term that has been thrown about as well for Counterspace by the fascinating author of Uncovering the Missing Secrets of Magnetism:

"Unmanifest and unmodulated inertia."

(That playlist is incomplete, but the most convenient collection of videos to consume by him that I've found pre-rolled.)

This is a really good book to use in conjunction with the work of Nick Thomas when trying to really rein in an understanding of counterspace:
Projective Geometry: Creative Polarities in Space and Time

While it seems that some believe that there is no way to conceptualize or represent counterspace with geometry, these authors, who are advanced students of Rudolf Steiner's school of thought, seem to have the keys. I find this interesting of course in conjunction with Eric's observations and remarks, especially in his presentation from this past July. In Nick Thomas' book, he draws some remarkable conclusions about the interconnectedness of space and counterspace and just how that occurs. It has serious implications on how we can therefore take advantage of this and its unfolding geometry while bringing it into quantifiable scientific research.

[trahedron]

Nick Thomas, in "Science Between Space and Counterspace: Exploring the Significance of Negative Space" says,

"Steiner reported that in a higher state of consciousness a different kind of space is experienced that is polar opposite to our ordinary Euclidean one. Such a consciousness looks in from the periphery towards an unreachable inwardness in contrast to our normal consciousness which looks out from a centre towards an unreachable outwardness, i.e. towards an outer infinity."

[mikrovolt]

What is counterspace ?

Nick Thomas, in "Science Between Space and Counterspace: Exploring the Significance of Negative Space" says,

To set straight what Eric Dollard said. To try to get counterspace to show on search engines.

What is counter space (counterspace) def reference to lecture Eric Dollard - Origin of Energy Synthesis

https://youtu.be/cCJcU7INwnU?t=4537

An example: Such as the space between molecules in a transistor.

[ricards]

negative space?.. counterspace? why complicate things?..
the word 'negative' and 'counter' has meaning IMO that will just complicate "The concept"...
It you would look at it really it is just and still 'space' its just that you have a determined boundary.. and you had an 'Inside Space' based on that boundary and an 'Outer Space' based on that boundary .. in reality its still space.. you can define your boundary as small as those molecules or anything smaller than it, and still have 'space'.. no one can really define the smallest..

I agree with most eric dollard concepts but not all.. one is the adaptation of this 'Counterspace'..

[Kokomoj0]

negative space?.. counterspace? why complicate things?..
the word 'negative' and 'counter' has meaning IMO that will just complicate "The concept"...
It you would look at it really it is just and still 'space' its just that you have a determined boundary.. and you had an 'Inside Space' based on that boundary and an 'Outer Space' based on that boundary .. in reality its still space.. you can define your boundary as small as those molecules or anything smaller than it, and still have 'space'.. no one can really define the smallest..

I agree with most eric dollard concepts but not all.. one is the adaptation of this 'Counterspace'..

I have never been able to make any sense out of it or find a useful purpose for it. If anyone can I'd enjoy looking it over. Meantime here is what borderlands has to say about it.

THE IDEA OF COUNTERSPACE – Borderlands

[Kokomoj0]

reading that makes me want to make capacitors with 2 dielectrics, one on each plate, then test the K value, and then reverse the polarity on the capacitor and then test the K value again
if they are not the same, it might verify that idea

here is an interesting capacitor demonstration

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ckpQW9sdUg

The charge does not build up on the plates

here is one for the 'Dia-"

http://server17.how-why.com/blog/DiaElectricSimplyComplex.pdf

[ricards]

I have never been able to make any sense out of it or find a useful purpose for it. If anyone can I'd enjoy looking it over. Meantime here is what borderlands has to say about it.

THE IDEA OF COUNTERSPACE – Borderlands

thanks for the link but It's just as I said, the Idea of Negative or Counter space just complicate things..
quoting from that link

Let us now try to picture the properties of the negative or counter-Euclidean type of space. The first thing to observe is that such a space is determined by a point-at-in-finity (the counterpart of the plane-at-infinity on which Euclidean space depends). A point-at-infinity is, then, the Absolute of this space, by which is meant a point functioning mathematically as infinitely distant—but not necessarily (and this is important) in the infinitely distant plane of ordinary Euclidean space. Conceivably, no doubt, the point-at-infinity of a negative space might also be infinitely distant in the space of Euclid, but it need not be so; above all, it will not be so in our present context, where this geometry is related to the living, germinating processes which develop on the Earth

maybe I just don't get it.. or that they can't explain it very well..

how can someone define a point at Infinity?... or a plane at infinity..
I don't Understand the author's "Point" .

eric dollard explained the simplicity of the counterspace very well IMO.
"Lines Between a Ruler"

in "Centi"meters the counter space is measured in Per Centimeters while space is measured in "Milli" Meters...
in "Milli"meters the counter space is measured in Per Millimeters while space is measured in "Micro" Meters.. and so on up to where someone brain can think of....

so why call it "Counter" Space or "Negative" Space if its not really a negative or an opposite(counter), if its not the opposite..

another example is A 240 cm^3 glass filled with water..
the glass is "Full" and no more 'space' for additional water, there is a 240 cm^3 of water in a 240 cm^3 of space
the density of water is 1g/cm^3, there is 1 gram of water PER cubic centimeter of 'space'.

they are not really opposite...
in a sense we are actually already using the concept of "Counterspace" but it is much much better if we don't call it that..

[Kokomoj0]

thanks for the link but It's just as I said, the Idea of Negative or Counter space just complicate things..
quoting from that link


maybe I just don't get it.. or that they can't explain it very well..

how can someone define a point at Infinity?... or a plane at infinity..
I don't Understand the author's "Point" .

eric dollard explained the simplicity of the counterspace very well IMO.
"Lines Between a Ruler"

in "Centi"meters the counter space is measured in Per Centimeters while space is measured in "Milli" Meters...
in "Milli"meters the counter space is measured in Per Millimeters while space is measured in "Micro" Meters.. and so on up to where someone brain can think of....

you wont get any argument from me on that

Remember the LC transmission lines Eric taped, two types, series C and series L, well he referred to the series C as the counter space of the series L if that helps.

Like you I see no purpose for it.

[Sputins]

eric dollard explained the simplicity of the counterspace very well IMO.
"Lines Between a Ruler"

So why call it "Counter" Space or "Negative" Space if its not really a negative or an opposite(counter), if its not the opposite..

another example is A 240 cm^3 glass filled with water..
the glass is "Full" and no more 'space' for additional water, there is a 240 cm^3 of water in a 240 cm^3 of space
the density of water is 1g/cm^3, there is 1 gram of water PER cubic centimeter of 'space'.

they are not really opposite...
in a sense we are actually already using the concept of "Counterspace" but it is much much better if we don't call it that..