Relaxation Time and Semiconductors

[alvarohn]

Relaxation Time: The time it takes for the free electrons in a conductor (or material) to reach the skin of the wire after potential is applied, is, of course, called the relaxation time. During that time, the free electrons in the gas are "trapped" insofar as producing current (dissipation of the potential) is concerned. However, immediately after the relaxation time ends, current begins and dissipation of the trapped energy begins.
In copper, the relaxation time is incredibly rapid. It's about 1.5 x 10-19 sec. However, in quartz it is about 10 days! So as you can see, we need to get somewhere in between these two values, and so we will have to "mix" or "dope" materials. We must get a sufficiently long relaxation time so that we can switch and collect comfortably in cycle one, then switch into cycle two for dispersion of the freely collected energy in the collector. However, the relaxation time we get must also be short enough to allow quick discharge in the load, as soon as we switch the primary source away from the collector. Actually, we need a degenerate semiconductor material instead of plain copper.

that is from Tom Bearden's Final secret of free energy.

Could a very thin PVC Fluid Hose filled with salt water serve as a conductor with slow relaxation time?

I mean, 100 ft of 1 mm PVC FLUID HOSE filled with salt water. winded like a coil. and then we pulse that water coil in bedini fashion.

I am too crazy? or it is a good idea?

best,

Alvaro H

[boguslaw]

Relaxation Time: The time it takes for the free electrons in a conductor (or material) to reach the skin of the wire after potential is applied, is, of course, called the relaxation time. During that time, the free electrons in the gas are "trapped" insofar as producing current (dissipation of the potential) is concerned. However, immediately after the relaxation time ends, current begins and dissipation of the trapped energy begins.
In copper, the relaxation time is incredibly rapid. It's about 1.5 x 10-19 sec. However, in quartz it is about 10 days! So as you can see, we need to get somewhere in between these two values, and so we will have to "mix" or "dope" materials. We must get a sufficiently long relaxation time so that we can switch and collect comfortably in cycle one, then switch into cycle two for dispersion of the freely collected energy in the collector. However, the relaxation time we get must also be short enough to allow quick discharge in the load, as soon as we switch the primary source away from the collector. Actually, we need a degenerate semiconductor material instead of plain copper.

that is from Tom Bearden's Final secret of free energy.

Could a very thin PVC Fluid Hose filled with salt water serve as a conductor with slow relaxation time?

I mean, 100 ft of 1 mm PVC FLUID HOSE filled with salt water. winded like a coil. and then we pulse that water coil in bedini fashion.

I am too crazy? or it is a good idea?

best,

Alvaro H

Very good idea ! But..... I believe Tesla used it first Search for his capacitor patent with salt solution as electrode !

[alvarohn]

saline solution coil

hi tnx for the reply

I was not aware of that patent but I was thinking in something diferent.

What I was thinking was:

if we pulse a coil we can gather radiant energy (tnx John Bedini!!!)

if we could pulse fast enough we could avoid the electrons to be "spent"

so our pulse time has to be the same or less than the time the electrons need to travel trough our coil.

But that times depends on the conductivity of our coilś wire..

I bet that a saline solution coil haves less conductivity than cooper wire

so we could take 100 ft of very thin hollowed plastic tube and fill it with saline solution, twist it like a coil and pulse it.!!!!!

It makes sense???

Best

Alvaro

[Savvypro]

The patent numbers for Tesla's Electrical Condensers are:

464,667 - 1891 - Electrical Condenser (oil condenser)
567,818 - 1896 - Electrical Condenser (salt solution one)
577,671 - 1897 - Manufacture of Electrical Condensers, Coils,

@alvarohn
It's not a crazy idea, as in one of Tesla’s patents, he actually mentions that he observed some interesting phenomena when he tested water, salt water and ice.
Although he only covers the use of ICE as an insulator. A later patent covers using liquid oxygen for gaining supper conductor properties in the conductors. Cooling the conductors lowers the resistance, while heat increases it.

[alvarohn]

bad idea lol

Ok it was a bad idea,

I mixed some salt and water, and placed one drop over the table, and then I measured the resistance of that little drop of salt water, and it was a lot!! lol!!!

then I tried to run a fan with a battery with the circuit going through the drop of water, and the electrolysis started.

so salt water as "doped semiconductor" was a bad idea.

=(

best,

Alvaro

[Slider2732]

That would be normal for constant current perhaps - but - how about pulsed or radiant ?

You may find a difference if you use a Bedini pulser, if you have one.
Or, perhaps run 1 connection for an LED through the water, using a Joule Thief and see what happens

If the current never has a chance to build up, then, in my theory anyway, it can't begin an electrolysis process. If such an idea worked, you could change the pulse width with a 555 timer method and see where the best bang for the buck was. A certain frequency at a certain duty cycle would be great to ascertain anyway, for the looped up water coil.

A pills bottle of water without salt will give approx 0.6V @ 2mA, using burnt copper and galvanized steel electrodes. So it's not like the water will form too massive a resistance if it can generate power as is !
You may find that if your input to the coil is made of one metal and the output made of another, that the system could hold great promise

[alvarohn]

ok I would have to try then.

I'm going to make 555 SS SSG. so I can use that circuit to try to pulse water.

isn't any liquid more conducive than salt water but less than cooper?? I say liquid because is easy to put it in a very thin hose and make a coil with that liquid conductor.

best

Alvaro

That would be normal for constant current perhaps - but - how about pulsed or radiant ?

You may find a difference if you use a Bedini pulser, if you have one.
Or, perhaps run 1 connection for an LED through the water, using a Joule Thief and see what happens

If the current never has a chance to build up, then, in my theory anyway, it can't begin an electrolysis process. If such an idea worked, you could change the pulse width with a 555 timer method and see where the best bang for the buck was. A certain frequency at a certain duty cycle would be great to ascertain anyway, for the looped up water coil.

A pills bottle of water without salt will give approx 0.6V @ 2mA, using burnt copper and galvanized steel electrodes. So it's not like the water will form too massive a resistance if it can generate power as is !
You may find that if your input to the coil is made of one metal and the output made of another, that the system could hold great promise

[Slider2732]

Yeah, it'll be less effective as a wire than copper, but that's not what we're after.
In effect, the fastest switch is what I believe you want ? The charge and collapse time of the water should, perhaps, feasibly, hopefully (lol) be practically zero. Also, no radiated magnetism.

Hmm, i've had great success with Alum and rainwater as a battery electrolyte. It charges well. Do we want a storage charge or a flat zero, a fast rise and collapse being negated with a chargeable medium ? I dunno which would be best for energy transmission at fast rates.