3 Battery Generating System

[Turion]

Well,...my Mother in Law LOVES me, my wife just GOT a raise, and I don't really CARE about my bald spot (since I don't have to look at it) so I'm just hoping for that breakthrough!!

Dave

[fathershand]

Lol

Well,...my Mother in Law LOVES me, my wife just GOT a raise, and I don't really CARE about my bald spot (since I don't have to look at it) so I'm just hoping for that breakthrough!!

Dave

You see there. It's already working!!

[clueless]

The results of today's experiments

I had a tough long today, no water pressure and a stopped up kitchen sink drain to deal with. The water pressure was an easy fix, all it needed was filing the contact on the pump pressure switch. The drain is a different story as we wrapped up about 11pm tonight and only some progress.
My friend who came up to help me with the water stuff also came to look at the 3BGS running.
I haven't done anything with it since Tuesday because my "bench" is an outdoor one that I need to keep covered to keep out moisture.
I substuited the electronic inverter for an electric one that likes any voltage you throw at it, from up to 20 volts and down to 6 volts. We were able to run the inverter and up to 40 watts off the A1. We were able to stabilize the amp draw at 5.5 on both the motor and the inverter. We were also able to stabilize the amp draw on the generator running two 12 volt bulbs at 2.7 amps and 13.2 volts running a 1:1 ratio gear.
If I'm not mistaken the wattage was even across the draw on the motor and inverter and the generator output.
We run this setup for between an hour and hour and half with no observable loss in the P1 or P2, though I did not check the voltage before starting. P2 ran though at just under 10 volts, normally it rests at 12.5. As I say my bad I didn't check it before starting it is possible after sitting for 3 days it may have lost some charge. P2 is a smaller battery than P1 and overall not as well suited. P1 though ran at 12.5 and on stooping quicky moved up to 12.8. Normall this battery holds at 13 volts. It is conceviable that this being a different kind of inverter affected P2 differently or that it was weak to start with.
Bottom line is after balancing we ran about an hour drawing 35 watts through the inverter and 35 watts through the generator ,70 watts total, with no observable loss in the primaries. I did notice the more load we placed on the generator the more it produced, so it stands to reason using Matts diode you can charge a battery or a bank. And the motor only got warm to the touch and the generator stayed cold.
Tomorrow while I do so plumbing and haul off trash, I will put these batteries on charge and run more tests on Sunday weather permitting.
If possible and the volts on P2 stays down I may try and hook the generator to it, because it seems to me that keeping up the volts to A1, I can load the inverter more with the generator producing more as needed. And who knows I may blow up a battery.
I am tickled with these results as at one time we had 2 12 volt bulbs, and 3 110 volt lights working at once.

[blackchisel97]

My motor finally arrived. A bit smaller than I imagined but it has brushes, runs from 12V @ 0.9A up to max. 30V @ 4.4A.
I hooked up without the "wings" since I don't have any dead enough, yet.
Motor wasn't moving but I gained 0.01V on primaries during 1hr just sitting connected. As a Batt 3 (A2) I used 7Ah I just found in a ditch. It has no fluid and some rattling pieces inside. I added water and got 3.8V. After 1hr run I didn't loose anything from P1/P2 and A2 got up to 10V. I tried 5W load and I was able to keep voltage across A2 within 14.5 - 15V. I need to find some more dead ones or maybe make couple low V cells.
Will try to get something tomorrow.

clueless - it looks like a very good run
Cheers

Vtech

[Turion]

clueless,
Sounds good man. What did your friend think of the 3BGS? LOL. I showed someone new yesterday. It was pretty funny. He use could not believe it and is going to build his own just to see if I am pulling his leg. I let him take all the measurements he wanted. I just showed him the basic setup with balanced loads running and pulling nothing from the primaries. I think he STILL thinks I tricked him somehow.

blackchisel97,
Sounds like yo are on your way. I hope you have as much fun with this as I have had. We're gonna figure this thing out yet.

Luther has a couple friends who might join us. We can sure use some more people building and testing. It makes it harder and harder for someone to come in here and tell us this thing isn't real when we have so many people getting positive results.

Dave

[mbrownn]

Hi guys, sorry for not posting for a while, I have had other things to do like work don,t you just hate that.

Anyway one of my motorcycles has a battery that is down on one cell and wont charge up fully, I would normally put it on an SSG to bring it back but decided to charge it with a normal battery charger using a 12v 36w DC motor in the positive line and yes the motor is running away happily and the battery is recovering. No its not as efficient as a Bedini but it is simple and cheap to do.

I took some scope readings and found them to be similar to a post early on in this thread and started to think about this 3 battery system http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post182414

I don't think the dead battery is required at all. We could put any load in its place as long as we limit the current from the source. The trick would be to have sufficient draw to run your loads while having enough back spikes to keep your primaries charged.

I do think my explanation http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post182488 still stands as far as what is going on..

what we need to do is maintain the rise in voltage on the source and keep those backspikes.

[Turion]

Try replacing the bad battery with a capacitor and resistor in series of just enough resistance to allow the motor to turn, In parallel to the resistor you want to put a diode blocking the direction of flow of current but allowing the back-spikes to bypass the resistor. The diode need to be very low forward voltage and fast switching. The output load wants to be matched so that the voltage drop on the source is not too much. an additional diode opposing the current in parallel to this load will help too.

Another trick would be to run a diode from the output side of the motor back to the source anode in addition to my first mod.

Somewhere i have a simulation of a modern motor if i can find it I will post a link with the circuit

I'm not sure that anybody has tried this yet, which might help to confirm your theory. DId you ever post the circuit? I don't remember seeing it.

Dave

[fathershand]

Inverter Load

I substuited the electronic inverter for an electric one that likes any voltage you throw at it, from up to 20 volts and down to 6 volts. We were able to run the inverter and up to 40 watts off the A1. ...

Clueless, thanks for using the latest designations for the batteries.

The schematic shows the inverter powered from the A2. Did you mean to say A2?
Thanks
Tony

[fathershand]

A Test?

Try replacing the bad battery with a capacitor and resistor in series of just enough resistance to allow the motor to turn, In parallel to the resistor you want to put a diode blocking the direction of flow of current but allowing the back-spikes to bypass the resistor. The diode need to be very low forward voltage and fast switching. The output load wants to be matched so that the voltage drop on the source is not too much. an additional diode opposing the current in parallel to this load will help too.

mbrownn, would you mind providing a schematic of this, please?

Has anyone actually tested this idea?

Tony

[clueless]

I'm behing the curve

I am still using the origional 3BGS schematic that uses one A not 3 like the latest. I had a blind spot doing the actual wiring for Matt's schematic until I went and saw my friend last week and he sat me down and physcially showed me where the wiring went. He and I thought using this old-type inverter that doesn't care about voltage accomplishes similar results.
I had a brain lapse from open-heart surgery a few years ago and sequencing is where one of the glitches shows and adding in a different wiring type from the bat cables was messing with me.
But as the father used to say on "Night Court", "I'm much better now."
-Clueless

Clueless, thanks for using the latest designations for the batteries.

The schematic shows the inverter powered from the A2. Did you mean to say A2?
Thanks
Tony

[clueless]

LOL you have to know my friend

to understand his reaction. He is very understated but the fact that he came yesterday to help with my water problems (no water and a clogged drain) and the 1st thing he wanted to do is fire up the 3BGS, take measurements, stabilize the system and let it run while we worked on the other stuff tells me more than any words could.
He thinks what is happening is that it is an inductive/capactive circuit that is gently rocking back and forth seeking balance ( An open-loop tank circuit?). I also think he thinks the A is acting as (my brain won't tell me the word) but my closest thought is adjustable capactior. That is my understanding and may not totally reflect what he said.
He is very much into solar and I think is focused using this to charge battery banks with...at least initially. It is also possible that he is not telling me all he thinks because he knows I have a tendency to climb into the clouds and linger and he is keeping me grounded to reality.

clueless,
Sounds good man. What did your friend think of the 3BGS? LOL. I showed someone new yesterday. It was pretty funny. He use could not believe it and is going to build his own just to see if I am pulling his leg. I let him take all the measurements he wanted. I just showed him the basic setup with balanced loads running and pulling nothing from the primaries. I think he STILL thinks I tricked him somehow.

blackchisel97,
Sounds like yo are on your way. I hope you have as much fun with this as I have had. We're gonna figure this thing out yet.

Luther has a couple friends who might join us. We can sure use some more people building and testing. It makes it harder and harder for someone to come in here and tell us this thing isn't real when we have so many people getting positive results.

Dave

[fathershand]

Accumulator - Stores R.E.

I also think he thinks the A is acting as (my brain won't tell me the word) but ...

The word you want is accumulator.
Tony

[clueless]

Variable capacitor

that was the word I was searching for.

The word you want is accumulator.
Tony

[Turion]

I keep a journal of everything that is going on here on the forum and in what i am doing down in my basement. When there is something important I will circle it in red, and I go back and read all those marked things every weekend so that nothing will slip through the cracks. ..

Like mbrownn's ideas on the placement of diodes and resisters.

Lke the fact that Matt got the basic setup to run the motor and increase the voltage on the primaries just by pulsing a resister across battery three (the bad battery in the original 3 battery configuration) which would be A2 now, though without the A1 and the A3. And that he moved on from that because he thought the inverter was doing the same kind of pulsing.

But what if we put a rotor on the motor shaft with a magnet on it and used a reed switch to pulse the resister across the battery? Try it with one magnet, then two, then three, etc. until we get to the point where we can figure out the best performance for our motor at the rpm's it wants to run. What if that's ALL we have to do to get the motor to run a generator as load without reducing the primaries... or maybe we run some kind of motor off battery three that uses sits own rotation to make and break resistance across battery three.

Just ideas I am going to try

Dave

[Matthew Jones]

I got similar plan and I may set it up tomorrow, if time allows.

Matt