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[larryross]

Hello Larry,

Thanks, I knew what your questions were...
Now going to Coil...please measure first start and end terminals resistance, before winding...making sure you will have over one ohm resistance.
Second, use a core that will allow you to add later on another finer wire secondary core within...a 2 inches are a great diameter for this...

Regards

Ufopolitics

Finer wire secondary would indicate to me that you expect to get much less current out of the secondary (I thought small power in and big power out not just small voltage in and big voltage out)... so where do we pick up a usable out put current to drive a load?
I thought that would come with the radiant in the secondary coil.
Sorry for all the questions again... just trying to keep things straight in my head.

Regards
Larry

[Ufopolitics]

Larry...

Thanks Guys
You have answered what I already know and stated in my question, but UFO got closest. I was really asking about the ratio difference of the magnetic field in comparison between the 2 winds With the same current. I know it will increase simply from being able to get more current (current x number of winds) with less voltage, but that is an efficiency issue.
I have 2 14 foot lengths of 25 strand 22AWG magnetic wire bundled and ready to wind. I had considered using a 2" core, but since the wire is already cut, I figured I it would be better to use a smaller diameter core so I can get more turns for the length of wire. Thoughts?

Regards
Larry

Hello Larry,

Thanks, I knew what your questions were...
Now going to Coil...please measure first start and end terminals resistance, before winding...making sure you will have over one ohm resistance.
Second, use a core that will allow you to add later on another finer wire secondary core within...a 2 inches are a great diameter for this...

Regards

Ufopolitics

[larryross]

Thanks Guys
You have answered what I already know and stated in my question, but UFO got closest. I was really asking about the ratio difference of the magnetic field in comparison between the 2 winds With the same current. I know it will increase simply from being able to get more current (current x number of winds) with less voltage, but that is an efficiency issue.
I have 2 14 foot lengths of 25 strand 22AWG magnetic wire bundled and ready to wind. I had considered using a 2" core, but since the wire is already cut, I figured I it would be better to use a smaller diameter core so I can get more turns for the length of wire. Thoughts?

Regards
Larry

[Ufopolitics]

@Iankoglin

Hello Ian,

In your Regulator, according to LM317 it is suppose to output somwhere around 12.80 V or so...Yours is outputting only 11 something...chack it...check that your voltage regulator does not dropp to lower values under load, that is very important to check...so add to it a 12 volt bulb, and watch it.
Second, the diodes at 555 (legs 6-7) between pot should be 1N4148 or similar, they are signal diodes...and I see a couple of big body rectifiers (like the NTE576) that are "too heavy" for that job...should use the crystal smaller ones since this side is low voltage...

That is so far what I see...

Regards


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

555 Timer...

G'Day UFO et al
I have finished re building my coil By adding another 4 layers/Strands I configured as per my Option 1
The secondary I have set out nearest the core being 5 strands measured with digital multimeter.87Ohms and the analogue meter set zero before measurement 1Ohm
The primary coil is the last 7 strands closest to the core they measured with the digital meter is 1.43 with the analogue meter is 2 Ohms
My setup is here
http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/...s/IMG_0653.jpg

I tested the Oscillator before connecting to the coil I did this by using a small SLAB 12.98v connected to the voltage regulator

You can see the the Voltage regulator works input 12 96v output is 11.39 it is here
http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/...s/IMG_0656.jpg

The 555 Oscillator which does not seem to work is here
http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/...s/IMG_0655.jpg

I tested it by applying the 12.98v to the Regulator the output going to the input of the Oscillator which is 11.39v I set the digital multimeter to hertz and then the duty cycle but on each occasion it did not show anything

I checked all components starting with the pot it was OK then going from each leg of the timer I checked for continuity by reading the ohms to each component right through each wire land they all checked OK The value of the diodes, the ones from legs 6,7 were both 475 and the one parallel with the missing Movistor is 441

The lands even though they seem to be broken that is because the wire land's are woven through the board to steady them.

I really do not know where to or how to check the operation of the 555 timer (it was a new one)
I would appreciate some help as to what I can do
Kindest regards

Hello Ian,

According to the picture of Oscillator close up...I do not see you are connecting leg 8 to Vcc Positive 12V?, I only see the Tantalum cap connected to earth (ground). I see you have pin 1 to ground, and I also see Pin 4 getting Vcc positive from regulator from R68...but can not see positive from regulator feeding the 555 Leg 8. Could you tell me about this?


Regards


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

Bifilar Coils...

Hello all
There is one thing I never fully understood about winding mulitfilar. If you wind 100 turns of quadfilar and you connect them parallel, will you have the magnet field of 100 turns or of 400 turns assuming the same current in each coil. This should allow you to put more total current through the winding than if you wound 400 turns of singlefilar and with lower voltage, because the 400 turn single winding would have higher resistance. Anyone have any info on this or a link.

Larry

Hello Larry,

First, Thanks John Stone for your great posts, I like your reasoning, your logic analysis, is excellent, I just will love to see thousands of John Stones around this Planet and basically in this Thread.

Larry, like I mentioned before to you...think first on the Electromagnetic field...
When you wind multiple (more than one) strands of wire, you reduce resistance, that is a fact of normal electricity simple calculation...But, mainly you increase the Magnetic Field Potential in each turn, by several conductors simultaneously pulsing out the same direction,the projected field gets to be sent to space in a larger and stronger spectrum, and using very little resistance, which means much less expense on our side, and that is a great advantage to any of our OU developments.


Regards


Ufopolitics

[iankoglin]

Coil Strands in parrallel

Hello all
There is one thing I never fully understood about winding mulitfilar. If you wind 100 turns of quadfilar and you connect them parallel, will you have the magnet field of 100 turns or of 400 turns assuming the same current in each coil. This should allow you to put more total current through the winding than if you wound 400 turns of singlefilar and with lower voltage, because the 400 turn single winding would have higher resistance. Anyone have any info on this or a link.

Larry

G'Day Larry
If you wind a multifilar coil and measure the ohms for each strand they will be the same value, now if you now solder them together all the strands at each end and then measure the Ohms they will be less Ohms they are calculated the same as parallel resistors there is less resistance and the current can flow much faster.
On my Rick's 10 coiler I did this with the total 79 strands on the 10 coils and the ohms was less than 0.05 Ohms( John Bedidn says that the ohms of the sum of all the coils should be = or lower than the battery resistance and it would seem like a dead short)

Regards

[iankoglin]

Kogs new setup

Also all my next coils will be wound contiguausly not as single strands

G'Day UFO et al
I have finished re building my coil By adding another 4 layers/Strands I configured as per my Option 1
The secondary I have set out nearest the core being 5 strands measured with digital multimeter.87Ohms and the analogue meter set zero before measurement 1Ohm
The primary coil is the last 7 strands closest to the core they measured with the digital meter is 1.43 with the analogue meter is 2 Ohms
My setup is here
http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/...s/IMG_0653.jpg

I tested the Oscillator before connecting to the coil I did this by using a small SLAB 12.98v connected to the voltage regulator

You can see the the Voltage regulator works input 12 96v output is 11.39 it is here
http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/...s/IMG_0656.jpg

The 555 Oscillator which does not seem to work is here
http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/...s/IMG_0655.jpg

I tested it by applying the 12.98v to the Regulator the output going to the input of the Oscillator which is 11.39v I set the digital multimeter to hertz and then the duty cycle but on each occasion it did not show anything

I checked all components starting with the pot it was OK then going from each leg of the timer I checked for continuity by reading the ohms to each component right through each wire land they all checked OK The value of the diodes, the ones from legs 6,7 were both 475 and the one parallel with the missing Movistor is 441

The lands even though they seem to be broken that is because the wire land's are woven through the board to steady them.

I really do not know where to or how to check the operation of the 555 timer (it was a new one)
I would appreciate some help as to what I can do
Kindest regards

[JohnStone]

Hi Larry,
you ask questions many skilled persons would like to have an answer for. I will tell you how I sort these items in my mind.
First of all - humans are not able to fully understand the reality. This is a notion uttered from great scientists (not me)! We use thinking models in order to have the feeling of understanding. Some models are true, others are partly true and can explain many effects but are misleading at others. Other pictures are basically wrong.
Take the model of electric current and traveling electrons. This explains alot but mislead from fully understanding our OU effects.

Conforming standard knowledge the turns of a coil * amps gives the magnetic field strength. This model helps understanding a small set of effects like standard coils.
But think further. We have losses increasing with thinner and longer copper wire. But these losses are absolutely not related to the magnetic field. If you had zero resistance and infinite long wire you could generate any strength of magnetic field with one single electron.
I understand the basic approach of Newman motor in this sense.
And I believe that we need to be open for these type of effects at Ufo's setups.
And if it is true that electricity contains a "cold" component ignoring resitances then we have to account for amp*winding / ignore resitance / count for copper mass and harvest the gain.

Same with multiplying the strands of a winding.
Conforming general knowledge it reduces the resitance only by increasing surface and mass of copper. The toatal amp * windings gives the magnetic field.
BUT:

• What about Tesla's hint of copper mass having an effect?
• Does anybody know if multiple strands modify the effects we are after in profoundly?
• What about assymetric windings. We never can wind multiple strands perfectly and symmetrically! Do we have displacement currents between these windings not being perfectly the same? Do we have internal oscillations not being seen outside?
• What about the notion of Leedscalnin stating that current is of symmetric nature - we have two opposing flows of different types of - whatever it is.
• What about corroded copper wire surface. CuO is a semiconductor and there is a patent out there where the inventor states that electrons (if there is such a pet at all) travel with superluminal speed in semiconductor layers - without any known reason (no extra energy input). Conversely when they return to the copper structure they slow down contributing extra energy at secondary. And CuO is one of the semiconductors having a poor effect. The inventor gives hints ot platings havening x100 and more of gain.
  So a poor boy from Bangladesh or Nigeria using corroded copper wire from scrap might light his house while we "civilized" guys take brand new shining copper wire and make perfectly symmetrical coils - and we fail perfectly .

A bunch of unknown effects added to general knowledge to explore.

Let's start with known knowledge being wide open for any observed facts being new. Let's play like children who do not say "yes I konw....". They play with the reality available and explore whereever a door opens. The bible gives this hint for exploring the faith but I think this hint is of general value for living beings.
rgds John

[prochiro]

Larry

Larry
Bob and I have been working on the carbon but bob has been doing all the physical work. He will try to answer tomarrow as he is working overtime this week and has not been able to do much.

With four 100 turn wires you will get about four times the power over the 400 single wire due to resistance loss, ect.. The magnet field is proportional to this power so more power = more field strength. Primary voltage level is the big factor if wanting a strong field also. Many have made dozens of coils because we were told that the coil must match your system. The truth is almost any coil or configuration will work as long as you tune your system to the coil. UFO is correct about the OHMs thou.
Dana

[larryross]

Hello all
There is one thing I never fully understood about winding mulitfilar. If you wind 100 turns of quadfilar and you connect them parallel, will you have the magnet field of 100 turns or of 400 turns assuming the same current in each coil. This should allow you to put more total current through the winding than if you wound 400 turns of singlefilar and with lower voltage, because the 400 turn single winding would have higher resistance. Anyone have any info on this or a link.

Larry

[larryross]

Larry
The circuit is a fet driver with booster presintes by John Stone in post #841.
The only way to know about these things is to build and compare results. So far I have full control of everything in a rock solit setup up to 24 volts.
Dana

Dana I was referring to winding carbon tow. I would like to know what you have tried so I don't waste time trying the same thing. What size are you using... 2k 4k 6k 12k? What have you tried to do to insulate it? Or is it Bob that is playing with it?

Regards
Larry

[JohnStone]

Hi Dana,
Board size: It is a guess and shurely can be done if necessary. If you need more space it's OK so you can measure and debug more easyly.

Transistors: I did not build this driver stage myself but it is a known standard circuit. Standard transistors like BC307 or similar with a max. current of 1A / 40V should be ok.

Blocking caps on power lines:FET driver: Please stand by until I reworked my schematic. I will supply a 3rd suggestion with NE555 as driver as well. This circuit will be the easiest to build. All drivers shall be attached very near to the gate.
rgds John

[prochiro]

Caps

John Stone
The caps you mentioned to be placed at the power pins of the driver should be placed how, befor after or between? Also how large a bank for example 1,2,3,4 caps?Dana

[prochiro]

Booster section

John Stone
I was reading your posts and can see that more exact off and on is important. What I was also wondering is in section E(Booster section), the PNP/NPN pair should also keep pace with the HF fets. Is there any need to select this pair in any way special. Do you have a favorite pair that is maybe more durable or better than any other for this job? I believe that the PNP in the second section does not need to be anything special. Am I correct? Thank You for your help in this area. Dana

PS You mentioned that this can be placed on a 2x2 or 2x4 board. I must be getting old as I required more board surface than that. Bad eyes, shaking hands, you know- things like that.