My Motors got me to Tap into Radiant Energy

[larryross]

Hi Ian
I guess you missed my posts #835 #836... you didn't respond. Hope all is well with you.

Regards
Larry

[Ufopolitics]

Larry...

That's why you would buy a $300 generator from harbor freight and use your motor to power it.

Negative Larry, a Harbor Freight or any other Generator Head available anywhere, will get "stiffer" as you add loads to it. It would be a "half way battle" man!...Even with the more robust motor we could build...still we are using an obsolete technology. This fact will eat our supply, it will make everything work overtime and stressed out every component in the system.
This Generators have something in common, all their generating fields output at same time, no matter if they are being induced or not, no matter if they are connected in series or in parallel...they still get energized with the ones that are being induced "via connections", creating magnetic friction and drag galore.

You think it would be easier to rebuild every motor in every appliance to operate on cold? Most appliances have induction motors and you have said your system won't work in anything but brushed motors. If you constructed a motor for every need (heating, air conditioning, washer and dryer, hot tub, refirg, dish washer, freezer, ceiling fans, blower motors on computers, hard drive motors on computers, fan on heating systems and cooling systems, just to name a few and some which would take more than just one motor as most have timing motors and blower motors also) you would be constructing many different sizes and shape motors to fit each and all would have to have the right output power mounting brackets the right rpms... each home would need dozens of motors and people knowing how to replace them. Sounds pretty major and time consuming and expensive (have you priced DC motors lately) to me. Then you would have to start constructing the HVAC space heaters, ranges, ovens, water heaters, dryer elements. I don't know man I think it might be you that have it wrong. Sorry



what matters how much and what rate you use it if it is produced for nothing or near nothing and doesn't harm the planet. A small generator will probably suffice for most homes in 3rd world countries and as they come out from under the thumb of oil they can afford more later.




I didn't say transportation wasn't important, but human living conditions are more important as far as I am concerned.



We are fighting a war? I thought we were trying to help the poor. A motor powerful enough to power the standard car would be more than big enough to power a 65KW hot power generator (more than enough to power the largest home with 2 unites not dozens of them). None of it will be cheap and will be out of the reach of the poorest who need it worse. I fail to see where getting one car on the road that recharges as it drives (that's already been done a couple of times or more) will help these people. I really hope you can see that I am offering constructive words here and not argument. When I complete one of your systems I might see more of your point, but right know these are just my humble opinions.




Regards friend UFO
Some day you might reveal your real name.
Larry

Dear Larry,

This has been a war to Humanity that we've been loosing so far...it dates back to more than 100 years...and it is not only to help the poor, but to help our future generations, all, wherever they would be, yours and mines...and all the rest of the world.
People are already converting many elements in their homes in order to save energy...like the CFL's Bulbs, like the Heater "boxes"...that are nothing more than oscillators...see, we being having a "LINEAR FEED" for a long time to all this appliances that have resistors...and burning energy galore...and paying for it big time.

I know and I wrote it down, replacing every motor would be a Mega work, not a smart way...I know that Larry. It's been too long we had this only one, locked in time, model, and it has gotten everywhere we look at...it is completely impossible to revert the continuous work of 132 years in a couple of months...world wide.

A motor to power a 4 passenger golf cart could be anywhere between 4.75 to 7.0 HP...pretty small...it will not turn a 65KW Generator on load..

Anyways Larry, I understand your words...and like you've written, further on you will see the whole thing, and I am sure you will contribute in great ways to enhance it and make it even more robust.

Regards friend


My name really does not matters to build all this ..I am just a Random Guy...


Cheers

Ufopolitics

[ewizard]

Wow, I haven't looked in here for quite a while. Sounds like great progress is being made. I totally agree that staying anonymous on forums like this is the wisest thing. Too many weirdo's out there not to mention the PTB that might like to make things miserable for anyone doing this work.

[Ufopolitics]

A Brief Generator review...

A Generator contains (basically and briefly) three circuits.

1- The Stator Field: Stator meaning, it always maintains a steady static, magnetic field polarity. They could be Rotary, where the electrical feeding is done through continuous slip rings contacts. Or Stators could be "non movable", more likely structurally set in the outside of the embodiment.

2-The Generating Fields: They are located opposite facing the Stator Fields, wherever they would be, In or Out.

3-The Exciter Fields: They are in charge to keep feeding "linear" current to Stators via the slip rings, rectified by a couple of diodes, in order to always get DC on them. And most of times they are double opposite coils not to "interrupt" the sequence in either position of the magnetic poles. They are located in between the Generating Fields, facing the Stator Fields.

First thing wrong In Symmetric generators:The generating fields are connected in a multi-filar heavy gauge wire (14-16) depending on output spec's, BUT always interconnected between them in an array that could be parallel or series. This connections derive in a negative performance, because the fields that are not being induced in that "momentum" that stator is NOT passing by, receive current from the ones being induced, therefore they magnetize against rotation, create drag and magnetic friction, besides reducing output because their electrical consumption. Here is the main reason why, the more we add "Loads" the more this generators oppose to our "Prime Mover"...

If we look at all Nikola Tesla Generators and in general all his Electro-Dynamic Machines. He ALWAYS states to use Independently connected coils sets in Pairs or Groups of Pairs (why in pairs?...well to satisfy the positioning of the Static Fields at the 180 degrees timing ). He uses dual or more -according to set-up- output slip rings for each group of generating fields. Further on, this way to interconnect the Generating Fields allows to "exchange" coil components with a Motor Assembly in a timely sequenced fashion that He also, nicely displays in every angle of rotation to fulfill the whole 360 degrees...

Now, We will NEVER be able to make this happen, to accomplish this extremely important "exchange of components" in ANY Symmetrical Arrangement, simple as that, Ladies and Gentlemen!!

Second thing I see wrong with Symmetry in Generator arrangement is to "Linearly Feed" the Stator Fields at all times, when they could be easily Pulsed, therefore, obtaining the Natural Response from our Nature to energize the Generating Coils while we give a "brake" an Idle to our Stator Feeding process. This Opposite Nature response, instead of creating drag, it could assist rotation, if, set up in a convenient and preconceived fashion.

Now, the arrangement of a typical Alternator in any given vehicle is even worst, related to the way the Stator displays its magnetic field at the whole 360 degrees based on the Spider design, and "On" at ALL Times...but I guess it does not matter...if we are using a heavy muscle big HP Gas Engine...Right?
Well, this fact adds enormous drag on our engines, creating our "Idling RPM's" at very high rates...but it doesn't matter either...we just add more Gas to it and problem solved...


This post should have gone into Symmetrical versus Asymmetrical Systems...but this is in order to add to the Generator from Harbor Freight above...so I will also post it there, and if you want to discuss it any further, please go there to keep the thread going.


Thank You and regards to all


Ufopolitics

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, myself, I AM still playing around with charging me batteries with the 555 timer, mosfet and dual diode radiant output setup, though I keep up to date on what's going on here.
One thing, there is nothing to fear, are people really still under the illusion that one can hide their corporate fictional name that is given to us via our birth certificate without our consent.
peace love light
tyson

[larryross]

Negative Larry, a Harbor Freight or any other Generator Head available anywhere, will get "stiffer" as you add loads to it.
It would be a "half way battle" man!...Even with the more robust motor we could build...still we are using an obsolete technology.

Ahhh ya? most things as it works will change. A good drive motor with the proper HP rating should be able to handle it just fine. A practical - half way battle is better than none. Yes there will be obsolete technology involved for some years as 130 years can't be erased in one sweep. I think easing in to it would be better, because slamming it would give you recognition I don't think you would really want... I guess it would be us your followers that would bear the brunt as some of us aren't anonymous as you are. You have a grandiose and honorable plan, but you might want to come back to the real world to implement it.

This fact will eat our supply, it will make everything work overtime and stressed out every component in the system.
This Generators have something in common, all their generating fields output at same time, no matter if they are being induced or not, no matter if they are connected in series or in parallel...they still get energized with the ones that are being induced "via connections", creating magnetic friction and drag galore.

Are you saying these generators can't be modified to do better? I still don't see that as a problem if your motors can replace hot motors with better free power. You would still have free energy, if you only break one link in a chain, the chain is still broken.

Dear Larry,

This has been a war to Humanity that we've been loosing so far...it dates back to more than 100 years...and it is not only to help the poor, but to help our future generations, all, wherever they would be, yours and mines...and all the rest of the world.
People are already converting many elements in their homes in order to save energy...like the CFL's Bulbs, like the Heater "boxes"...that are nothing more than oscillators...see, we being having a "LINEAR FEED" for a long time to all this appliances that have resistors...and burning energy galore...and paying for it big time.

I know and I wrote it down, replacing every motor would be a Mega work, not a smart way...I know that Larry. It's been too long we had this only one, locked in time, model, and it has gotten everywhere we look at...it is completely impossible to revert the continuous work of 132 years in a couple of months...world wide.

So building a motor to drive a hot generator to power a house full of hot appliances would be mega work (agreed) and replacing all motors in appliances is mega work (agreed) then what would be your plan????? I don't see many more options that would really help. Certainly not building a golf cart motor.

A motor to power a 4 passenger golf cart could be anywhere between 4.75 to 7.0 HP...pretty small...it will not turn a 65KW Generator on load..

Why would you even make the above statement? Sir you said a car on the road so I considered that you were talking about a passenger car with a large motor that could power a 65KW power plant... that would not be a golf cart.
Are we going to start driving golf carts in the winter and 250 mile trips like from Grand Junction to Denver over 2 major passes with an infant as a passenger, I think not. Golf carts won't make a big bang in the world of power even if self powered. 7HP would not drive a passenger car (that really goes without saying). I wasn't even considering a golf cart as I didn't think the poorest of people even play golf.
If you are saying that your motor could not be scaled to power a 20KW to 65KW power plant, it would follow that you couldn't then build a motor that would power a full size car, or bus, or train, or plane, or factory so that would still leave many oil burning monsters all over.
Why would you even suggest jumping to full cold in one step (cold motor and cold generator)? I think this would be impractical and unnecessarily expensive and drastically limit your goal to get it to the whole world. I see this as having to slowly get to the poor, but will have to get to the right people first (so it won't be buried) and be built, proven, and made common place first (as quietly as possible). Poor people can't invest lots of money they don't have in something that only promises results even if they can see it (many scams going around). I guess I don't see your vision as far as getting it to them. This thread may end up being your worse enemy.

Anyways Larry, I understand your words...and like you've written, further on you will see the whole thing, and I am sure you will contribute in great ways to enhance it and make it even more robust.

I can only hope I will be able to help in some small way. This is my reason for discussing this topic with you. I have (in my time) made much money, but I am retired now and fighting cancer so I am among the poor now (that is why my build is going so slow) so I have insight as to what the poor can or cannot do. I can see me having more trouble when I get to building the motor generator. That is why what I build must have piratical use or be used else where. I don't have money to waste. Reasons for some of my questions also.

Regards friend


My name really does not matters to build all this ..I am just a Random Guy...


Cheers

Ufopolitics

Hmmmmmmm OK... friend

Regards
Larry

[Ufopolitics]

Hello Larry...

Ahhh ya? most things as it works will change. A good drive motor with the proper HP rating should be able to handle it just fine. A practical - half way battle is better than none. Yes there will be obsolete technology involved for some years as 130 years can't be erased in one sweep. I think easing in to it would be better, because slamming it would give you recognition I don't think you would really want... I guess it would be us your followers that would bear the brunt as some of us aren't anonymous as you are. You have a grandiose and honorable plan, but you might want to come back to the real world to implement it.



Are you saying these generators can't be modified to do better? I still don't see that as a problem if your motors can replace hot motors with better free power. You would still have free energy, if you only break one link in a chain, the chain is still broken.




So building a motor to drive a hot generator to power a house full of hot appliances would be mega work (agreed) and replacing all motors in appliances is mega work (agreed) then what would be your plan????? I don't see many more options that would really help. Certainly not building a golf cart motor.



Why would you even make the above statement? Sir you said a car on the road so I considered that you were talking about a passenger car with a large motor that could power a 65KW power plant... that would not be a golf cart.
Are we going to start driving golf carts in the winter and 250 mile trips like from Grand Junction to Denver over 2 major passes with an infant as a passenger, I think not. Golf carts won't make a big bang in the world of power even if self powered. 7HP would not drive a passenger car (that really goes without saying). I wasn't even considering a golf cart as I didn't think the poorest of people even play golf.
If you are saying that your motor could not be scaled to power a 20KW to 65KW power plant. It would follow that you couldn't then build a motor that would power a full size car, or bus, or train, or plane, or factory so that would still leave many oil burning monsters all over.
Why would you even suggest jumping to full cold in one step? I think this would be impractical and unnecessarily expensive and drastically limit your goal to get it to the whole world. I see this as having to slowly get to the poor, but will have to get to the right people first (so it won't be buried) and be built, proven, and made common place first (as quietly as possible). Poor people can't invest lots of money they don't have in something that only promises results even if they can see it (many scams going around). I guess I don't see your vision as far as getting it to them.



I can only hope I will be able to help in some small way. This is my reason for discussing this topic with you. I have (in my time) made much money, but I am retired now and fighting cancer so I am among the poor now (that is why my build is going so slow) so I have insight as to what the poor can or cannot do. I can see me having more trouble when I get to building the motor generator. That is why what I build must have piratical use or be used else where. I don't have money to waste. Reasons for some of my questions also.




Hmmmmmmm OK... friend

Regards
Larry

Hey Larry,

You made me laugh with the Golf Cart deal...driving all over...

I set the golf cart example not to complicate things with higher performance electric vehicles, that require a radiator panel, an electric water pump and an electric fan, just to cool off the electronics...like the Nissan Leaf and the Tesla cars...However, if you took off the power-driving train of any of these vehicles and connect it to a 65Kw Generator...it still... will not be economical and it will not output more than input...

Yes Larry, we could modify an existing Generator, that is what I meant when I wrote all the text afterwards, but I was referring as to use it "off the factory wrap"...from Harbor Freight...like you wrote.

Larry, the Motors I have built could be scaled up to the size of a whole city, if you could afford to build them.
The power, the torque, the rpm's and all parameters still follow same or very similar spec's and paths as we all know for a long time ago.


Now in a previous post you made, you wrote that the electric car that recharges while it drives has been done already...could you provide the links or more info please?!
I hope you are not talking about Braking Regeneration, because that is not recharging the system like I was referring to.


Regards


Ufopolitics

[larryross]

Hi all
I am going to back off this for a while as I am beginning to develope some concerns which I hope time will prove not true. I will however be watching with great interest and jump back in when I am ready.

Good luck all and Best Regards
Larry

[IndianaBoys]

Larry,

You asked the question "Are you saying these generators can't be modified to do better?" and that reminded me of a lecture Peter Lindemann gave

Peter Lindemann -- Electric Motor Secrets - 2 hours 26 minutes
Peter Lindemann -- Electric Motor Secrets - YouTube

It may answer a lot of your questions.

He has other information as well if you have not seen them:http://www.free-http://www.energy.ws/products.html

IndianaBoys

[Ufopolitics]

Hello Larry

Hi all
I am going to back off this for a while as I am beginning to develope some concerns which I hope time will prove not true. I will however be watching with great interest and jump back in when I am ready.

Good luck all and Best Regards
Larry

Hey Larry,

May I ask why are you backing off from this thread?
Have I been at any point disrespectful or something else that bothered to you?
Is it my "Anonymous Status" that bothers you Larry?
What are your concerns Larry...

I want to see your results in your tests, and your comments!

Anyways,it is up to you Larry, you will always be welcome here anytime you desire to show up.

Regards


Ufopolitics

[codeboundfuture]

Hope to see you back soon

Hey Ufo, you mentioned this.

The power, the torque, the rpm's and all parameters still follow same or very similar spec's and paths as we all know for a long time ago.

By this do you mean the curves follow similar paths, trading torque, rpms, power, etc. Or are the motors essentially the same power to weight ratios also?

I ask because Tesla spoke of exceptionally strong, lightweight motors and I was hearing some things from you that were sounding much like Tesla and I am curious how close we are to some of his demonstrated machines.

here is to the future.

Best wishes,
matt

[Ufopolitics]

Hello Codeboundfuture

Hey Ufo, you mentioned this.


By this do you mean the curves follow similar paths, trading torque, rpms, power, etc. Or are the motors essentially the same power to weight ratios also?

I ask because Tesla spoke of exceptionally strong, lightweight motors and I was hearing some things from you that were sounding much like Tesla and I am curious how close we are to some of his demonstrated machines.

here is to the future.

Best wishes,
matt

Hello Codeboundfuture,

Yes they do follow similar paths, however, there are some discrepancies with the Classic Physics related to some parameters, like Torque versus RPM's that we have to either "sacrifice" one of them...not true here, not true on Asymmetrical.
The Asymmetry allows very controversial commutator arrangements possibilities that brake the Symmetry Concepts, one example... the number of commutator elements does not "necessarily" must match the total number of coils...and more...
Lightweight yes, definitively they could be built with Composite Materials, like Kevlar, Carbon Fibers and Fiberglass and aluminum or CF as external frames...they do not get hot..therefore, no need to set a cooling fan either...

Nikola Tesla has been a big inspiration into my work, and many of his main claims are coming back alive (Reloaded) again on my designs. This is something that makes me feel very comfortable, since His Patents are all Public Domain. Except -of course- for the incorporation of some controlling Electronic Systems and many other materials not yet discovered in his times...

I will join your cheers to the future...


Regards


Ufopolitics

[IndianaBoys]

UfoPolitics,

There is a simple Dynamometer Test Peter Lindemann provides in the above post (he explains how to build the device, shows how to use it and also performs the calculations so everybody can be on the same page when speaking of COP):

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/10529-my-motors-got-me-tap-into-radiant-energy-30.html#post198496

Is that a test you could currently perform with your device?

IndianaBoys

[codeboundfuture]

I can feel the excitement.

Yes they do follow similar paths, however, there are some discrepancies with the Classic Physics related to some parameters, like Torque versus RPM's that we have to either "sacrifice" one of them...not true here, not true on Asymmetrical.

Exactly what I hoped I could do with my hard-drive-platter motor that I am designing, max torque while being able to max the rotor tensile strength, RPM. (Wherever that is ) I have been working on it in CAD as far as I can take it until what I have done leaves behind what I understand. Once I can demonstrate it working though you can expect to see the CAD, pics and specs posted on the site.

Nikola Tesla has been a big inspiration into my work, and many of his main claims are coming back alive (Reloaded) again on my designs.

You seem to resonate with him, you have a lot more put together and goals like his, more-so than anyone I have found so far.

Can't wait to learn more,
matt

[larryross]

Hey Larry,

May I ask why are you backing off from this thread?
Have I been at any point disrespectful or something else that bothered to you?
Is it my "Anonymous Status" that bothers you Larry?
What are your concerns Larry...

I want to see your results in your tests, and your comments!

Anyways,it is up to you Larry, you will always be welcome here anytime you desire to show up.

Regards


Ufopolitics

No UFO sir it isn't you it's me. You have been more than pleasant and congenial, but some of the statements you have made leaves me wondering if this is the technology I am seeking. Some of the things you have given for reasons to not use hybrid hot cold systems seem very trivial to me and easily remedied. Easier to remedy than trying to implement everything cold. If I were to build and implement a cold motor generator I would not be able to use it till I started to change the motors in each appliance then if I tried to use that appliance I wouldn't be able to use anything else till they were all changed to cold or run another set of wiring in my home to use till all appliances were converted. I see changing all motors in all appliances as more like impossible than mega work. If I built your motor to power an off the shelf generator, I would be able to use all my appliances right away.
In my simple mind I see implementing a free energy technology then make improvements on it as you go (do the best you can with what you got then make it better) and as you find out what the real problems are. If it gets stressed, redesign it.
Yes I need to learn your system, but I don't need to reinvent the wheel you and Tesla and others have already done. So I will see your system to see if it will work for my visions then I will prototype and engineer scaled devices to meet the needs as I see them. I understood that you are offering this technology for others to use as needed. I will help get it out to the world, but on my own path. I know at least in this country only 1 in 100,000 or less people would have the skills or the tools or the ambition to build what we have build so far and I think we have done the easy part.
No... you being anonymous doesn't bother me at all. It does however seem not very friendly referring to someone as UFO or UFOPilitics, but I respect your wish to remain anonymous. As for me I am too old to be worried about people knowing who I am. Besides, that info is too easy to obtain anyway.
Thanks I have never felt like I couldn't pipe in whenever I wanted to... I have however wondered if it were wise for me to post my thoughts.
I won't be far away so keep up the good work and educate many to build an army of solders for this good and noble cause (you did say it was a war didn't you).

Best wishes
Larry