Quantum Resonant Gyrator

[xee2]

What is the general consensus of the community on this circuit?

The "The Quantum Resonant Gyrator" is not a gyrator and does not produce scalar waves. Why soneone would say this was "Quantum resonant" is unknown to me. Does this person even know what qauntum resonant means? It is just an oscillator. I think that the person posting this does not know much about electronics. For instance, any DC amp meter will read zero amps when fed high frequency AC current. The needle can not go back and forth fast enough to keep up with the changes in current polarity. So the meter does not show that there is no current flow since it can not show the AC current that is flowing in the wire.


Here is a simple one wire circuit. More info at >>> xee2vids's Channel - YouTube

[citfta]

Thank you xee2,

I was beginning to think only Farmhand and myself had enough electronic experience to recognize a simple oscillator circuit.

I like the simple circuit you posted. It makes it easy for someone to experiment with one wire transfer of energy. Do you think it would work better if you came up with a fancy name for it? Seriously, it is a nice easy circuit to work with. Thanks for sharing it.

Carroll

[thepromisedplanet]

Hi Everybody Thanks for all your reactions 0(

Hi Everybody Thanks for all your reactions 0(
I me just now on-line at home ,just moved in here so..
I will now reveal a new part in the circuit -> it's a magnetron
magnet. If you use 2 x 22uH ferrite coils as in the circuit and mount these on each side
of the transistor. The folded lead distance of the coil´s I use is : 2cm.
Brightness in led in primary circuit 2 x parallel hyperbrigth green LED's
and (5x2)= 10 LED at the end of my one wire, are easily modulated with the magnet
when I move the magnet in a distance of ± 8 cm from the transistor and coils . the transistor is in the hole
current goes up from 4 mA to 18 mA, transistor is at room temperature...
Here you clearly see the gyrator /: B. D. H. Tellegen do its thing.
Video´s soon demonstrating this. All the best §

[barbosi]

The "The Quantum Resonant Gyrator" is not a gyrator and does not produce scalar waves.

Dear xee2,
I admire your dedication fuelling your work, but I suspect you don't know what a gyrator is. I might agree on "quantum resonant" but until we don't hear the arguments, I rather prefer not to assume anything.

Back to gyrator, the output of the dipole called gyrator, must have the capability of acting as input as well. The hole you breath in is the same for breath out, then breath in again, and so on... This is the gyration process.
In this case, if we deal with reflection in the antenna network, the reflected signal will feed back in the circuit. Remember the resistor from the base is used only to start the process? However, if that is a gyrator case, then the "input" will act as an "output" as well, hence there must be a way to direct the saved energy back into a battery, similar to Bedini's method.

With regret, although your schematic presents a simple circuit - which I like, from the transistor's collector you cannot feed back into the circuit to sustain the process. Phase-wise yes, you could, but the amplitude is limited by the transformer's transfer ratio. Hence we cannot speak about a gyrator - but again, you didn't claim to be one.

Please be patient, eventually study the circuit presented, especially the second one (with the varactor in the loop circuit as it may present itself as a regulating element) and see if you can learn something from here.

The only limitation I know about this concept of gyrator is the maximum voltage that will operate a semiconductor, but a transistor might operate safer that ICs. And who knows, maybe we can reinvent the tubes if we need...

Regards.

[xee2]

but again, you didn't claim to be one.

Hi barbosi,

You are correct, the circuit I posted is not a gyrator. It was not meant to be one. I do not believe the "Quantum Resonant Gyrator" is a gyrator either. It seems to be a VLF RF oscillator from the schematic and the results posted in the video. The circuit performs well as a one wire circuit. But I do not understand how that justifies calling it a "Quantum Resonant Gyrator". Another video has been promised, perhaps that will explain the reason for the name.

[Farmhand]

One wire lighting from a regular transformer

Hi guys, I was doing some experimenting and made this video, it shows one
wire lighting of 6 fluro tubes rated at total of 56 watts but lit to maybe half
brightness from an input of about 12 to 13 watts. The object of the video
was just to show the one wire lighting the object of the experimenting was to
test the voltage rise at increased frequency.

The video is drawn out, the first 3 minutes is showing the setup at 60 Hz
powering a 60Hz synchronous microwave fan motor and a voltage reading at
60 Hz, there is a small amount of one wire lighting at 60 Hz.

To save people watching the whole thing, at 5:00 minutes I start connecting
fluro's in one wire mode at 24 Khz, at 10:30 minutes I light an LED, at 12:23 I get a
shock from 350 volts at 24 Khz and say "bajingas" , then at 12:50 I draw a HF
arc between the outputs (which causes over 5 amps increase in current).
However adding fluro's in one wire mode doesn't seem to change the input
power. After all if there is 12 watts continuous input there must also be
12 watts continuous output of some kind, some of the leaking output can be used.
I show the volt and current meters on the input a few times.

One wire lighting effects from regular transformer-converter.wmv - YouTube

I tried to come up with a fancy name for the setup but all the exotic names are
already taken so I just call it a loopy dohnut converter. Maybe it could be
called a "Resonant Rotary Flux Charge Wobbler" or something like that.

All that is needed for one wire lighting of fluros is an AC power source with a
frequency above about 20 Khz with an output of a few hundred volts, for LED's it can be a couple of volts.

Cheers

[boguslaw]

Hi Everybody Thanks for all your reactions 0(
I me just now on-line at home ,just moved in here so..
I will now reveal a new part in the circuit -> it's a magnetron
magnet. If you use 2 x 22uH ferrite coils as in the circuit and mount these on each side
of the transistor. The folded lead distance of the coil´s I use is : 2cm.
Brightness in led in primary circuit 2 x parallel hyperbrigth green LED's
and (5x2)= 10 LED at the end of my one wire, are easily modulated with the magnet
when I move the magnet in a distance of ± 8 cm from the transistor and coils . the transistor is in the hole
current goes up from 4 mA to 18 mA, transistor is at room temperature...
Here you clearly see the gyrator /: B. D. H. Tellegen do its thing.
Video´s soon demonstrating this. All the best §

Not so fast. First explain how to run original circuit.For example you didn't mentioned using ferrite core coil, I used standard small choke 22uH. Also 4.7Mohm resistor seems very big . Just help us , not very good in electronics to replicate original circuit.

[d3x0r]

Helps

The 4.7Mohm resistor is just a tickler to get it started. During operation you get power output if you disconnect that from the base (put a switch between the resistor and the transistor base.

I didn't use any core in my coils (just spools of electircal tape with wire). The hardest part for me was putting the transistor in the right direction

If you kill the circuit (short to ground), you will have to re-tickle it with a switch... if you leave it connected it probably is self starting, but again, doesn't work as well.

Also, I recommend batteries to start, not a power supply. I brought it to work, and we tried using the DC supply there and it didn't work right off.

Also, once you have it going, you can add a ground near the small coil between the + and there and the circuit will run pretty well off of 9V. I ended up acciedntally doing this by putting a 1ohm resistor inline with the + power to the board, and putting a scope across that, the scope's ground was connected there, and I had decently LED power; I started removing the scope and resistor and the whole thing died (well I thought it was dead, it was really just really dim, I had another test point on it that indicated it was oscillating (had maybe 6meters of wire wrapped around a I dunno 5/8" air core, that I had around the signal wire, which was able to sense the circuit without adding a ground to it).

But, unfortunatly this just went togther and worked for me.

[boguslaw]

The 4.7Mohm resistor is just a tickler to get it started. During operation you get power output if you disconnect that from the base (put a switch between the resistor and the transistor base.

I didn't use any core in my coils (just spools of electircal tape with wire). The hardest part for me was putting the transistor in the right direction

If you kill the circuit (short to ground), you will have to re-tickle it with a switch... if you leave it connected it probably is self starting, but again, doesn't work as well.

Also, I recommend batteries to start, not a power supply. I brought it to work, and we tried using the DC supply there and it didn't work right off.

Also, once you have it going, you can add a ground near the small coil between the + and there and the circuit will run pretty well off of 9V. I ended up acciedntally doing this by putting a 1ohm resistor inline with the + power to the board, and putting a scope across that, the scope's ground was connected there, and I had decently LED power; I started removing the scope and resistor and the whole thing died (well I thought it was dead, it was really just really dim, I had another test point on it that indicated it was oscillating (had maybe 6meters of wire wrapped around a I dunno 5/8" air core, that I had around the signal wire, which was able to sense the circuit without adding a ground to it).

But, unfortunatly this just went togther and worked for me.

Thank you .That's more concrete set of info. What about output ? I tried with only one set of diodes, is that ok or it will work fine only whne using 3 sets of diodes ?

[d3x0r]

Balancing isn't so easy as I thought

I've been playing with this.

1) It's interesting that it makes equi-step harmonics... 3.1mhz 6.2, 9.3, 12.4... 4.1, 8.2, 12.3..... It reminds me of the traces that stiffler gets when he gets his circuit in resonance. I thought that harmonics were doubled... 440, 880, 1760... not equi-distant steps.... but anyway...

This is a shot of the harmonics when the oscillator is running, the spikes on the purple are about 4mhz apart each time, and it's a linear horizontal scale, not logrithmic.

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I wanted to add some other coils for transfers or other directions, so I tuned a long tall coil (1000 turns 1" diamter 24 gauge magnet wire) until it was about 4.1 mhz, (it alone with nothing is somehting like 6, so going down wasn't too tough)... but even adding a single clip lead to the end increases the capacitance to reduce the frequency 1mhz... so adding a 6 inch with 2 clips is about right to bring it down to 4.... and while I was tuning it, I had it laying near the resonantor board, and the LEDs on the board started lighting. Induced reactoin in the circuit. So I added some caps, triggered it with the battery and switch, and it lasted quite a few seconds before dying. Then I moved some probes, connected in different places trying to get a more acurate measurement of the gyrator frequncy itself, which seems also dependant on the load on the antenna and other things around it. And at times, just having that coil with a different tuning near the circuit keeps it from working altogether... so I move everything away, get back to a starting point, reenergize the circuit and work on resonance...

But then I move this or that, and reach past the circuit to turn a knob on the scope, and the whole thing dies.

I used tantum capactiors (100pf, and 85uf respectively, as measured with my meter Triplett 9007 3-1/2 Digit DMM with Backlit Display 391-064 ) , I used the same transistor as specified, I used the 1n4148 in the circuit, I've wired it with jumper leads that are (like) 2inches in length to various parts, I ran (like a) 8 inch jumper wire out to a rail that I then ran back to the LEDs. My coils are hand wound on empty electrical tape spools like I said...

Maybe because it's where I chose to put the parts, and how far they are apart, the coils are 6+ inches away from each other, as they may interfere too I suppose.

I have a higher detail of my layout, and maybe I should make one with circles and arrows that I can put a paragraph under each part.

This was a shot where I had used a black wire at the upper left to bypass the 100uf cap and small coil attached to the positive side... the coil would go from + to 18 and the cap from 18 back to negative, in about the same length as the black wire is. The yllow wire goes to the collector, the chain of resistors laying across the board is unplugged at that point, but goes into the base of the resistor to start it. The left black wire goes from the base to the n4140 diode to the right (39), and a 85uf cap from 39 to 42. The other n4148 and 100pf cap are connected from 42 to 36, which is then connected with a blue wire to a black wire that goes to the emitter of the transitor, and the red wire that is the signal output. The caps at the bottom left are optional, and can be connected in parallel with the battery, they're only a few microfarads (10's of, maybe 100?)... they will keep an LED lit for a while . THe next rail from the top down is my chain of LEDs.... I ran the signal scross those into the + rail, where I then tap with a black wire about (46) and go back into the LED chain at (34). The bottom alligator clip goes to virtual ground (it's just hanging, or clipped to aluminum plate... if attached to real ground, makes evrey other LED on the chain light up (very strong pull in one direction). Notice on my LED chain I've used some 1N4001's and some 1n4148's. These are fairly low power LEDs and two double AA batteries light them up pretty good. They have a voltage drop of like 1.7V. The Yellow wire in the chain of LEDs is from the first block to the second block, then the blue/white wire is from the second block to the third. I've disconnected LED blocks and reconnected them, they don't seem to have a lot of impact on making the circuit work, and are a rather resilliant load (that is attaching and deteching them doesn't usually kill the oscillation). The Two 1n4148's in the middle going to the right don't connect to anything, they were a test point, the beginning of a DC conversion point, where I was putting capacitors, which I was then going to feed back to the power rail, but they are open (they are extra, and should be of no consequence). There is a coil sitting on the board at the top, but that should be of no consequence also. Off to the very bottom left is red and black wires that go to + and - battery connections and +/- rails appropriately.

The smaller coil and cap across power don't change the circuit character as much as the larger coil.

I've bypassd the bottom LC ringing circuit and got a single 20mhz signal out of just the transistor (the subharmoics disappeared). But that didn't work to light LEDs...

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[aaron5120]

I've been playing with this.

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hi d3x0r,
I suppose you are not the author of this quantum girator circuit, and you are one of the tinkerers like us, right?
I wonder if you can check if MPS06 and 2N2222A can do the job as BC547B, since I reviewed the spec sheet of BC547B, and apart from its hFE which is almost 100MHz, its no big deal as a transistor. As I told Somertje to go to the thread of Dr. Stiffler and check out the SEC18-X circuit tuning procedure, the tuning of the Doc's circuit is very difficult as hell.
The Girator circuit seems to be a lot easier to tune, and provide much more power to light leds. The modified diode plug presented in the Girator circuit seems to be un-balanced comparing to a standard av plug.
Your switching of the 4.7MOhm resistor after starting the circuit seems to be ingenous to me. And also the bypassing ground connection of the 4.7uH inductor to reduce supply voltage to 9V does seem original.
Please share with us your insight about this circuit with respect to Dr. Stiffler's SEC experiments, as both apparently tackles the same field and both apparently receive a response from the excited lattice.
aaron5120

[d3x0r]

hi d3x0r,
I suppose you are not the author of this quantum girator circuit, and you are one of the tinkerers like us, right?

Right

I wonder if you can check if MPS06 and 2N2222A can do the job as BC547B, since I reviewed the spec sheet of BC547B,

Yes a 2n2222 works and generates the same frequency, also a mpsa06 works, but I had to put it in backwards(?), the one I used has the same case style as the BC547B (black with a flat side), but I had to put the flat spot the opposite direction, otherwise it just sat there and got hot.

Both generated apparently the same harmonics in the signal.

and apart from its hFE which is almost 100MHz, its no big deal as a transistor. As I told Somertje to go to the thread of Dr. Stiffler and check out the SEC18-X circuit tuning procedure, the tuning of the Doc's circuit is very difficult as hell.
The Girator circuit seems to be a lot easier to tune, and provide much more power to light leds. The modified diode plug presented in the Girator circuit seems to be un-balanced comparing to a standard av plug.
Your switching of the 4.7MOhm resistor after starting the circuit seems to be ingenous to me. And also the bypassing ground connection of the 4.7uH inductor to reduce supply voltage to 9V does seem original.
Please share with us your insight about this circuit with respect to Dr. Stiffler's SEC experiments, as both apparently tackles the same field and both apparently receive a response from the excited lattice.
aaron5120

[samertje]

One wire fan
QRG: One Wire Circuit - YouTube

[facetten]

Look on Overunity.com for Otto's pdf and see how similar the effects seem.

Just maybe we have both sides of this device developed to a high degree already just awaiting their wedding.

Exactly what I have said.



The gyrator is not a transformer. It is a step forward from monopoles (capacitor, inductor, resistor), passing through transformer into dipoles (1 In, 1 Out) and making a better conceptualisation for dipoles going into multipoles (multiple inputs and outputs). The inputs are not carved in stone as inputs, but can (if needed) perform as outputs as well. The same for outputs of multipoles.

As for today, the only implemented gyrator I am aware of (as whole system) are the radar systems. And we can agree for now, it is unlike a transformer.

As far as I can say, even the monopole idea is largely misunderstood and grossly limited, although domestic applications are well known. One is the audio equalisers, where sharp frequency responses required big values of capacitors (maybe not a big deal) and big values of inductors with a high Q (that was a big deal). The solution was to simulate components like here. And yet, this is just a monopole.

Another example of utilising dipoles is - as I said - what anyone have seen maybe in Eric's experiments using analogue networks. Based on this, no commercial application that I am aware of has been developed yet.

However, I personally think that kippered may be onto something. I believe by now I proved none of the critics did not read or understood the idea conceived in the pdf file (which is a very brief presentation of concept) about gyrator.

Before booing, I suggest you try to understand first, ask questions later and never boo. If you don't understand, just watch silently if later in time it will make sense. It's like booing the music player for not revealing the music theory behind his idea.

Best regards and please be tolerant with others and your own ignorance.

i don't quite get your interpretation of a gyrator. An ideal gyrator cross couple voltage and current. In a two port network, the instantaneous voltage and current are related by V2=R1I1 , -V1=R2I2
Gyrator - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In making of a gyrator, you would implement the above relationship with some types of circuits. the transistor itself isn't a gyrator. i would say gyrator is more of a idea then a real circuit element. but it doesn't matter. the way i would approach this problem is just to write a nodal equation at the node of the emitter, and analyzed the transfer function. I also think this is a type of LC oscillator because you have LC components that make this circuit a 2nd order system, so it got to have a resonant frequency no question about it. even your transistor might act as an resonator because of the feedback loop at the collector might make the base-emitter capacitance looks inductive.

as for measuring zero current, well, a sine wave A*sin(wt) have zero dc current, you're measuring DC which means average. i would suggest to get a oscilloscope to measure the transient response to see if your circuit is oscillating.