Lets talk Patent Law And O U Open source!

[RAMSET]

Needs a closer look

Farm hand
Quote:
""Hi Chet, My opinion is. If you file for patent you are agreeing to their rules.
Just keep a record of the conception and first build of your invention and
nobody can lock you out of your invention.""

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Aaron says 18 mnths till this is NG?

Needs a closer look ?
We're trying to figure a "model" to opensource the Sonic heater!

One where we can reward the inventors and release the invention open source without worrying about Greedy men running to the patent office .
Or worse still a patent office becoming an arm of a suppression machine?

We want to figure this out ASAP ?
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THX
Chet

[blackchisel97]

Forget about it - that has become useless and is no longer protection. "First to File"... Wasn't that the case of some Tesla notes being patented by assistants and sold after?

I can prove all I want that I invented something first but the first person to file for a patent is who is protected under IP law. It was pointed out that will take effect in 18 months from now. Welcome to Amerika!

I was in a court with my father back in the '90, trying to seek a justice and sue two refineries for patent infringements. I lost my faith in this system (Patent Office) long time ago. What is happening now on this side of Big Water was happening for years on the other side. Things I've tried to run away from are catching up with me. Like a ***** Deja Vu

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[blackchisel97]

Aaron, I sent you PM.

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[Aaron]

open source

Aaron says 18 mnths till this is NG?

We're trying to figure a "model" to opensource the Sonic heater!

I think blackchisel97 quoted the 18 month timeframe in the other thread.

You can offer an EULA agreement for it that states you retain ownership of the IP and make people sign it in order to get the plans.

But how do you prevent someone from posting copies? I don't think you can. And if someone does and you can prove it, are you willing to spend the money to pursue it?

Personally, I don't trust any legal method, contract, etc... to actually protect me in this kind of situation.

I'm either just going to post something or I'm not.

If you figure out some non-patent method in spite of all the laws being implemented, please let us all know.

Otherwise, just sell the plans if it really works. If you're not interested in the money, then why not just post the info because even if someone tries to patent it - there are 18 months before the first file bill goes into effect (for the US) and the info will be out there for everyone to use.

[dambit]

Getting a patent is a waste of money these days. Sure the legal protection may be nice, but it's so easy to get a factory in china to copy stuff there is no point. Best to just hit the market hard and fast before others have a chance to get moving.

[Aaron]

aoma

Getting a patent is a waste of money these days. Sure the legal protection may be nice, but it's so easy to get a factory in china to copy stuff there is no point. Best to just hit the market hard and fast before others have a chance to get moving.

But I don't believe China can send replicated units anywhere that recognizes US patent protection so it still has some protection.

But I totally agree, if someone wants to build something without a patent, just build it and penetrate the market with AOMA (All Out Massive Action).

[Armagdn03]

I hate to sound "detached" But what harm is there in freely giving, without anything in return. I have done this for years...Carefully...(want to keep learning)

I tried to make money(once upon a time)...tried to patent...tried to start an r&d company...talked to all the best in the field (literally). made it my mission to know who is in the know. (no disrespect to those I purposefully do not talk to)

are we here to "protect" information? or to learn? if you give without asking, is it for nothing?

One day I will die. No one will know who I am. cannot say that ego got in the way of my goal before I left. (not to say that this is the end) Did you spend your TIME on protection, or expansion of self...there may be no material benefit in the latter...so what are you looking for?

[RAMSET]

What we Are looking for ?

The entire intent of this thread is How to open source A device
That we all worked on together with out some Putz patenting it taking it away and making it illegal for us to use or share?

Or if we patent it ...we are never granted a patent because of N S A or other issues and it now becomes a crime to play with our new toy!

Thats the point of the thread !

THX
Chet

[Cherryman]

I really think the only way to prevent Big Business or Government from taking it away/forbid or otherwise is to spread the information as wide as possible as soon as possible.

Simple: A real OU device is world changing, making oil obsolete, making the whole of the Middle East a sand playground again, collapsing tax and income models all over the world. It would change the world economic and financial model.

You really think they are gonna stand by and watch how some people are gonna patent/open source or whatever it officially? Every western government and the top 10 multinationals of the world are your opponents.

Good luck the "official"way. (Sarcasm)


Spread the word, shout it out!

[Slovenia]

Copyright Protection

Patents are expensive and have their own set of problems such as but not limited to the government stealing your patent if they so choose.

Some very smart guys are protecting their inventions and discoveries another way. Aaron Murakami, Peter Lindemann, Dr. Stiffler, and Gary of Chemelec are protecting their work by copyrighting it. This is very easy to do; there is no cost associated with it; and it's real easy to go after someone who is either stealing your information and/or in some way infringing on your copyright.

I wonder how folks that do research can protect their property??
We have to figure out how this can work for us?

If I go to the patent office and file a patent that someone in the N S A thinks there could be issues with I'm dead in the water...

There has to be a way??
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Chet
PS
Its been 20 yrs since I tried to patent anything myself ... Once the patent is pending It would seem the inventor is protected and there should be no final "scrutiny " until the inventor decides to finalize?
Giving people the right to "play" with the idea similar to Aarons friends above, would that work? Or make things worse?

[Savvypro]

Bare with me here:

I think the use of copyright (like Eagle-Research do) - by actually filing a document containing drawings and explanations, at the Copyright Office, before releasing the info. Especially if its declared as public domain when filed at the Copyright Office. Someone else may file first for a patent, but you then have a Government department to back you up on the filing of the public domain information.

If the person has been stupid enough to just simply copy the information without any changes. Then you would have a case under copyright law. Which could go some way to invalidating the patent.

[Zardox]

Open source may or may not work but we have already seen throughout history what happens to people who have tried to patent these type of devices. Staying alive might be the first option.

[Jetijs]

I hate to sound "detached" But what harm is there in freely giving, without anything in return. I have done this for years...Carefully...(want to keep learning)

I tried to make money(once upon a time)...tried to patent...tried to start an r&d company...talked to all the best in the field (literally). made it my mission to know who is in the know. (no disrespect to those I purposefully do not talk to)

are we here to "protect" information? or to learn? if you give without asking, is it for nothing?

One day I will die. No one will know who I am. cannot say that ego got in the way of my goal before I left. (not to say that this is the end) Did you spend your TIME on protection, or expansion of self...there may be no material benefit in the latter...so what are you looking for?

Gold!

[RAMSET]

perhaps theres a misunderstanding here ?

We all know its never simple ,Lets just say for arguments sake we are talking about a true Over unity Device perhaps a break thru in something folks have been working on for 25 yrs.
We agree .....GET IT OUT THERE!!

A nice PDF Nice Spoon fed How to instructions ..... the whole shebang
No Patents no agreements with any Gov Agency of any kind?

So we the unorganized with out any plan whatsoever just turn the goose loose? have faith in our well organised fellow Big business companies,that none of them will grab this spoon fed Golden Goose and place it in a cage [patent] where it becomes against the law to have it? [the US heretofore unenforced patent law] .

so thats our Plan??

Ideas please?
THX
Chet
PS
This is the part I would like to avoid at all cost ...Or at least slow down as much as possible!
""that none of them will grab this spoon fed Golden Goose and place it in a cage [patent] where it becomes against the law to have it!""

[Farmhand]

I was reading the other thread and posted there by accident instead of here.

http://www.energeticforum.com/174546-post41.html

Silly me.