Why perpetual motion machines do not exist

[replaced]

I personally believe the earth's core is made of iron an nickel in a molten state that nears 13,000 F. I beleive this core is suspended in the air and held in place by opposing electromagnetic forces, such as the opposing magnetic forces in a rodin coil can hold a neodymium ball in stasis causing it to orbit while spinning at great speeds. This interior magnetic field grabbs lightly at the solid metal in the earth's crust and causes the entire planet to rotate.

Wrong. The Earth is hot inside because of uranium decay and friction. The way we power nuclear power plants is by mining uranium 238/235 and separating Uranium 235 from Uranium 238. Just as nuclear power plants work by heating up water, uranium in the ground heats up the ground by it's radiation. And since there is so much insulation in the ground, the heat stays trapped.

So who is right in this perpetual motion debate? The evil suppressing scientists or the know-it-all scientist wannabes?

If you're right about this made up aether and all this other nonsense, why can't you or anyone else produce a perpetual motion machine?

[mbrownn]

Wrong. The Earth is hot inside because of uranium decay and friction. The way we power nuclear power plants is by mining uranium 238/235 and separating Uranium 235 from Uranium 238. Just as nuclear power plants work by heating up water, uranium in the ground heats up the ground by it's radiation. And since there is so much insulation in the ground, the heat stays trapped.

So who is right in this perpetual motion debate? The evil suppressing scientists or the know-it-all scientist wannabes?

If you're right about this made up aether and all this other nonsense, why can't you or anyone else produce a perpetual motion machine?

Hmm, fresh lava seems to have much lower radioactivity than the earth's surface, While I am sure some of what you propose is happening, the evidence suggests that its influence is negligible.

Perpetual motion machines are impossible because they will break down. Perpetual motion on a sub atomic scale is happening all the time ie electrons spinning round atoms. As to producing a machine that draws energy from this, its only a matter of time.

Come on replaced, I know you can come up with a better argument than that. I like it when you make me think a little

[Farmhand]

Hello Replaced, I just thought I would chime in with some thoughts.

So who is right in this perpetual motion debate? The evil suppressing scientists or the know-it-all scientist wannabes?

Is that Evil suppressing or evil suppressing ?

If you're right about this made up aether and all this other nonsense, why can't you or anyone else produce a perpetual motion machine?

Supposing the existence of an Aether has nothing to do with the impossibility of
man made perpetual motion machines.

We are not all trying to build self runners or perpetual motion machines or
"make" energy. I hope you can realize that. Some of us just wanna do stuff
like make interesting, novel, efficient and/or useful stuff for different reasons.
We don't have time to be learning in university for 10 years because we are
busy doing the work that the scientists don't want to or are too delicate to
do, like put food on the shelves, clean the place up, build and maintain
infrastructure ect. don't forget we are all part of the same team. A scientist
might fish for a hobby and a fisherman might experiment with electronics for a
hobby. No big deal either way. The old fishing story of " the one that got
away" springs to mind when I think of OU.

I think it would be good to have some learned posters around, especially if
they could help with some of the technical questions asked that often go
unanswered even though I would bet there are people that read them and
could answer.

I would hope you could afford some time to help some of those who want help
rather than spend all your time in "attack".

Cheers

[replaced]

Hmm, fresh lava seems to have much lower radioactivity than the earth's surface, While I am sure some of what you propose is happening, the evidence suggests that its influence is negligible.

Perpetual motion machines are impossible because they will break down. Perpetual motion on a sub atomic scale is happening all the time ie electrons spinning round atoms. As to producing a machine that draws energy from this, its only a matter of time.

Come on replaced, I know you can come up with a better argument than that. I like it when you make me think a little

Now your making up stories. Show me where you got the idea that lava is less radioactive than the Earth's crust.

[Aaron]

aether

Wrong. The Earth is hot inside because of uranium decay and friction. The way we power nuclear power plants is by mining uranium 238/235 and separating Uranium 235 from Uranium 238. Just as nuclear power plants work by heating up water, uranium in the ground heats up the ground by it's radiation. And since there is so much insulation in the ground, the heat stays trapped.

So who is right in this perpetual motion debate? The evil suppressing scientists or the know-it-all scientist wannabes?

If you're right about this made up aether and all this other nonsense, why can't you or anyone else produce a perpetual motion machine?

You're claiming to know what makes the heat in the Earth like you claim to know how the sun makes light. You said it was because e=mc2 is correct.

All we have are models based on doing our best to interpret our observations, different models can be shown to be wrong and the ones we can't say are wrong are still valid possibilities because there hasn't been anything to refute them. With each new piece of evidence, some more models will fall away and fewer possibilities remain. There are compendiums of evidence that disproved the classical views on thermodynamics and instead of admitting it, they simply "extend" it to include open systems so they don't have to admit the original system is wrong - they can't deny what is so blatantly obvious because it would destroy all their credibility but they have no intellectual honesty to admit when they're wrong.

Dark matter, etc... all these terms to describe the aether since they don't have the guts to admit the aether exists. This is how dishonest the entire mainstream academic field is.

Scientist wannabees? Each member here that tries to move forward with these type of projects have more real scientific spirit in their soul than 100 "scientific skeptics" combined. The world you live in now was largely made possible because of people like us who buck the trend of the current holy scientific dogma. As they say, they never raised a statue in honor of a skeptic.

Your "science" and the mentality that goes along with it is 100% identical to the scientists that PROVED that flight in the air was impossible and the mathematics even showed that it was impossible. They showed with MATH that heavier than air flight just could not be done until the Wright Brothers did it. Obviously there are countless examples of this type of breakthrough that shows that the established paradigm is wrong.

And don't think that we are too sophisticated these days to make such mistakes - as a collective species - we still don't know anything!

Just because the aether exists doesn't automatically mean everyone will automatically know how to make a perpetual motion machine. People have been aware of the sunshine and wind for a long time and hundreds of thousands of years if not millions of years before someone developed a wind generator and solar cell. You are making a false argument.

Most people that are working on overunity devices are not trying to make perpetual motions machines. And some of them do not necessarily believe in the aether.

You claim you are scientific yet you are unwilling to put serious research into this: Dayton Miller's Ether-Drift Experiments and follow up on the references because you already believe in your mind that there is no aether so therefore it is a waste of time.

If that is your idea of scientific thinking, then you are deluding yourself and are making a mockery out of real science rather than demonstrating it.

You aren't even aware that your disbelief in aether is not even your own belief but is is a remnant of the time when the church didn't allow any other force in the universe to be discussed except for God.

Essentially, your denial is simply an extension of the Vatican's dogma hundreds of years ago and you don't even know it. That is religion and not science as the aether has been proven over and over.

You are confusing popularity with accuracy. Just because the mainstream academic world denounces the aether - that doesn't mean they are correct and there is evidence that refutes their claims. In Nazi Germany fascism was the popular view too but that doesn't mean it is right.

You want to quote Newton's "laws" - you might as well learn about his viewpoint of the aether. Newton's 1679 Letter to Boyle, on the Cosmic Ether of Space

And see these: Dayton Miller's Ether-Drift Experiments: A Fresh Look Dayton Miller's Ether-Drift Experiments

A Dynamic and Substantive Cosmological Ether http://www.orgonelab.org/DynamicEther.pdf

a separate webpage which offers PDF downloads of most of the historic ether-drift research papers which got a positive result, by scientist-authors such as Michelson, Morley, Miller and Sagnac, plus more recent positive replications as by Galaev: Cosmic Ether-Drift and Dynamic Energy in Space

[mbrownn]

Now your making up stories. Show me where you got the idea that lava is less radioactive than the Earth's crust.

Im sure the Japanese would disagree with you

[shawnnweed]

Wrong. The Earth is hot inside because of uranium decay and friction. The way we power nuclear power plants is by mining uranium 238/235 and separating Uranium 235 from Uranium 238. Just as nuclear power plants work by heating up water, uranium in the ground heats up the ground by it's radiation. And since there is so much insulation in the ground, the heat stays trapped.

So who is right in this perpetual motion debate? The evil suppressing scientists or the know-it-all scientist wannabes?

If you're right about this made up aether and all this other nonsense, why can't you or anyone else produce a perpetual motion machine?

So are you suggesting that the earth's core is made up of uranium? A ball large enough to melt this planet 50 times over. where did you get this nonsence from? Alright, then Mr. scientist why don't you tell me why the earth's magntic north pole is shifting toward siberia at 40 miles per year since 2004. Does that have something to do with radiation....hmmm i think not.

And back to the scientist wannabes I will personally invite you to California to test my perpetual energy device in January. You bring your equipment and all the naysaying faculty you can muster. Are you game?

[Aaron]

aetheric gravity model

The weakness in my ping pong ball theory is as follows.

As I said, when an electron causes the electrical poles of the aether to line up, the magnetic poles do not line up unless there is movement of the electron. This poses a problem because it is expected that the magnetic poles would line up in this condition, so either my model is wrong or another force is acting upon the aether preventing it.

The same thing applies with a magnet, the aether should line up with the magnetic lines of flux causing the electrical poles to line up too but this does not happen unless we have movement of the magnet in relation to electrons in a conductor.

I have been trying to understand this and thought that it must be gravitation that is that is preventing the alignment and that gravitation must be another set of poles on the aether. For this to be the case it would mean that the gravitic poles had to be the same and always in attraction and not opposite. What would support this is the fact that no anti gravity material has yet been found.

Aaron, your theory of gravity being a current of aether does make good sense though, but if this is the case, what prevents the alignment of aetheric poles to a static charge other than my theory may be pure fantasy?

The causation of a magnetic field around a wire with a flowing current is why I believe that I must be on the right path, If I am correct it does not prove your theory to be wrong because it may be another force that is yet undiscovered causing the anomaly.

Aaron, please give me your thoughts, maybe we can find an answer together.

Do you have a website for your model?

"what prevents the alignment of aetheric poles to a static charge"

I think it is in a constant state of annihilating itself and then popping back
into our space like "virtual photons" are described and I think that because of the constant flux at such a high frequency that there is no shortage of the presence of the downward moving river available to cause a push on the mass even though much of it is neutralizing, it doesn't all neutralize at the same time. Sort of like snow on a tv station off the air. A chaotic bubbling cauldron. Chaotic with an overall homogeneous order to it.

There appears to be the possibility of moving magnetic current down a wire and having an electric field emanate from the wire (inverse of conventional current) Felix Ehrenhaft: Magnetic Current --- 9 articles I have done some experiments that lead me to believe Ehrenhaf was making magnetic current go down a wire. It can charge a coil with the benefits of amps but no watts.

In any case, Leedskalnin's magnetic particle theory seems to explain a lot of things and perhaps there are both the aetheric particles and their counterpart may be magnetic particles - or perhaps that is just aetheric particles rotating in the opposite direction but of the same charge - I don't know. One thing is certain, conventional science is clueless as to what
magnetism is.

[Aaron]

non perpetual overunity and perpetual motion overunity

This isn't perpetual motion but is an overunity mechanical amplifier. The work needed to lift the small pendulum is less than the work needed to lift the big end of the hammer.

Two-Stage Mechanical Oscillator - A Mechanical Amplifier - Veljko Milkovic - Official presentation



---------------------------------------

But the best I've seen for what looks like perpetual motion is:

Perpetuum Mobile

Perpetual Motion - analyzing the Finsrud GMD (IPMM 6). - YouTube

I think it qualifies as perpetual motion because it is a mechanical device operating under it's own mechanisms - not electromagnetic, not heat, etc... but purely mechanical and having some permanent magnets on pendulums I don't think disqualifies it.

Obviously if it were able to run long enough that the track and ball would wear down, any pivot points would, etc... but for all intents and purposes, it is something that needs no input power from us - put the ball on the track and it just goes and goes - way overunity as it is overcoming friction on the track and is performing work with levers moving, etc...

[mbrownn]

Do you have a website for your model?

"what prevents the alignment of aetheric poles to a static charge"

I think it is in a constant state of annihilating itself and then popping back
into our space like "virtual photons" are described and I think that because of the constant flux at such a high frequency that there is no shortage of the presence of the downward moving river available to cause a push on the mass even though much of it is neutralizing, it doesn't all neutralize at the same time. Sort of like snow on a tv station off the air. A chaotic bubbling cauldron. Chaotic with an overall homogeneous order to it.

There appears to be the possibility of moving magnetic current down a wire and having an electric field emanate from the wire (inverse of conventional current) Felix Ehrenhaft: Magnetic Current --- 9 articles I have done some experiments that lead me to believe Ehrenhaf was making magnetic current go down a wire. It can charge a coil with the benefits of amps but no watts.

In any case, Leedskalnin's magnetic particle theory seems to explain a lot of things and perhaps there are both the aetheric particles and their counterpart may be magnetic particles - or perhaps that is just aetheric particles rotating in the opposite direction but of the same charge - I don't know. One thing is certain, conventional science is clueless as to what
magnetism is.

No I don't have a website model and I have never seen anything that resembles it. I wish I knew how to create a visual model but I don't so we will have to make do with imagination for now.

In my model you will get alignment to a static field but in one plane only and the aether continues to spin, not allowing the other poles to line up. If we introduce movement or energy this stops the spin and allows the pole at 90 degrees to line up. So in the case of static electricity we get the electrical poles of the aether to line up and the aether continues to spin. With electrical current flow the electrical poles line up and the magnetic poles line up causing the magnetic field around the wire.

What we need to do is create a static charge so that the electrical poles line up and find a way to cause the magnetic poles in the aether to line up at the same time without us consuming energy. This will then cause a current flow with the input of energy being only from the aether, its energy being equal to the spin that is lost. We have exactly those conditions at the moment a switch opens on a coil and that is when we get the radiant spike.

If we could do it without passing a current through the wire in the first place, this would be the basic circuit Circuit Simulator Applet

To make it work we, in theory, would only have to place a magnet at the side of the high voltage wire at 90 degrees but of course in practice it does not work so we are missing something. I believe whatever that something is was used on the Testica machine, the gray motor and the Moray device.

The virtual aether like you describe is similar to Tom Beardons explanation but for me that isn't enough as it would involve creating aether out of nothing as well as it disappearing into nothing.

The magnetic current thing sounds like it is just what we need to run a motor, AMPS, so I will look into that. the same goes for Leedskalnin's magnetic particle theory.

I have searched all over the net and as yet haven't found anything that can explain what magnetism really is, nor anything that can explain why you get it round a current carrying wire, the answer seems to be, it just is. My theory can answer some of the questions but as yet it is incomplete. Lets call it Mbrownn's theorem for now