Magnacoaster

[willy96]

I didn't say I accepted it, on face value or otherwise, that's just the post I
chose to quote, I could have quoted one of Rickoff's posts, he is a quality
investigator and seems to have come to a rational conclusion, I chose not to
so that he won't need to waste his valuable time replying because of my
quoting him.

I think it looks like someone who wanted to say his piece but not under his
regular screen name, so as to avoid long and pointless argument, troll or not
no one argued with the poster. And I can assume stuff if others can.

Tesla's financial dealings are not in question here, and I believe he was
scammed, not the other way around. When people invent so much real
working stuff (like Tesla) then the financial dealings are a separate matter.
When a person has a questionable device with no proof of the claims and
an already shady financial manner there is cause for concern.

The price of the unit is enough for me, the pricing is in line with Nigerian
Scammers prices.

In my opinion people should be careful with the word "troll". That is a very
derogatory "label".

Cheers

farmhand ..

can you kindly replicate my latest video ..

if it has your intrest i have stuff that will put all to shame ..

you can do those next! you will be then as high as you can get !



and the cost from me to you is free ! how can you price knowalage ..
and for joe ! he is a damm good guy . imho

i got lots more for joe too!

W

ps farmhand i did not want to get off on the wrong foot with you .. hence why i shut you out at the start ..

i work in weird ways bro

comeing up next is the H.V.S.S.T high voltage silver spinner technology
you have seen NOTHING LIKE IT PEROID !

hands down blow your mind ... like UNBELEAVEABLE
be lucky it dont take the head right off ya ...
it has the effect of causeing people to think them selfs nuts...

careful

[Armagdn03]

There is a Tesla switch based charger that I've heard of where the diodes are reversed compared. Diodes have reverse leak current that can allow part of an HV spike through. The remainder of the HV spike will be "reflected" into a negative voltage at the diode, which pulls the leaked current back through the diode. While current is moving in that system (it only might be able to recharge batteries, it's not confirmed), the net current used is close to 0.

That's not to say this is not a scam (because it wouldn't be the first scam that ran on exactly this plot), but backwards diodes are not reason to "send somebody home".

I would like to know what conclusion Brent's (the dragon who gave $1 000 000) "team of engineers" came to when they examined the technology internally. My understanding is that the deal fell-through, but nobody really talks about why.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...coaster-3.html: Old thread about this topic.

I know what you are talking about, but this was not the case, this was a case of pure stupidity and getting ahead of one self. I dont think this is a scam, I think this is someone trying to make something work he does not really understand.

[Farmhand]

farmhand ..

can you kindly replicate my latest video ..

if it has your intrest i have stuff that will put all to shame ..

you can do those next! you will be then as high as you can get !



and the cost from me to you is free ! how can you price knowalage ..
and for joe ! he is a damm good guy . imho

i got lots more for joe too!

W

ps farmhand i did not want to get off on the wrong foot with you .. hence why i shut you out at the start ..

i work in weird ways bro

comeing up next is the H.V.S.S.T high voltage silver spinner technology
you have seen NOTHING LIKE IT PEROID !

hands down blow your mind ... like UNBELEAVEABLE
be lucky it dont take the head right off ya ...
it has the effect of causeing people to think them selfs nuts...

careful

No prob's Willy, I did throw a lot of questions at you, so I probably got the
response I deserved, in retrospect. I don't hold grudges anyway, no point
to that. I'll check out the video, but I can't make any promises, I'm very busy
with regular work for a while.

Cheers

[LetsReplicate]

I know what you are talking about, but this was not the case, this was a case of pure stupidity and getting ahead of one self. I dont think this is a scam, I think this is someone trying to make something work he does not really understand.

Yeah, I hadn't quite seen the patent picture at that point either because I'd started at the beginning of the old thread. The person who drew that picture does not understand diode function.

Tesla's financial dealings are not in question here, and I believe he was
scammed, not the other way around. When people invent so much real
working stuff (like Tesla) then the financial dealings are a separate matter.
When a person has a questionable device with no proof of the claims and
an already shady financial manner there is cause for concern.

The price of the unit is enough for me, the pricing is in line with Nigerian
Scammers prices.

In my opinion people should be careful with the word "troll". That is a very
derogatory "label".

If you believe even a tenth of the rumors about Tesla then he would have been more than capable of building a free energy transmission machine and giving it to the world just to spite Edison and JP Morgan (If I were in his place, I certainly would have). The fact that he didn't do that indicates that he probably was not capable of doing so.

What do we really know about the negotiations between Tesla and JP Morgan? Tesla certainly didn't have a working device then, nor a working prototype (which is what caused the cost over-runs) and the amount of money he was trying to get was WELL over "Nigerian Scam" level. Perhaps it's possible that JP Morgan just got fed-up with the "we'll have it working soon" statements, and when he got his engineers to look the power transmission idea over: decided it was all a scam. That interpretation CAN be read into the events that occurred. It's really all a matter of who's side of the story you believe: remember we only ever hear of the altruistic, genius, Tesla, and not about his depressive, delusional and paranoid cycles. He was both, and nobody can deny that.

It's sad, but the $45 000 for the Vorktex is only "competitively priced" (business jargon for "everything is overpriced") with solar technologies. Try to get a solar or wind setup for the same supposed power output and you'll be paying just as much, if not more money. That is the reason over-priced free energy scams exist: REAL energy is highway robbery.

..."it takes one to know one"... I am a troll, have been for years now: it's more entertaining, and less harmful than television. When the idea of Let's Replicate began it became apparent that somebody would have to wade though the "free energy" forums and blogs looking for the real information and pointing out the scams. Who would be better to fill that job opening than a troll with a degree in electronics and telecommunications? This job makes it so I'm not anonymous any more though, which means I only get to "troll for great justice" (aka beat up on charlatans misrepresenting science an making claims they can't support). As it stands the inventor of the Vorktex has made VERY few scientific claims at all, which means that aside from being sure that he doesn't really know what he's doing (which he freely admits): there is no hard evidence that I've seen to indicate that it is a scam. Odds that if I got my hands on one that opinion would change pretty fast though.

[Farmhand]

Well I'm not going to get into an argument with a self confessed troll.

But I would like to say that.

I don't think Tesla was always or ever altruistic in the way many portray it.
I don't think Tesla stuff is all about free energy. Though all energy is free, it is
harnessing and storing it that costs us money, we don't make it.
I don't think Tesla had any intentions of providing everyone with free power.
Making the means to have power transmitted cheaply without wires is a lot
different to actually providing the energy to transmit for free.

Maybe Tesla had good reason to be depressed and paranoid and maybe he
wasn't delusional as he was portrayed to be.

Cheers

[willy96]

here is my latest toy ..

true vortex!

i bang it is spinns .. fast

i designed this unit with and on V.O.P

UNTOUCHABLE !

W

Advanced High Voltage Silver Spinner Technology H.V.S.S.T. - YouTube

i really like it .. when i touch it ... it puts out 10vdc 0 input ...

you know the other kool thing .. it spins 1 way in my left hand and the other way in my right

btw 1 turn secondary ... over 20vdc showen per turn... and i could make it 1000's of volts per 1 turn..
input 1.2vdc maybe it needs a regen to keep its time

[LetsReplicate]

Maybe Tesla had good reason to be depressed and paranoid and maybe he
wasn't delusional as he was portrayed to be.

Trolls are the devils advocates. I've been asked to avoid arguing with people where possible for this job but sometimes I slip up and join a conversation that turns into an argument. I should really stop posting in this thread now since it is no longer on the topic of science but feel a strong desire to address this statement because it's one of my "hot buttons":

Being delusional (holding a belief in absence of evidence) is a necessary step in invention. When a delusion fails (not all of his did), it triggers a depressive episode (which are well documented in the case of Tesla, the worst was after his pigeon died). The depression is caused by having to reform your belief system to fit a new situation. Depression leads to paranoia with near 100% certainty.

His depression was not caused by his circumstances, it was a part of his personality. Depressive people tend to be more pragmatic, which is beneficial to science. Tesla was only as successful as he was because of his depressive episodes, and not in spite of it.

Manic people (Edison for example) do not get depressed when they fail, but they don't change their beliefs as a result of the failure, they permanently hold the delusion, which is a hindrance to science because they will ignore evidence that refutes their belief.

[willy96]

why not post here ?

he ues my fuc#ing work ...


i post as i like ..

dont like it .. G.T.F.O!

W

SOME WASTED THERE LIFE FIGUREING THIS OUT OTHERS WILL WASTE SEVERAL LIVES AND NOT FIGURE IT OUT ...

i did it in a few years ...

where you at ?... i have just begun .. i already own the most advanced things on this planet .. and have 1000's more to create ...

[Farmhand]

OK so rather than get off topic. I take it you don't think the figures I gave in
post #8 make any sense. To me it's perfectly logical and works out nicely.

I don't think I am far from the mark. If a system is advertised as 10 Kw but can
only produce 10 Kw for a % of time or at less than 100% duty then isn't that
misleading or scamming ? It does produce 10 Kw of power so that is true but
people expect that rating to be a continuous power rating regardless of if the
output is pulsed or not.

The continuous maximum power output can be 1 KW while the pulsed output
can be 10 Kw at 10% duty.

In my opinion the figures are most likely in line with what I posted in reply #8.

There is no need to get off topic.

I mean what are the chances that he can produce 10 Kw continuous from 1 Kw
input. As compared to the chance of him transforming the 1 KW DC into 2 x 7 Kw
outputs at 8% duty pulses ?

If the two outputs produce 14 Kw between them then why isn't it a 14 Kw
system. Coupling the system to solar panels is convenient because the panels
can harness energy, but the output is constantly fluctuating so making output
measurements difficult.

Here' a good way to tell if it is a scam. Order 10 x 10 Kw units from him, pay
up front, with a promise of ordering another 100 units, and see what happens.
If you even get one of the units I will be surprised. Then you can test them.

If the setup is not a scam you should have at least one unit in very short
time, being that any good businessman would drop everything to fill a
$450 000 dollar order especially with the promise of a further $4.5 million dollar order.

The way I see it if a unit is ordered and not received in a reasonable time
frame then when the customer asks for their money back and it is not given,
then it is a scam even before the device is looked at.

A good scammer will collect as many orders as possible without sending
anything out. If they have a dodgey product and quickly fill the first order
then word will get around and the scammer might not get any more orders.

It also occurs to me that if even one unit was sold and worked as described
we would have heard about it. Being that it would be C.O.P. 10.

Cheers

[Farmhand]

Being delusional (holding a belief in absence of evidence) is a necessary step in invention.

I don't think your definition of "Delusional" is entirely correct either.

This is the definition from Wiki. I think it makes more sense than the definition
you posted and mine has two source's.

Delusion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A delusion is a false belief held with absolute conviction despite superior evidence.

Another source

delusion - definition of delusion by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

1.
a. The act or process of deluding.
b. The state of being deluded.
2. A false belief or opinion: labored under the delusion that success was at hand.
3. Psychiatry A false belief strongly held in spite of invalidating evidence, especially as a symptom of mental illness: delusions of persecution.

Quite a bit different from your definition.

Maybe Tesla had seen superior evidence for his beliefs in his own experiments,
that others did not see. There would be little way of knowing everything Tesla
was aware of. Or what anyone is aware of, in the entirety of their awareness
for that matter.


Cheers

[Dave45]

why not post here ?

he ues my fuc#ing work ...


i post as i like ..

dont like it .. G.T.F.O!

W

SOME WASTED THERE LIFE FIGUREING THIS OUT OTHERS WILL WASTE SEVERAL LIVES AND NOT FIGURE IT OUT ...

i did it in a few years ...

where you at ?... i have just begun .. i already own the most advanced things on this planet .. and have 1000's more to create ...

Dude we dont care what you know or dont know, one man knowing does no one any good
and if you dont like what Im saying you can G.T.F.O.

what an ars
people like

[willy96]

ok i have in the past spoke on the fone to richard ..


this is real power .. not just flat power real big power !

i have a rectifier .. that he blows up easly ...

it is a 1/4 meggawatt this is real ..

it is not as you all think ...

it does as he says bounces inside there as per the truned diode ... as well he gets his majour ampliflication in the breaking of primary supply then that inrush current is bounced ..

he never told me any of it .. and i quized him on tesla .. wich he never understood !

anyways

its verry real ..

W

i have been working with magnets and high frequency for sometime .. the grid runs 60 hz... what dont you under stand ?
if you run something faster .. what will be ... ? so he runs at high voltage high frequency high amparage ... slow it down step it down what do you have ? now if ya tunned it right ...... you can ring it .. and blow the fuc#ing thing up !

can you pop a 250 000 watt diode DAVY! have you ever weilded a reed switch from a few volts ..
how else ya gonna do it? i know use magnets and amp it ...

[Felix_the_cat]

Troll

If Troll Then Goto Inquire Magnacoaster. ; )

[LetsReplicate]

Maybe Tesla had seen superior evidence for his beliefs in his own experiments,
that others did not see. There would be little way of knowing everything Tesla
was aware of. Or what anyone is aware of, in the entirety of their awareness
for that matter.

Tesla believed that the Soviets had figured out how to build his "death ray" even though all his attempts to demonstrate the effect failed. In fact, every one of the death ray concepts from the same era failed to prove functionality.

The undocumented experiments that he did on his own would be subject to "confirmation bias". Confirmation bias is the reason independent testing of replications are required before an idea can be accepted scientifically. A person holding a delusion will always find a way to mistakenly confirm it to themselves.

Your argument is based on what level of confirmation defines the line between "a delusion", and "being wrong while insisting you're right". That line would be defined by an external observer which would not be able to confirm his beliefs from his self-confirmation and therefore declare him delusional.

From the perspective of an observer limited to the knowledge of accepted science: all new ideas are delusions being held by people until independently confirmed. This is true because the egregor (collective group mind) holds a different belief, which is accepted as truth (or "overwhelming evidence" if you prefer) until refuted with evidence.

Imagine an elephant somehow got into your living room. It absolutely destroys the place, smashes the TV, then leaves leaving no obvious evidence that it was there aside from the destruction. You try to collect insurance on the TV, but nobody believes it was an elephant: they think you smashed the TV yourself. They think you might be crazy (seeing imaginary elephants is pretty crazy), so they call a doctor. Despite being right, and insisting that you are right, what is the likelihood that the doctor will think that you are not suffering from a delusion?

If Troll Then Goto Inquire Magnacoaster. ; )

I'm not the only altruistic troll that's "on the job":

Convince the Famous FE Skeptic

On July 12, 2009, New Energy Congress member Eric Krieg wrote:

There is nothing new about this company. I've seen dozens of such claims over the last 12 years. There are very common power mismeasurement mistakes that lead people to believing they have an over unity machine. Joe Newman has also claimed imminent mass production of such systems for more than 30 years now. I don't claim to know which people are mistaken and which are knowingly operating a criminal enterprise. My open offer to all these companies and now magnacoaster via this email is:

"If you really do have a power multiplier or something that makes net energy out of nothing, then your device would usher in a golden new age of cheap energy. It would greatly turn around our dying world economy, reduce pollution, roll back global warming and help every people group except a small number of oil producing countries who tend to hate us. But what stands between you and massive wealth and world adoration is credibility. You must have a problem of being considered delusional or out right crooks by the majority of people you deal with. Allow me to take part in a simple test that would give you instant credibility and help you more clearly stand apart from a pathetic century of history of crooks and kooks who pretty much have been regularly making the same claim as you. Please take a look at my open $10,000 offer for real proof of one of these things at: http://www.phact.org/e/freetest.html

"Far more useful than just the 10k from me would be the positive media exposure I could get you. I have gotten many TV and newspaper stories done about free energy claims for years and the producers always tell me that they would jump on a story about me actually finding one to really work."

I'm just the one with the technical background to explain how the idea is supposed to relate to currently accepted science. Scientifically: this object is no different from a Bedini HV pulse battery charger that have been around for a long time now.

[dR-Green]

From the perspective of an observer limited to the knowledge of accepted science: all new ideas are delusions being held by people until independently confirmed. This is true because the egregor (collective group mind) holds a different belief, which is accepted as truth (or "overwhelming evidence" if you prefer) until refuted with evidence.

Imagine an elephant somehow got into your living room. It absolutely destroys the place, smashes the TV, then leaves leaving no obvious evidence that it was there aside from the destruction. You try to collect insurance on the TV, but nobody believes it was an elephant: they think you smashed the TV yourself. They think you might be crazy (seeing imaginary elephants is pretty crazy), so they call a doctor. Despite being right, and insisting that you are right, what is the likelihood that the doctor will think that you are not suffering from a delusion?

But now you have shifted the matter from what is the person making the claim thinking to what are you thinking about what he is thinking. These are two entirely different things. Someone who is classed as being "delusional" in psychiatry is only "delusional" according to what the doctrine of psychiatry believes, or has been told, is "reality". This tends to change with time as the evidence repeatedly shows, so is it reality? Is that person really delusional, or is it just you who believes he is? In fact it is the majority who are delusional, and they get away from this fact by shifting the blame at the ones who can see through it. What the collective group mind believes is not reality, and does not make those who speak of reality delusional. Just like the earth was never flat in reality. But because those who were afraid of the truth wanted to protect their beliefs, they had to say that it was the other people that were delusional. If there is any example of delusion, the majority of people are it. Poor delusional fools, right? They can't see the benefits of joining the herd, their minds are surely broken. We'll fix them up for their own good. There isn't even any psychological definition for any of this collective group mind delusional state, because the educated people who make up the classifications and definitions are suffering from the effects themselves so they can't see any of it. In order to have any term such as "delusional" there must equally be an "opposing" contrasting experience in order to make the delusion stand out. In simple terms, it comes down to what do the psychiatrists and psychologists believe at that moment in time. If you're so unfortunate as to believe something different, then you my friend are screwed. But the next question is, are you more crazy if you pretend to believe what they believe so they leave you alone and don't have the opportunity to call you delusional than if you say what you know to be true.