Battery Secrets by Peter Lindemann

[ibpointless2]

Ok so i bought a copy of the video and watch it today too. The biggest thing i got from the video was that lead acid batteries are like Fuel cells. The making of water is where the electrical power comes from. The charging of a battery is electrolysis and is splitting the water up and sending the hydrogen and oxygen to there desired plates.

So when a battery is fully charged does it lack water in the electrolyte?

This whole thing about the battery making water to make electricity is still a little confusing to me. When i think of a battery i think of two different metals in a electrolyte. One metal gives up its electrons to the other metal thus we have power. The metals want to be at equal electrons.

[Peter Lindemann]

That's the Point....

Ok so i bought a copy of the video and watch it today too. The biggest thing i got from the video was that lead acid batteries are like Fuel cells. The making of water is where the electrical power comes from. The charging of a battery is electrolysis and is splitting the water up and sending the hydrogen and oxygen to there desired plates.

So when a battery is fully charged does it lack water in the electrolyte?

This whole thing about the battery making water to make electricity is still a little confusing to me. When i think of a battery i think of two different metals in a electrolyte. One metal gives up its electrons to the other metal thus we have power. The metals want to be at equal electrons.

Dear Pointless,

You are only confused because you cling to your earlier beliefs. My lecture clearly lays out the known facts and the accepted chemical formulas for how the battery works. I have never seen one book explain the action of a battery as "one metal gives up it's electrons to the other metal". That explanation is "mysticism" for sure!

When the battery is fully charged, there is LESS WATER in the electrolyte, YES! This is measured as a higher density of ACID. Why is this difficult to understand? It is measurably true and expressed clearly in the chemical formulas in the books.

Don't be hard on yourself. Your confusion will eventually dissipate. Just watch the film a couple more times. You'll get it! It took John and I a while to grasp this as well.

Good luck,
Peter

[ibpointless2]

Dear Pointless,

You are only confused because you cling to your earlier beliefs. My lecture clearly lays out the known facts and the accepted chemical formulas for how the battery works. I have never seen one book explain the action of a battery as "one metal gives up it's electrons to the other metal". That explanation is "mysticism" for sure!

When the battery is fully charged, there is LESS WATER in the electrolyte, YES! This is measured as a higher density of ACID. Why is this difficult to understand? It is measurably true and expressed clearly in the chemical formulas in the books.

Don't be hard on yourself. Your confusion will eventually dissipate. Just watch the film a couple more times. You'll get it! It took John and I a while to grasp this as well.

Good luck,
Peter

I bought the video to see if your ideas would help to explain the effects I see in the batteries I make. You said " I have never seen one book explain the action of a battery as "one metal gives up it's electrons to the other metal". That explanation is "mysticism" for sure!" --- this is very interesting to me.

I spend most of my time now in the Bedini Earth light thread where I make crystal batteries. I've made a crystal battery that really don't make sense, because it charges itself. I even shorted one test cell out for 3 months and within 2 days it was back to normal working voltage all by itself.

You say that the battery is a fuel cell, when it creates water it creates electricity. But what if the battery lacked a liquid median? What if the batteries electrolyte was completely dry and no water is formed? My confusion stems from my work with my crystal batteries. My crystal batteries work by a dry median, they produce power and never create water nor do they need water to run. I'm wondering if the power that a battery gives comes from something much different? I don't mean to sound crazy.

[Aaron]

dipole

You say that the battery is a fuel cell, when it creates water it creates electricity. But what if the battery lacked a liquid median? What if the batteries electrolyte was completely dry and no water is formed? My confusion stems from my work with my crystal batteries. My crystal batteries work by a dry median, they produce power and never create water nor do they need water to run. I'm wondering if the power that a battery gives comes from something much different? I don't mean to sound crazy.

There aren't any more or less electrons in the battery whether it is
charged or discharged - so it isn't filling up of something or being emptied
of something. The difference is the potential difference at the terminals.

The more acid in the water, the more potential difference. The less acid
the less potential difference and therefore, the weaker the battery -
and not because it is running out of anything.

Just my opinion, but I believe this is showing that the battery indeed
is acting as a dipole breaking the symmetry of the vacuum energy. That is
where the car battery gets its energy and so does the crystal batteries.

[Peter Lindemann]

Apples and Oranges

I bought the video to see if your ideas would help to explain the effects I see in the batteries I make. You said " I have never seen one book explain the action of a battery as "one metal gives up it's electrons to the other metal". That explanation is "mysticism" for sure!" --- this is very interesting to me.

I spend most of my time now in the Bedini Earth light thread where I make crystal batteries. I've made a crystal battery that really don't make sense, because it charges itself. I even shorted one test cell out for 3 months and within 2 days it was back to normal working voltage all by itself.

You say that the battery is a fuel cell, when it creates water it creates electricity. But what if the battery lacked a liquid median? What if the batteries electrolyte was completely dry and no water is formed? My confusion stems from my work with my crystal batteries. My crystal batteries work by a dry median, they produce power and never create water nor do they need water to run. I'm wondering if the power that a battery gives comes from something much different? I don't mean to sound crazy.

Dear Pointless,

The so called "Crystal Battery" that John Bedini has taught you how to build is NOT a BATTERY in the classical sense. My lecture is about the chemistry of the Lead-Acid Battery, which is an electro-chemical storage device. What John has shown you how to build is a "semi-conductor device" that converts some kind of ambient energy (gravity, heat, whatever) into a potential gradient across a semi-conductor junction. The energy can flow in one direction, but it cannot flow back. This allows the natural oscillation in the ambient energy to produce an electrical "bias" that is converted into a dipole.

As you say, you can short the cell out, but once you open the circuit again, the potential difference returns. This is not the action of a battery. It is more like a solar cell, except that it operates on a different frequency of energy other than visible light.

Don't confuse the two, because they are not related.

Peter

[st.eve]

mysterious chemistry

hello all

nice to have found this forum and all connected with it.

peter, i have just watched "battery secrets" as a long time follower of your work (and also that of john and tom bearden)

as someone with a fairly strong background in chemistry, i would be very interested in some dialog regarding the lead-acid chemical processes.
i don't know whether this is the right place...?

[Peter Lindemann]

Check your Private Message

hello all

nice to have found this forum and all connected with it.

peter, i have just watched "battery secrets" as a long time follower of your work (and also that of john and tom bearden)

as someone with a fairly strong background in chemistry, i would be very interested in some dialog regarding the lead-acid chemical processes.
i don't know whether this is the right place...?

Dear Steve,

I've sent you a PM.

Peter

[alvarohn]

wow

Wow, clearest than water

That explain the difference in spark size in my mechanical commutator when I charge a relatively sane battery vs a very sulfated one.

best,

Alvaro

Hi Mario, et al,

Thank you all for a considered discussion on these topics. The most important thing to keep in mind, is that we have all been learning as we go.

The terminology of "Negative Energy" and "Positive Energy" was Tom Bearden's first attempt to inform us all that there was a QUALITY DIFFERENCE between these two manifestations of electricity that the meters were saying were identical. This was a gigantic philosophical leap for most people, at the time, but as usual, Tom was right! Whether "Negative Energy" and "Positive Energy" are the best ways to characterize these differences is not the point.

If we simply observe the "facts on the ground" we can come to a reasonable understanding. In the case of the various chargers that John has been testing over the last 10 years, let us say that "Negative Energy" is that quality of electricity that comes from AN INDUCTIVE COLLAPSE. It is produced by a MAGNETIC FIELD in natural free-fall after the current that produced it has been discontinued (open circuit).

Its effect on a battery is unique. In response to the impedance (resistance) in the cells, the inductive collapse will produce an ever rising voltage to overcome it. Once this potential hurdle has been overcome, then it will produce current to complete the discharge. The higher the impedance, the higher the voltage will rise and the less current will be supplied. The lower the impedance, the lower the voltage will rise and the higher the current will be supplied. The response is completely self regulating, and the battery always gets as much energy transferred into it as it can receive, in the shortest period of time.

Let us also say that "Positive Energy" is that quality of electricity that comes from A CAPACITOR DISCHARGE. It is produced by a DIELECTRIC FIELD in natural free-fall after the voltage that produced it has been discontinued (short circuit).

Its effect on the battery is quite different. In response to the impedance in the cells, the capacitive discharge will produce a TIME VARIANT discharge rate, since the voltage cannot rise above its initial value. It is characterized by a current surge with a dropping voltage component. By contrast, the inductive collapse is characterized by a voltage surge with a dropping current component.

What John found, after exhaustive testing, is that both of these methods charge the battery quite well. Personally, I believe, from what I have seen, that the Inductive Collapse methods work a little better for restoring lost capacity in a battery and Capacitor Discharge works a little better for maintaining a battery. In other words, there are trade-offs.

The other thing John found is that the Capacitor Discharge method of charging a battery was universally compatible with other commercial methods, while the Inductive Collapse method was not. Batteries were just fine if they were ALWAYS charged with Inductive Collapse, but their performance was extremely poor if the charging method varied between Inductive Collapse and other commercial methods.

This is the reason why John eventually changed all of his commercial designs over to these universally compatible methods......so people would not blame him for ruining their batteries when they didn't use his chargers.

I hope this discussion of these issues of helpful.

Peter

[Aaron]

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