The electric field of a magnet

[nueview]

i think there is a question i want to ask you right now and it pertains to this very point and tesla and don smith even walter russel and schauberger works.

in the drawing i posted about magnets and fields a few posts back if you look at it the charge spin and magnetic spins are both double field actions and quadranted as they should be but they are half off set from each other so if they were in a line the poles would be charge and current then charge and current and so on down the line the main point to remember is that this is a magnet showing its stuff what about a rock it is a no show so what is it?
Martin

[MonsieurM]

I think we got a handle on what the electron is, but what is magnetism, lines of force, but what force, whats its composition,

the real question is....is it an effect or a cause (the source)

[nueview]

now that is the trillion dollar question.
what are fields in general. we use them and demonstrate many effects from them.
even tesla said we may never know what they are but they do exist and are not nothing as many would sermize.

i do not know the answer but i do know that as don smith says there is a phase shift from one to the other and back and it is this shifting were the power resides.

lets say the vacuum of space is full of magnetic lines the faster you want to go the more current is generated so speed is limited directly for matter .
the same would be true for charge and tension.

i do not have the answer for you but do think allot about it.
Martin

[nueview]

i have been thinking about dave's post a great compilation of tesla comments and his work.
and about the magnetics and statics the static or efield seems to be light and motion and voltage pressure and speed seem to be about its core function while the magnetic which seems to move and order the structure of the static is more or less a derived function from the static.
all the energy we seem to aquire seems to come from some exagerated state of these naturally balanced forces even the matter itself.
the damping forces seem to be more prevalent though. as if they are matched pairs in nature until some action is elevated beyond normal.
such as high temperature high voltage high sound high speed but the magnetic seems to be the odd man outunless it is excellerated.
it seems the faster something goes in nature the less effect other field actions influence it
just some thoughts about all this.
Martin

magneticfieldaction.png picture by geshbeddin - Photobucket

[MonsieurM]

Spam for the morning anyone

[MonsieurM]

yeah you fix one problem and walk face first into another.
Martin

A tree that hides the forest...the good thing is your facing a different tree

[nueview]

yeah you fix one problem and walk face first into another.
Martin

[MonsieurM]

i an beginning to realy see why tesla thought that matter was the bubble in the ether.
inverse at the boundery layer such as a black hole slower speed transmission and field warping.
could make one wonder what is really going on in a black whole.
it made me think about the lockridge device and about resonant drive for my motor as well and think i am getting it figured out i need to inverse the system operation from how i have been trying to do it going the wrong way and it is blocking me.
Martin

It's good to read you working out the kinks in your project....

[nueview]

i an beginning to realy see why tesla thought that matter was the bubble in the ether.
inverse at the boundery layer such as a black hole slower speed transmission and field warping.
could make one wonder what is really going on in a black whole.
it made me think about the lockridge device and about resonant drive for my motor as well and think i am getting it figured out i need to inverse the system operation from how i have been trying to do it going the wrong way and it is blocking me.
Martin

[nueview]

Great compilation Dave.
i want to thank you for the schematic of the radio it is very similar to the other one i have except for the extra capacitor and the oxide metal diodes.
i think you are right about the table size unit of this type of device.
i can also see where there could easily be an overbuilding of this device for the power needed before it is all worked out.
tesla used very high voltage discharge but do it big get big results.
it is like water hammer the fluid is non compressible but the shock wave has much more energy than the inverse mass kind of like schauberger saying the energy is different from what was expected.
this video was done by someone else but it is to this point as i am seeing it.

Amazing Circuit duplication of Larskro YT-video - YouTube

Martin

[MonsieurM]

Tesla then noticed that the results given by his experiments paralleled the equations for dynamic gas movements, so he began wondering if the white flame discharges might not be a gaseous manifestation of electrostatic force. He found that when a metal point was connected to the upper terminal of the �secondary� coil, the streamers were directed very much like water flowing through a pipe. When the stream was directed at distant metal plates, it produced electronic charges which could be measured as current at the receiving site but in transit, no current existed. The current only appeared when the stream was intercepted. Eric Dollard has stated that this intercepted current can reach several hundred or even thousands of amps.

Interpret it as you want but here goes nothing:

from http://www.energeticforum.com/167942-post1351.html

Dr. John V. Milewski: Growing Gold from Glass in a Microwave - Part 1 - YouTube

ORMUS IS A GAS by John V. Milewski

[MonsieurM]

I know someone who took pictures of them

Thomas Burton Kinraide
(1864 - 1927)

Turn Of The Century Electrotherapy Museum - Original 8x10 and 11x14 Glass Plate Negatives of Electrical Discharges - Thomas Burton Kinraide - ca. 1897

Original ca. 1897 Glass Plate Negatives:
A Rare Collection Of Spark Discharge Photos,
Recovered From Kinraide's Underground Laboratory

[MonsieurM]

Its all coming together now.

the pieces of the puzzle are starting to come together ...indeed

[MonsieurM]

Please remember that a Tesla Coil produces seriously high voltages and is not a toy. Great care is needed around a Tesla Coil so, when it is running, keep well away from it.

[MonsieurM]

this is some amazing info Dave...the more i read...

Magneto-optic effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A magneto-optic effect is any one of a number of phenomena in which an electromagnetic wave propagates through a medium that has been altered by the presence of a quasistatic magnetic field. In such a material, which is also called gyrotropic or gyromagnetic, left- and right-rotating elliptical polarizations can propagate at different speeds, leading to a number of important phenomena. When light is transmitted through a layer of magneto-optic material, the result is called the Faraday effect: the plane of polarization can be rotated, forming a Faraday rotator. The results of reflection from a magneto-optic material are known as the magneto-optic Kerr effect (not to be confused with the nonlinear Kerr effect).

In general, magneto-optic effects break time reversal symmetry locally (i.e. when only the propagation of light, and not the source of the magnetic field, is considered) as well as Lorentz reciprocity, which is a necessary condition to construct devices such as optical isolators (through which light passes in one direction but not the other). (The other, less useful, way to break time reversal symmetry is to rely upon absorption loss.)

Two gyrotropic materials with reversed rotation directions of the two principal polarizations, corresponding to complex-conjugate ε tensors for lossless media, are called optical isomers.

Kerr Rotation and Kerr Ellipticity

Kerr Rotation and Kerr Ellipticity are changes in the polarization of incident light which comes in contact with a gyromagnetic material. Kerr Rotation is a rotation in the angle of transmitted light, and Kerr Ellipticity is the ratio of the major to minor axis of the ellipse traced out by elliptically polarized light on the plane through which it propagates. Changes in the orientation of polarized incident light can be quantified using these two properties.

Circular Polarized Light

from Dave's post:

This train of very short uni-directional pulses causes a very strange field to expand outwards. This field resembles a stuttering electrostatic field but has a far more powerful effect than would be expected from an electrostatic charge. Tesla was unable to account for the enormous voltage multiplication of his apparatus using any of the electrical formula of his day. He therefore presumed that the effect was entirely due to radiant transformation rules which would have to be determined through experimental measurements. This he proceeded to do.