Opposing force is the key to a working gravity wheel !

[Roberval]

[Roberval]

cont, from previous post.

FIG E

This diagram shows a front view of the basic set-up.

A is the central axle. The axle is connected on each end to a support frame using bearings to allow the axle (A) to rotate freely.
B) The main wheel. connected to the axle (A) and free wheels on bearings.
C) the ratchet pendulum drive arm,
D) Gears, 2 gears are used on each opposed pendulum to reverse the drive ratchets rotation. NOTE:, the gears that sit further in the wheel, also have a chain sprocket attached to it, this is not shown but easy to understand, the inner gears are used to reverse the drive pendulum rotation, so it turns in the same direction of the main wheel, a chain and sprocket connected to the inner gears allows connection to the sprockets turning on the axle which are connected to the ratchet pendulum system, one of these central sprockets connect to the inner drive ratchet pendulum, while the other connects to the outer drive ratchet pendulum (J-K).


E-F) The stop of the inner ratchet body, and the stop of the outer body of the pendulum ratchet mechanism.
G) The main wheel hub which contains bearings, this allows the main wheel to free wheel, it is connected to axle (A).
H-I) shows the opposed pendulums ( only partly showing the opposed pendulum H), when faced with resistance the opposed pair of pendulums lift slightly, if there is no resistance they would try to fall to a vertical position,

using many of the drive pendulum systems evenly distributed, e.g. 12 spaced every 30 degrees, 6 fall and transfer their weight to the wheel while 6 are being lifted against gravity placing resistance on the opposing pair of pendulums which stops them from falling. they stay in the arms out position. e.g. 4 o-clock- and 8 o-clock.
J)Outer body of the drive pendulum ratchet, which is part of the drive pendulum arm and weight, is connected to the main axle (A), main axle (A) is connected to the chain and gears of opposed pendulum (I)
K) Inner body of the ratchet type mechanism, the inner ratchet runs on bearings in a hub running on the axle (A).
the sprocket attached to this hub, transfers to another sprocket via chain and gears to the other opposed pendulum (H).
L) Simply a horizontal bar directly connected to the wheel, when the drive pendulum (C) falls it transfers its weight to this bar which allows the main wheel to be driven by gravity, drive pendulum (C) is disconnected from the opposed pendulums (H-I) due to the gap in the ratchet type device.

Hopefully the idea is understandable, working on a different project, using the same principle. "not giving everything away".

The explanation above may confuse some members, the simplest way to make sense of it, is to assume that there are a pair of pairs of opposed pendulums on each side of a wheel,
If one persons feet were attached closer to the fulcrum of 1 pendulum and another persons legs were attached to the second pendulum similar to besslers A legs (resembling something like a pantograph), and both people now join hands and push against each other, the pendulums will swing away from each other, they will swing out equally.
when these A legs are placed on the opposite sides of a wheel, (one set of A legs on the left and another on the right) the wheel remains balanced, this is not the system that powers the wheel, a secondary system is incorporated which makes use of the opposing force, the secondary system drives the wheel, due to the fact that when these pairs of opposed pendulums encounter resistance they keep the wheel balanced, while performing work.
as long as these opposed pendulums have more leverage than the system driving the wheel, the force needed to drive the wheel and do work, is less than the opposed pendulums force, due to the main wheel being balanced, the lighter drive weight ( or alternate drive system) does not need to move a wheel that's heavy on 1 side, so a 1/4 of the opposed pendulum weight and leverage can power the wheel. the opposed A leg pendulum pair can easily can lift the lighter drive weight or run the secondary alternate system that drives the wheel, with spare energy to do work.
trying to get a wheel to turn by using a single system to make one side heavier by levers or balls as in many of besslers drawings won't work.

hope this clears up any confusion.
there are numerous ways to design a system that makes use of this principle, still believe it's possible using an electronic system, with no moving parts.

[Rubberband]

swinging

perpetual motion machine selfrunning - YouTube
Have you seen this?

[Rubberband]

someday

Title07.mpg - YouTube
Still working on this, just got a new clue since posting this...making mods now.

[Roberval]

It's not using the same principle of opposing force, the example of trying to use a weighted drive pendulum system to drive the wheel, due to the force of the opposed lever system, is not what i have been working on.
There are better ways and much improved designs for greater power using the opposing force principle.
I am not stating that it could possibly work, it actually does work.
There is much more that i won't post.

the arms don't swing back and forth like in the youtube video, the opposed pendulum pair keep constant pressure or force on the secondary drive unit, the drive unit causes resistance, if the drive unit has 10NM of resistive force, and the opposed pendulum levers have a combined force of 40NM, the 10NM resistance is overcome.
When turning the wheel, the wheel does not feel the 40NM of the opposed pendulum levers, as they are angled out on each side evenly, so the main wheel is not unbalanced, the wheel turns easily when transferring the 40NM of force from the balanced opposed pendulum levers, to the secondary system diving the wheel.
e.g. a 1000W motor could power a 4000 W or more generator.

Note: the so called opposed pendulums lever pair do not swing left or right, they constantly stay out to the sides, e.g. 4 o clock and 8 o clock. while traveling around a wheel similar to a Ferris wheel.

P:S, The problem with the design posted earlier (as an example), is that the pendulum arms swing when the wheel reaches a certain RPM, it's unstable, But the system of the principle works, now the principle is known, a huge variety of new type of designs using this principle can now be made.
even the swinging pendulums that are positioned outside of besslers wheel, can be used,with the opposing force principle, it would need more pendulums, but is more stable.
The mechanics are the easy part once the principle is known, have probably thought of hundreds of concepts, and always trying to improve the design.

[Roberval]

FIG F
simple math which shows how the torque or resistance of using opposing force to power a generator using a lower powered motor is possible,
due to the generators torque being transfered to the 4 pendulum, or weighted lever arms, in equal and opposite directions.
Note: some members may not understand that the generator rotor and the generator stator both turn so the slippage of the rotor passing the stator can now transfer the same equal opposite force to the opposite pendulum arm via the gears or chains.
when an electric motor powers the main wheel, with pendulum lever A and C connected to the generator rotor at twice the ratio, of the wheel speed, when resistance comes into play, the rotor is trying to push or turn the stator in the same CCW direction, the stator only turns at 1 RPM, and allows the force from the rotor to place an equal and opposite amount of force on the pendulums B and D, due to the rotor trying to push into stator, and the stator trying to push away from the rotor.


if the wheel turns CW ( the 4 pendulum arms naturally turn CCW),
If the generator resistance is 10NM when under full load, and each of the 4 pendulum arms have a 20NM force down force, due to gravity,
The 4 pendulum arms now have a 5NM force trying to lift them up, due to the resistance of the generator.

Pendulum A and C have a 5NM force trying to turn them CW due to the resistance of pushing into the stator. pendulums B and D have a 5NM force trying to turn them CCW due to the stator being pushed by the rotor.
This cancels out the generators resistance, as 2 pendulums are trying to turn the wheel CW while the other 2 are trying to turn the wheel CCW, and the wheel remains balanced.
It now takes less energy to power the wheel due to the opposing force principle, converting the constant downward force of gravity into a usefull way to perform work.

[Rubberband]

Swing?

Hi, your last drawing shows pendulums swinging from A to B and C to D correct? I can't quite grasp what you were saying in your previous post, but it seemed like you were saying that when the wheel turns, the arms keep it in balance. Are you saying that you want to use a motor to turn the wheel, to get the reaction of the arms to continue the rotation of the wheel beyond 30 degrees? does this mean the motor only powers the wheel for 30 degrees? I ask because I see gravity playing a role on both the arms, resisting on the rise, pulling on the fall. Once centrifigal force begins to factor against rotational resistance, the load on the motor would decrease, right?

[Roberval]

Besslers wheel is basically a giant nut cracker.
the difference is that the force of weights on the ends of the levers crack the nut.
2 systems would be needed, to make us of the potential energy.
when you have 1 system that can place an equal an opposite force on a secondary system, work can be done.
both levers of the nut cracker are independent of each other, but remain connected in such a way that they can place an equal and opposite force
upon a secondary drive system, they don't place opposed force on themselves, they place it on a secondary system

It,s the way the opposing force of The 4 heavy opposed pendulum pairs being transferred back to the shaft that they turn on, that keeps it in equilibrium, not the position of the heavy weights. The heavy weights are positioned equally on the left of the wheel and the right side of the wheel acting like a balanced seesaw, if they were bolted to the wheel in that position, your statement would be true.
the opposing force is equal on each side of the wheel, as the opposing force is pushing against the heavy weights.
remember besslers MT drawing of the roberval balance that shows equilibrium, it looks heavy on 1 side, but remains balanced, this illusion is most likely why so many have failed when trying to design a gravity driven wheel, it's misleading looking at the position of the weight and then dismissing the way the torque is transferred though the whole system, the resistance of the torque to turn the generator is what causes the arms to rise, if facing no resistance they are basically nothing more than pendulums attached to a wheel.
the heavy pendulums are in a constant state of free-fall, due to the wheel turning CW and both pendulums turning CCW at the same rpm.
Placing heavy pendulums on a wheel and adding motors to them is the best way to demonstrate the action that is similar to what a generator does when connected to 2 opposed heavy pendulums.
if you have simulation software, run this simple test, it will also allow a better understanding of the pendulums movement as the wheel turns.
FIG -G and FIG-H shows 2 different setups for a simulation test.

place 1 pendulum on the left side of a wheel, attach a motor to the pin, set this motor to run CW with 1000NM of torque so the pendulum tries to swing to the left side of the wheel.
attach a second pendulum on the opposite side, same distance from the wheels center with the motor turning CCW. with 1000NM of torque so the pendulum tries to swing out to the right side of the wheel.
place a motor on the wheels axle or pin,set the motor to 1000NM turning the wheel clockwise.
make sure the pendulums leverage is greater than the torque of the motor,the pendulums should not rotate and spin 360 degrees.
Anchor the wheel to the background, and run the simulation, if the motorized pendulums rotate 360 degrees add more weight to the pendulums, both pendulums should be equal length and weight, if the left side pendulum moves to about the 7 o'clock position, and the right side pendulum moves to the 5 o clock position they should have enough weight to stop them rotating .
remove the anchor to the background.

when running the simulation, the 1000NM motor overcomes the combined 2000NM of torque produced by the 2 motors of the pendulums.
This is easy to explain, the motor on the left pendulum is trying to turn the wheel CCW, this is the opposite direction the motor powering the wheel is turning.
the motor on the right side pendulum is trying to turn the wheel CW, this is the same direction the wheel is turning, this pendulum is helping to turn the wheel CW with 1000 NM of torque.
the motor turning the wheel clockwise, set at 1000 NM of torque easily turns the wheel, the motor still turns the wheel when the torque is set much lower.
This simulation is basically performing in the same way when running a generator.
The big difference from running generators when compared to the simulation using motors on the opposed pair of pendulums, is that it's the generators resistance that causes the opposed pair of pendulums to swing out in equal and opposite directions.
So when viewing the wheel when stationary,the left pendulum tries to rotate clockwise due to the generators resistance placing a clockwise force on the pendulum.
the right side pendulum tries to rotate counterclockwise due to the generators resistance placing a counterclockwise force on the pendulum.
both of the opposed pendulums can not lift up too high and start spinning, due to the pendulums force being much greater than the generators resistance force.
The system helps in turning the wheel on one side in the same direction the wheel is turning, due to an equal and opposite opposing force. This is most likely the trick where the excess energy comes from.

Note: when running the sim, the pendulums will start to swing erratically at higher RPM, this erratic swing hinders the movement.
to help solve this problem in the simulation,adjust the weight of the wheel so it's quite heavy, this allows the wheel to slowly accelerate, reducing the erratic swing of the pendulums.
if running the test using 3 pendulums as in FIG H, the green weighted pendulum runs CW at twice the NM of the 2 orange weighted pendulums running CCW.

The simulation above is only a simple and basic representation using the same principle to what i am working on, but far from the actual improved design, it,s still operates using opposing force through a pair, making the improved design public knowledge would affect a patent.
their are much more improved ways to use this principle of opposing force with a smoother action, e.g. centrifugal force.

if this principle is not true, then what mystical power has transformed the gravity field in the shed ?,
"more likely my interpretation has been incorrectly explained ".
perhaps a better understanding of physics would have helped with explaining the principle more clearly, "perhaps not", could have been brainwashed into thinking that this idea was impossible.
" So the principle as i understand it, though possibly interpreted in the wrong way works, it does allow the potential energy of gravity to be converted into useful work"

The most important part when trying to use gravity to power a wheel is to first find the system that can actually make use of it in a mechanical way, opposing force allows this,
The pair of opposing force pendulums on it's own doesn't turn the wheel, it's the mechanical device that has the ability to catch the energy of gravity which now can be turned into useful mechanical energy, in the same way that the design of a wind turbine blades catches wind energy, which then can be transferred to a mechanical secondary system to do work.
posting a video of a complete working design would help in understanding the principle.
Why post a working wheel, the principle is in the open, the rest of a variety of mechanical designs is up to your own imagination.

The wheel does not need to use a generator and motor, this is my personal choice, due to being able to make a much smaller design with greater power.
The heavy opposed pendulum pair can easily lift up a lighter weight, that has enough torque to drive the wheel.
Hopefully the simulation will give a much better understanding, even though it doesn't show the way it's connected, this is important and was explained earlier in previous posts,

PS: Their is much more information to be made publicly at a later date.
What i will state at the moment is that the number 5 represents a pattern ,that occurs with certain linkages inside the wheel during the rotation, at times the center horizontal line of the 5 pattern is broken, at another point during rotation it takes on the pattern of a Z.
MT 137 shows the arrangement of certain devices, showing 3 pairs.
the AP drawing and certain drawings in the toys page are related as well.

So in the end the "tough nut to crack" statement, was much more than a clue.
Note: besslers clues over the last 18 months made no sense, it's only when discovering a useful system that the clues start to make sense, it's what made me read the story in a different way.
the main message of besslers story, was "opposition" from his enemies.