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Everybody should listen to this Harry M. Markopolos and watch this Keiser Report: Ground Zero of Financial Terrorism (E195) - YouTube, then buy a pitchfork and join any #occupy
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Watching Russia Today via satellite is great for getting a more balanced view - together with the others on offer ie Aljazeera -
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Sign me up for a torch, too m8
And there are the Livestreams; which i highly recommend so people can see what is going on there for themselves. Here's a site that has over a dozen cities to choose from
And here is a pretty good summery of what the Movement is about, by Alan Grayson on Bill Maher's cable TV show (... Maher himself is not a supporter of OCCUPY WALL STREET, btw; and he was previously known for dis'ing 9/11 truth as well which got a lot of protestors in the audience disrupting his shows from time to time).
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Hi Guy's, I applaud those protesting everywhere, though it seems to me we
should be "occupying" the central bank or federal government buildings because they are the real problem.
Wall street is only a symptom of the cause. Wall street is the "wound" that
bleeds, the central banks are the "swords", the central bankers "wield the
swords" and the swords are "placed in their hands" by the governments.
Somehow I don't think just attacking the wound will help much, we need to
break the sword, punish those who wield them and fix the institution
(government) that enabled it to happen.
We can fix the wound but it can be just re-opened by them.
What will the "occupy wall street" achieve ?
Are we asking criminals to behave better for our benefit ?
I don't get what the actual objective is. Anarchy ?
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One of the issues as I see it is this, if some of the police decide to disobey and
not arrest protesters they would be sacked and lose their homes and maybe
their families. If the Police as one force were to change to the side of the
protesters the first person they would need to arrest or should arrest would be
the President.
The arrests would be wide ranging through the government. I can't see that
happening.
What's happening is they are using the opportunity to make good people fight
each other over money and financial security, the police are there only to
secure their own financial security, maybe some of them like it, but for most I say
they just act like they like it.
Once they are on the scene they will react to what is said and done to them
as any person would. I feel for the police who do not really want to be there
but are under the control of thugs.
It's a difficult situation but TPTB will make the best of any opportunity.
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All in all, the best proposal I've seen so far is the one that Rickoff put forward in
the "American Ruling Class" thread, I'm not exactly familiar with the whole
procedure, but the idea is to take back control of the affairs of the Country not
to ask the criminals to behave better.
I think his idea has real merit. If it all works the way he says it seems simple.
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No offense but the whole occupy thing is just a nice distraction. Problem for those in 'power' is that it will help some wake up to the truth. Most still don't care unfortunately.Last edited by jtanguay; 10-13-2011, 03:26 AM.Comment
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Comparing to protests in other countries ?
It seems to me that some of the "occupy" people are comparing the protests
in the U.S. to the protests in other countries, which the U.S. government
supported. The objective of the protests in the other countries was to topple
the government and put the leaders on trial, and yet the occupy wall street
protest in not somehow about that ?
It also seems to me that if in fact the objective of the occupy wall street
thing is to topple the government, then what does that say about the
governments that were toppled by the protests supported by the U.S. government and
the new governments that are now "OK" with the U.S. government. Are they
now to be seen as contrived governments installed by opportunism. A new
central bank board and such was reportedly formed by the Libyan rebels
"before a real government was even formed", which seems very suspicious to me.
Seems like it is all a big pile of twisted sickness. There is no cure for human
greed. The motivator is the money and how it is used. Look to the makers of
the money.
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For instance just look at the huge sums of money involved in a "Presidential Campaign".
How on Earth does being able to draw in a shipload of "donations" have
anything to do with a candidate's worth as a president ?
When the people control the government the government will act in the best
interest of the people.
When the bankers control the government the government will act in the best
interest of the bankers.
When the leader himself controls the government (dictator) the government
will act in the best interest of the leader (dictator).
Seems simple to me. If we elect governments that are controlled by the
bankers the governments will act in the best interest of those bankers, it can
be no other way. This is how the cookie crumbles in my opinion.
The voting seems pointless.
EDIT: This video that nilrehob posted in the first post says it all.
Keiser Report: Ground Zero of Financial Terrorism (E195) - YouTube
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There is a lot of debate now, about the Fed and how it relates to the banks and trading houses (hard to tell the difference between the last two these days, they both speculate illegally).
This debate is a good thing, no?
I find it odd that Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont, the only Independent in the Senate, brought forward real evidence against the Fed that could put many on their board in jail... and most of the so-called truther independent media, and many Paul supporters...
Completely ignored it.
That's right.
See, apparently as long as everything is couched and explained as grand conspiracies...no one can actually do anything about them....
Like demand Prosecution for crimes of corruption.
The fed is only one aspect of the problem. "Money Supply" and cheating us by charging interest ARE NOT responsible for criminal fraud in the markets... they are NOT responsible for banks trading mortgages back and forth like baseball cards illegally, until no one knows where the signed paperwork is. The fed is NOT responsible for Goldman Sachs creating derivatives out of crap, that is KNOWN to be crap, then trading these worthless derivatives up for profit KNOWING THEY WILL EVENTUALLY CRASH... and not giving a damn, because they bought off the entire government to look the other way. The Fed is NOT responsible for hedge funds that BET ON THE ECONOMY TANKING taking over the investment market... a self-fulfilly prophesy that allowed billionaires to PROFIT on the misery of millions of people.
Going after ONLY the fed.. is like lining up 20 mafioso after catching them red-handed... and then only arresting one "capo".
WHY IS IT that the fed-haters on radio usually ignore these actual crimes that CAN BE PROSECUTED?... and only talk about stuff than no can be indicted on?
BTW, most of these same people who push the anti fed stuff on radio and the internet are NOT for alternative energy, in case you wondered. In every case that mattered, they sided with Big Oil.
Go figure...
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I'm sorry Jibbguy, but my contention is the real problem with money stemsOriginally posted by jibbguy View Post
from the all Central banks NOT just the American one. Remember ?
And every fat cat on wall street could be thrown in jail and nothing would
change for long because the mechanism which set it up and allowed it to
happen is still there.
All the wall street "speculation" is backed up by funny money created by the
FED. If the Creation of money was controlled by a government acting in the
best interest of the citizens all this mess would not happen.
Ultimately it is the politicians which allow this to continue and happen in the
first place. And it is the voters who put them there.
So I figure. If we have a machine that makes mess, to fix the problem
properly the machine needs to be fixed AND the mess needs to be cleaned up.
If the machine that made the mess is fixed up so it won't make any more
mess, then there will be no more mess to clean up, if not there will be more mess.
The real problem is the politicians and the peoples inability to elect people
who will act in their best interest.
It's a case of kill the King to end the war as bloodlessly as possible.
Sure you can go through all the bankers, but you'll still end up at the FEDERAL RESERVE BANK.
Another analogy.
The water is poisoned and you want to treat the sick and punish the poisoners but not fix the problem of the poison in the water ?
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cut the head off and the snake will die.
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This one has unfortunatly countless Heads. With which one would you start first?Originally posted by Dave45 View Post cut the head off and the snake will die.Theorizer are like High Voltage. A lot hot Air with no Power behind but they are the dead of applied Work and Ideas.Comment
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