Neat little Motor Generator

[Guruji]

Motor

Ok it was a fake but who knows if this can be done or not cause I saw a self running motor with a big magnets around coils that energize itself.

[Aaron]

batteries

IF it is batteries, so be it - too bad.

I'd still like to see the wiring diagram.

There is a lot of things that can be done with shorted coils.

[toranarod]

Did you ask Bedini if you could use one of his kits for a joke with a Hoax?
I Bet he is not happy about that. No body will buy one of them any more.
this kind of thing creates bad feelings. i will always get a bad vibe when i see one of those design from now on. when you throw **** it sticks.
you haven't done our work any favors.

[TanTric]

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toranord, i dont like to judge but now you are making a storm in a glass of water... mark allready explained is intentions!

you my friend are the only responsible for the feellings you choose!!

peace

[Farmhand]

Well I would think there should be some people not so quick to believe now.

And to think that some people would label those who would question the validity
of these things as "Trolls" . I feel vindicated.

I was quick to apologize when it was suggested I was too direct too quickly and
should give mark a break. But I don't see anyone saying thanks for saving them
time and money. I didn't see anyone else prepared to risk "Face" by asking the
difficult questions. In all reality if people are upset by questions they are
hiding something. This is becoming a remote study in human psychology.

Mark has every right to feel cheated himself, by Romero. And everyone who
participated in the hype is partially responsible. Myself included. I was also
fooled by Romero. But I didn't spend any time or money replicating, I learned
from it too.

All up I think this little exercise was a very valuable reminder of just how easy
it is to fake stuff for an internet video.

And it's not just a self runner that can be faked, so can a lot of other effects
and results. We can't even rely on reputation because it is impossible to
actually know if the person typing under a name is still that same person.

I often use a smiley or positive emoti"con" even if I am mad, because if I
portrayed how I always felt it might be unhelpful to my objective.

I hope that in future when somebody brings up a question about something
they will be listened to.

Without being openly disrespectful we all should speak up if we notice
something we think is off or wrong or might help someone.

I think some people even hesitate to help people with an opinion because
they worry somebody will be "upset" by a differing opinion. We have to be our
own quality control. But not so harsh as to put off the new folks from asking
questions or showing thier works or progress.

One thing that annoys me about some of the so called "guru's" is that they are too
quick to belittle others and think their time is more valuable than other
peoples time. Heaven forbid anyone question anything that they say.

To tell the truth, I was thinking about doing the very same thing that Mark
did. Or I hope it was always Marks intention to come clean. I believe it was
his intention.

I suggest anyone who is angry at Romero for causing them to waste money
should send him an itemized account for time and materials up to the date he
told everyone it was a big fake and stop wasting money. After that little
admission he is obligation free in my opinion. As soon as there was any doubt he should have been pressured.

I can imagine how foolish I would feel if I had of shown several people outside
the FE community Marks video only to have it turn up a fake.

Now I would ask those who say this is possible to show me how they would
wire up a motor generator to run itself with no circuitry, no switch, no
capacitor ? Please explain ? I'm all ears.

Cheers

[Dave45]

I personally think Ramero's motor worked, not sure he knew how it worked but I dont think he was trying to fool anyone.
Dave

[Mark]

Right on Farmhand There is a lot I'd like to add to what you have said. In my opinion there has been a number of people who have prospered on misrepresenting the truth.

[John_K]

So why?

Right on Farmhand There is a lot I'd like to add to what you have said. In my opinion there has been a number of people who have prospered on misrepresenting the truth.

Mark,

Can you please explain what point you are trying to make? If you have something to add to Farmhand's comments please do so.

I'm also interested in what you were actually working on. Was it your intention to show how easy it is to hide a few batteries in the coils? Were you attempting a self runner without the batteries and as an experiment put the batteries in there to see what would happen?

I'm quite surprised that with the hidden batteries that the kit doesn't scream along so are you able to tell us how you have it wired up?


John K.

[Rubberband]

Bad News

Did you ask Bedini if you could use one of his kits for a joke with a Hoax?
I Bet he is not happy about that. No body will buy one of them any more.
this kind of thing creates bad feelings. i will always get a bad vibe when i see one of those design from now on. when you throw **** it sticks.
you haven't done our work any favors.

I agree with you Rod, using some else's product in this manner can be damaging that that product,...I hope John doesn't take actions against him for being a joker using something of his.

[ewizard]

Ever heard of 'Divide and Conquer'. I feel whether intentionally or not that's a little bit of what's going on here. I spent quite a bit of money I didn't really have to waste on buying materials for Romero's motor. I will still go ahead with building it even if it does not work. However I would not have started if I knew it was fake (which I believe still is in question). However what if I had been so jazzed about Mark's motor that I had gone to Bedini's site and spent $150 for the motor like Mark used only to find out it can't do what I thought. Do you think I'd be upset?

I just naturally tend to believe everyone is telling the truth unless I start getting hints they are not. It's my nature to believe in the good in people until proven otherwise. I think most people would prefer to live that way. I would just ask that if anyone in the future decides they want to create a fake OU device for the amusement or for getting people think about how it was done to say so up front.

BTW Farmhand I don't think of you as a troll nor are there many on here. The hardcore trolls are mostly on overunity.com and they are obvious as they will immediately put down anything that generates interest. As I was one of the first to respond to Mark's device I ask in a round about (so as not to be rude) way if there was a battery powering it. But since Mark is not new here I had little reason to believe this was fake.

[chasson321]

If I remember correctly, at the first conference or maybe it was in one of the videos John Bedini mentioned a model he made that ran by itself. I don't remember if it lit any lights but it did run not useing any batteries. I think it was partly made out of wood.

Tim

[MonsieurM]

Ever heard of 'Divide and Conquer'. I feel whether intentionally or not that's a little bit of what's going on here. I spent quite a bit of money I didn't really have to waste on buying materials for Romero's motor. I will still go ahead with building it even if it does not work. However I would not have started if I knew it was fake (which I believe still is in question). However what if I had been so jazzed about Mark's motor that I had gone to Bedini's site and spent $150 for the motor like Mark used only to find out it can't do what I thought. Do you think I'd be upset?

I just naturally tend to believe everyone is telling the truth unless I start getting hints they are not. It's my nature to believe in the good in people until proven otherwise. I think most people would prefer to live that way. I would just ask that if anyone in the future decides they want to create a fake OU device for the amusement or for getting people think about how it was done to say so up front.

BTW Farmhand I don't think of you as a troll nor are there many on here. The hardcore trolls are mostly on overunity.com and they are obvious as they will immediately put down anything that generates interest. As I was one of the first to respond to Mark's device I ask in a round about (so as not to be rude) way if there was a battery powering it. But since Mark is not new here I had little reason to believe this was fake.

If I may just give the good side of it and that is you have acquired more experience (a few dollars less ); and learned much that you could apply your own theory on the matter...as for the Neat little Motor Generator...I will have to side with Farmhand on this one...Replication is the Master of Verification

[Dave45]

Mark just out of curiosity have you checked the voltage in the battery's to see how they are holding up, might be worth a look, may as well work with it you built it.
Dave

[Farmhand]

Ever heard of 'Divide and Conquer'. I feel whether intentionally or not that's a little bit of what's going on here. I spent quite a bit of money I didn't really have to waste on buying materials for Romero's motor. I will still go ahead with building it even if it does not work. However I would not have started if I knew it was fake (which I believe still is in question). However what if I had been so jazzed about Mark's motor that I had gone to Bedini's site and spent $150 for the motor like Mark used only to find out it can't do what I thought. Do you think I'd be upset?

I just naturally tend to believe everyone is telling the truth unless I start getting hints they are not. It's my nature to believe in the good in people until proven otherwise. I think most people would prefer to live that way. I would just ask that if anyone in the future decides they want to create a fake OU device for the amusement or for getting people think about how it was done to say so up front.

BTW Farmhand I don't think of you as a troll nor are there many on here. The hardcore trolls are mostly on overunity.com and they are obvious as they will immediately put down anything that generates interest. As I was one of the first to respond to Mark's device I ask in a round about (so as not to be rude) way if there was a battery powering it. But since Mark is not new here I had little reason to believe this was fake.

Yes of course, I understand completely, there are "trolls" I agree. I think one
of the biggest problems is the pace of things. Everything happens so fast.

To all,
I don't think John has any legal grounds for any action as it was his decision
to put his name across the front of products that were destined to be Owned
by other people. He sold his name on the front of the energizer the same as
he sold the energizer. I could use a Holden car with a GMH badge on it for a
magic trick and they have no right to say anything. Same thing.

If John wants to control where his name is seen he should not have put it on
products for sale. I don't see any reason for any action, legal or otherwise.

If people thought that the name on the front of a product would restrict the
use of the product they bought and own, then they might think twice before
buying it.

It is impossible to prove overunity as in energy with no source in my opinion.
In my opinion all energy has a source.

I think there needs to be some debate of Terms and meanings of terms used
and so forth. Even a device which harvests free energy from somewhere like
the Aether is not really OU because it has a source which is depleted
temporarily to provide the energy for use.

There are so many different meanings and uses for common terms it is
madness, two people talk to each other using the same words and they are
saying different things. We need a uniform use of terms.

And in my opinion OU or Overunity should be omitted, in preference of an
efficiency calculation like C.O.P (clearly defined) or Effective work performed
(EFP) or something that makes some sense.

The very term Overunity distracts people in my opinion. It's not even a real
word I don't think.

Just take the example of Neon Sign Transformers they consistantly claim
output power greater than input power, almost without fail, I regularly see
manufacturer claims of up to 4 times the input power.

Now if the manufacturer of NST's can say they get 4 times the output as
compared to input and it's not considered OU then what chance to we have
to prove anything with a few milliwatts or even a few watts.

As I've said before if we can unravel the mystery of why an NST with 4 times
the input as compared to output is not OU then we will have made some big
progress.

And by the way I don't hear of the MIB threatening the NST manufacturers.
Which says a lot.

If nobody here can test an NST for OU and say either way then what can we
really do. Isn't the objective to all this just to prove OU. Or to force the
recognition of the possibility of more power out than in ?

Cheers

[ewizard]

Farmhand, I'm not sure but you may have misunderstood what I was saying. That is to say if I had bought Bedini's motor kit only to find out that it could not do what Mark's appeared to do I would be upset not Bedini. I was only implying that before someone says they have a device that can do miraculous things they should know that some people might jump at the opportunity to buy the device or materials only to be very upset or disappointed to find out it was all a fake or a bad joke. So I'm asking people to be responsible with what they claim. I remember as a very young kid just getting started in radio and electronics an electronic magazine had an article on a device that claimed to be in ideal antenna which would work perfectly for all transmitters and would be static free. I ran out and bought the parts only to realize later it was nothing but a 'dummy load' and the whole thing was a joke. I didn't have enough knowledge at that time to see it and wasted what few dollars I had on something that was useless for me at that time. For any well seasoned radio person it would have been obvious but I was way too new to everything at that time to know better.

BTW that thing with NST transformers has been explained a number of times. They are not claiming overunity at all or free energy or whatever you might want to call it. My quote form a thread you started on this - maybe you missed it: "This comes up every so often. They are not OU though. It has to do with how the rate them. From Armagdn03 (on OU): "The neon sign business is concerned with break down voltage of the gas in question, which relates to PEAK VOLTAGE not RMS VOLTAGE. This means that input is measured in RMS mains voltage and amperage which can be used for power calculations, while the output is only concerned with PEAK voltage, which CANNOT be used to make power calculations. This is most peoples misinterpretation of the neon sign business.""