Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect

[qvision]

I think it was nanocrystalline cores but i can't find the post

Magnetec GmbH,cool blue cores, nanoperm


QV.

[Shadesz]

I have a question.
where was it posted about the core materials that increased inductance by 3 times? there was a post about Amorphous Metal. metglass.

good work.

Magnet Inductance Boost with Finemet nanocrystaline core

[toranarod]

Magnet Inductance Boost with Finemet nanocrystaline core

Thanks Guys
for me it's all about the generator coil design. ever success device claiming OU,
seem to be about generation design, unless you are working in HT voltage as Ed grey. or something.

[toranarod]

[Overunityguide]

In This Town We Obey the Laws of Thermodynamics | Ottawa Ske

@Farmhand,

Didn't you read:

Translated from engineerese, it says: "We think there's something interesting going on in the magnetics of this thing, but running the motor in this odd way makes it too hard to study properly and get good results."

From the above article?

And further this was a long time ago (04 May 2008), today there is more information about this effect available.

Not the least of which in my opinion is the way he is using the motor at well below it optimum RPM and voltage, the usefull load is neglegable

I am using a Frequency Drive Converter, So for each RPM setting, I will get the optimal motor settings from it: Please Review Video:
Thane C Heins Replication, Confirming the Negative Lenz Effect - YouTube

Also the effect looks to be caused by the load or short being too low a resistance for the generator to sustain. No reasonable load actually producing an output. A short is not an output. No energy is removed from the system by a short circuit except for losses, unless the rotor is somehow loaded to use the energy the generator coil is producing and using as a motor coil, if it even is. A short would simply circulate current in the coil.
A load is just a partial short really.

I am loading my Generator Coil while it accelerates. So (again) I would Advise you to See video:
Thane C Heins Replication, Confirming the Negative Lenz Effect - YouTube

I'm calling bunk until at least I see some usefull load being run. OR some input - output figures that are better than 70 watts in 2 watts out.

It seems like I have to say it again, my Replication is only showing proof of principle...

And further I have one question left where is your replication to disprove this effect?

[Farmhand]

Hi Guy's, First of all, I want to say it's not my intention to be dismissive of any of the research and experiments done by anyone. I honestly have seen a lot of good idea's put forward by lots of people.

I can't believe I am saying this but I think any small amount of provable Overunity or Extra energy produced than is used will be good enough to convince most people. But it must be explained where the energy came from and how it came to be utilised.

I think nearly everyone on the planet that works for a living will at this point accept any free energy they can get. I'm not so sure it is such a good idea to try to convince the scientists and stuff though like Thane seems to be doing without full figure's. And solid proof.

Beside's I don't think it is necessary to "break any laws" to get Overunity "performance". Even if a device did break a law, in my humble opinion it probably wouldn't be a good idea to proclaim that, at first.

I would say something like I had a way to "get around" Lens Law. Then let others decide what they want.

If Thane claims OU then where does he say the extra energy come's from and how does he bring it in ?

I can't remember seeing any explanation of the "extra" and how it comes in.
I would be happy to try to understand if I had something to try to understand. Maybe I missed it. As I often do I admit. But it must be missable amonsgt all this stuff if I did. I want some free stuff too

Hey Rod, at which point of the wave did you switch ? Is it better to take part of the wave like a short or take the top off it ? Do you think.

I think I would use attraction, and generate to the top of the wave then short. I bet it's already been done though. Surely

Cheers

[Farmhand]

Overunityguide, I'm sorry but in this post i wasn't refering to you i was refering to Thanes video's and related things. After all, this effort is to prove the effect.

http://www.energeticforum.com/156453-post103.html

The speed up effect is Obvious. It is proved, I have already admitted that a couple of times at least, anybody who cannot see the effect is blind. The thing is there is the hinting that this must be somehow OU or lead to OU or something.

I don't think seeing a rotor speed up under a small load is proof of delaying Lens, but thats just my opinion, disregard it. I won't argue that point any more.

Moving past that. How will this become usefull ? That is the big question.

Because the bottom line is, the load can be powered much cheaper by the same setup at lower speed. You proved it you're self. Probably even more load cheaper.

You proved several things in those video's from what I can tell.

I'm not going to replicate anything just to see a rotor speed up or use a bit less energy. I want to power loads. I can already reduce input with loads. And I don't need a rotor. I couldn't afford the neo magnets now anyway most likely.

I'll refrain from further interuptions. I misspoke when I said I lost interest, I'm still interested, but you're right I can't disprove anything.

Cheers

[Guest]

Pulsing one electromagnet at another with a quick enough
frequency will allow current to be drawn from the secondary
with a resultant increase in efficiency from the system due to
the delayed lenz effect?

[Allen Burgess]

Lenz delay.

@qvision,

I have two suggestions: One, try a larger Magnet, 20 mm is merely 3/4 inch. I got very good results with a 2 inch diameter tube on tiny internal ceramic bearings.

Two, wind a hi voltage coil with very thin 32 gauge magnet wire.

[qvision]

@ Allen,

Thanks for the advice. I can't find a diametric cylinder magnet larger than 20mm here in the UK, i may get one from kjmagnetics.

As for the high voltage coil i have tried a few different coils now, the smallest wire i used was 0.23mm which is about 32 AWG i think.

Marius is getting the effect with 600 turns of 0.6 mm !

I spent most of last year experimenting with this same 20mm magnet and high voltage coils, at one point i had 2 pounds of copper on the coil-former and was getting 600 VDC from a 9 volt input but my amperage was so low it hardly registered, but it is amazing what you can get RPM-wise out of these magnets.

Here's a pic of that big coil and the magnet on carbon rod with tiny bearings.

http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff437/deepcut71/DSC01062.jpg

QV.

[Allen Burgess]

Coil spinner.

@qvision,

Looks like you were spinning the magnet inside the output coil! I performed a series of similar experiments. I designed a spiral coil to power the magnet sphere based on Rodin's design. The output coil is a thick multi layered 32 guage primary for Hi inductace Lenz Propulsion, covered by a single wrap of 18 guage for high amperage output! The two different gauge wires are visable on the output coil wall. One can gauge the thickness of the hidden hi-voltage 32 gauge primary from the distance between the 18 gauge wire exit hole and the core side. You can spot the gold color of the 32 guage magnet wire peeking out at the base of the coil in the right hand photo. This is the highest state of the art Thane Heins style Lenz Propulsion motor alternator that I have seen so far. The no bearing sphere levitates and is completely frictionless when the spiral coil charges.

The 32 gauge primary runs shorted, while the 18 gauge secondary generates power to a super capacitor in series with a fast switching Shottky diode. I looped the output back to source and charged the 12 volt run battery. The spiral power coil runs off a power miser Jonnydavro style Bedini circuit with an induction solenoid coil and variable resistor off the battery power lead. This is an overunity self running battery charger, that can power light bulbs. One can evacuate the coil core for additional advantage. The sphere would then have to be started with a magnet swipe. This is the finished product. I can't think of any way to improve on it. The nested and frictionless rotor is far superior to Thane's linear bearing axial flux models. Quantum leap warp factor Te He He Lol!

Originally posted by Synchro:

"Then the coil makes its field, and gives the rotor a little boost". Twinbeard. Then to paraphrase him: When current runs through the coil, the coil makes the field, then magnetic poles appear at opposite ends of the output coil. The rotor beats it half way further around, then the poles shift again, but they're laging. This motor alternator at least begins to partialy power itself when current is drawn from the output coils.

Spiral Knot Trials - YouTube

The complete abscence of noise "The Sound of Silence", is the effect of complete sphere rotor levitation in this video. Nothing saying something!

[qvision]

Lovely setup The coil geometry is a similar concept to the Gabriel device.

I'm really jealous of that coil ;+}

Have you measured watts in vs watts out ?


QV.

[Allen Burgess]

Coil efficency.

@qvision,

I tried to self run off a large capacitor I paid over $100 dollars for on Twinbeard's advice. The huge bass amp capacitor did not have the storage capacity to run the sphere speed up over the Lenz Propusion threshold. I tried to wire a smaller one in series to help, and at that point was traumatized by a huge explosion, nearly deafened me, and I put the unit on the shelf. I plan to return to the shop soon, and will try and re-test it, and upload a video. It starts to charge the run battery at an alarming rate! The multi meter figures tick up in a blur. The charge back to source is awesome. Many times the milli amperage input, but by exactly how much I can't say right now with any degree of certainty. The power from this unit is potentially lethal. This is more then just a toy! I'm ready to run more tests on it. I paid to have it wound professionally, and it really packs a wallop. That's a 1 1/2" magnet sphere. It starts to really take off and generate power at levitation boost RPM. Run away grows into an issue. I need to figure out how to shut it off! My earlier models looked nearly identical to yours. I'll try and get back with more solid test data soon.

[citfta]

Voltage regulator

Hi Allen,

That is an amazing coil you have! I am interested in more info on how you have it all connected. I haven't really been following the thread closely so I will go back through it and look for more info. If you haven't posted the schematic would you please do that?

If you are going to feed some of the output back to the input you must use some kind of voltage regulator. In the remerouk thread there is an nice voltage regulator you can find cheaply on Ebay that lets you set the output voltage to a wide range of voltages. This will prevent the runaway condition you are having.

Were you able to get the same effect on a smaller scale? I don't have any spherical neos as large as yours but I do have some 1 inch ones. I would like to try to duplicate what you have done if you think it will work with a smaller neo.


Carroll

[Allen Burgess]

Spinergy.

@citfa,

Thanks for the information about the voltage regulator. It will work fine with a 1" sphere. The spiral coil is powered by a simple Bedini SSG circuit. It includes a potentiomer that regulates current and spinner RPM. The Daftman has a print out of the layout that I used. You can add a 12 volt solenoid coil to help cut your input, but that's optional.

The spiral coil is wraped from bifilar radio shack speaker wire. You can spot that on the shelf very easily. Just determine how large you want the core diameter to be. It needs to be large enough to house a spinner cup for the 1" magnet. Select the cup befor you start to wrap the spiral power coil, and don't forget to leave extra room when you guage your start up loop diameter for the wraps to fill in.

The trick is to wind the wire on a stick, to pass through the core as the factory spool's too large to fit through the hole. That's half the job. Then you make two or three loops larger then the core diameter because as you spiral the wire around the loops, it fills into the inside. dont' leave any spaces, but maxamize the travel! This coil's power comes from the tautness of the wire, so keep pressure on it as you wrap. You can tape it in place to rest if you grow fatigued, and go back to it after you're rested. Same goes for the other windings. Try and find a shop to handle those wraps. Then your unit will really perform well.

The 32 gauge multi layer primary just shorts out, so no schematic required there. Anything will work. The thick wire secondary only needs to be one layer, but it's important that it goes CCW to the CC primary, or visa versa, and starts on one end and ends on the other. Reversing the wrap directions is necessary because the induced pole from the primary creates an opposite charge in the secondary, so the the poles match at the ends when counter wraped. The secondary output is generated by inductance from the primary, not the rotor magnet flux. The thin primay needs to start on one end and end on the other. This is really a very simple project. Any combination of wire lengths will work as long as all the coils start at the beginning and end at the end, which is the same place for the spiral power coil. Select your output core so the spiral coil fits neatly inside.

The large wire seconday output is A.C. I simply wired a super capacitor in series with a fast switching Shottky diode between the output leads, and drew power off the capacitor to substitute for a rectifer and regulator.