* SPECIAL EVENT * August 4, 2011, 7pm Pacific Time Zone

[BrentA929]

ORP Meter

Aaron,

Have been on the product for about a week and a half now...

Since, I don't have any real symptoms, I have been trying to gauge my chemistry by taking my pH levels every morning before I eat or drink anything while being on the redox signaling molecules. Just using pH paper and testing my urine, I have seen my levels fluctuate between 6.6 and 7.2. Not bad (a little acidic) if I understand correctly that 7.2 is neutral. I would expect that to probably rise the longer I take ASEA.

I have also recently tested the product with an ORP (Oxidation/Reduction Potential) meter. The readings show +738 on the ORP meter and a pH level of 5.5, both of which are the exact opposite of what I was expecting. Can you elaborate on what I have found?

Found some good charts...






***FYI...not an advocate of Kangen water. Just like their charts***

Many thanks, Brent

[Aaron]

orp meter

Hi Brent,

The ORP does not account for the antioxidants that are part of the equation
that get activated when the product is ingested. Those antioxidants are
produced in your own body and do not come from the product itself but are
stimulated from the product.

[citfta]

Is your new game changing announcement on Sept 29th the same as your game changing announcement of Aug 4th? Is the new book the same as the one we got for listening to the Aug 4th announcement?

Thanks, Carroll

[BrentA929]

ORP Meter

Aaron,

I don't get it...

I'm really trying to wrap my head around this. Can you give any more explanation? Because as it appears right now...it measures worse than a soda and is high on the oxidation scale!


Please help, Brent

Hi Brent,

The ORP does not account for the antioxidants that are part of the equation
that get activated when the product is ingested. Those antioxidants are
produced in your own body and do not come from the product itself but are
stimulated from the product.

[Aaron]

book update

Is your new game changing announcement on Sept 29th the same as your game changing announcement of Aug 4th? Is the new book the same as the one we got for listening to the Aug 4th announcement?

Thanks, Carroll

There is an extra chapter and quite a bit has been rewritten.

[Aaron]

orp readings don't apply

Aaron,

I don't get it...

I'm really trying to wrap my head around this. Can you give any more explanation? Because as it appears right now...it measures worse than a soda and is high on the oxidation scale!


Please help, Brent

You're assuming that everything that is needed and can be measured would be available in the solution you are measuring.

If you have an antioxidant solution and measure negative, that appears to be the only story but it isn't. That means that solution is negatively charged but that is out of context of what happens when it is in the body.

Those antioxidants go into the body and with such a high surplus of them if you have a high ORAC antioxidant for example, those will use up the RS molecules produced by the mitochondria - then there is a short supply of RS molecules left to activate the naturally produced antioxidants in the body like glutathione and SOD.

Each of those exogenous antioxidants neutralize ONE free radical then turn into a free radical itself so the net neutralization is looking bleak. That high negatively charged solution just appeared to prevent the natural antioxidants from being able to be activated, which if they were activated if the RS supply wasn't interfered with (with an inferior antioxidant), together with catalase, the natural ones can neutralize MANY antioxidants without turning into a free radical themselves (which is what all exogenous antioxidants do - with the exception of one).

So you start with a high negative ORP reading and the net effect is very minor - there is some benefit but a drop in the ocean compared to the body simply using what it makes on its own.

With the redox signaling molecules, it can show a positive as you say - HOWEVER, this molecular combination causes the body's glutathione, sod and catalase to get seriously boosted and with all the RS molecules supplied by the drink, each antioxidant is not only boosted but made over 500% more effective (because of the high RS supply). Therefore, you just started with a solution that has a positive reading and wound up with more (WAY WAY MORE) net benefit in the body than a liquid that initially showed a negative reading.

ORP readings are not where it is at. Baking soda water can be good for us. Measure that on an ORP meter - very negatively charged. If it was all about a negative ORP, we could all drink baking soda water and forget about the rest but we know that won't work. Good stuff, but has certain limited applications.

Basically, this turns the entire ORP concept on its ear because it DOES NOT APPLY to the redox signaling molecules solution.

It is a waste of time to take exogenous supplements that are antioxidants for the sake of having antioxidants when you have redox signaling molecules. Neutralizing ONE free radical compared to the naturally produced ones with a high RS supply from the drink can neutralize 70,000 per second.

1 vs. 70,000 - there is no comparison.

So just to clarify, the ORP reading in and of itself is completely useless. It has to take into consideration what the reaction is in the body once the substance is ingested. Does it or does it not greatly stimulate the body's own antioxidants that can then be activated by the very drink that may show a positive reading?

Redox SIGNALING molecules - this is the body's cellular communicators at the cellular level - these are the very molecules the cells need to communicate repair or replace, activate antioxidants, trigger the gene to produce glutathione, signaling the immune system, etc...

To analyze this molecular solution by taking into account whether or not it is an antioxidant or not is not just looking at one side of the story, it isn't looking at the right story because these molecules are NOT antioxidants themselves and are not intended to be.

That is why these go light years beyond Kangen water or any kind of antioxidant product on the market.

There are about 300 published studies on redox signaling per month coming out in the journals. Each study is an average of 8 months work. Calculate that to see the significance of what medical science is focusing on and the significance the scientific world sees in redox signaling.

This is light years beyond antioxidants or ORP readings.

[Aaron]

redox signaling molecules

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[Aaron]

redox signaling molecules

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[minoly]

update:
as of last week, I increased my dosage from 2oz twice a day to 3 oz 3 times a day. I feel like I am able to eat things that would set off my stones in the past, however, I have not pushed it by eating bacon, ribs, hamburgers, or chicken wings. I don't think I will ever take these back up even if I do resolve the stones.

I still have my hopes up... my appt with surgeon for gallstones is 2 weeks from now when they will do another ultrasound. the proof, as always, will be in the pudding

I will post more pictures as there are changes/improvements to post.
still no black roots...

Patrick

[Mark]

Good luck Patrick, I hope everything works out for you.

I'm taking 4oz twice a day now and have been for about 2 weeks. No noticeable improvement, I've actually may have regressed some. My feet are bothering me again, the palms of my hands have a rash now, back is hurting and my blood pressure has gone up. I may have contacted some kind of a virus that may be causing the additional symptoms, I have an appointment with my doctor on Monday.

[minoly]

Thanks Mark,
sorry to hear about the regression,
I hope it is only a minor setback. I also hope you are taking something for the high blood pressure - I'm on Lisinopril 5MG/day

these gallstones are the best thing that happened for my health - natures way of making me stay away from fat and heavy meals... I did not have the willpower to do it without the threat of serious pain. I do now though.

[Aaron]

@Mark

Good luck Patrick, I hope everything works out for you.

I'm taking 4oz twice a day now and have been for about 2 weeks. No noticeable improvement, I've actually may have regressed some. My feet are bothering me again, the palms of my hands have a rash now, back is hurting and my blood pressure has gone up. I may have contacted some kind of a virus that may be causing the additional symptoms, I have an appointment with my doctor on Monday.

Please keep us posted Mark. 90 days is my preferred timeframe for a test of any product - although 50% of the people that use this have results in 14 days. Others take longer.

[Aaron]

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[Mark]

Thanks Mark,
sorry to hear about the regression,
I hope it is only a minor setback. I also hope you are taking something for the high blood pressure - I'm on Lisinopril 5MG/day

these gallstones are the best thing that happened for my health - natures way of making me stay away from fat and heavy meals... I did not have the willpower to do it without the threat of serious pain. I do now though.

I was on 10mg of Lisinopril and last week they bumped it to 20mg because I told them I didn't think it was doing anything for me. I think it actually made my blood pressure go up. I also just switched to decaf coffee and have been a vegitarian now since December. Not sure whats going on. My blood pressure is not real high usually around 140/90, but still higher than it should be. Thats why I think I might have a bug or something. There have been a lot of people sick around my area lately so thats probably the problem or maybe my body just doesn't like the drug.

[Mark]

Aaron

I still have about 2.5 cases left so I have enough to continue the product to give it a full 90 days, I'll report in before I run out.