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  • Dave45
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    The article you posted about the magnetic field vibrating the water molecule to keep it from freezing has me thinking, if the mag field can vibrate the water then surely it can vibrate the ice, maybe it is a piezoelectric effect.

    Maybe the frequency of the earth's mag field is in resonance with the water-ice molecule.

    Suppose a thunderstorm is a big resonant capacitor, the mag field and altitude cool the water to ice crystals that resonate with the field, they resonate and produce energy that is absorbed by the water within the cloud until the charge builds to high then you get a release in the form of lightning.

    Im stating nothing as fact, just thinking out loud.
    Dave

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  • Dave45
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    Originally posted by MonsieurM View Post
    that is quite true, I never thought of a Smith coil could be made like this....

    Have you seen the coils in this posts, i think i might try freezing water with them



    Sounds like a good experiment

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  • MonsieurM
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    Originally posted by Dave45 View Post
    Thought some may be interested in the left and right hand fields, here's a couple of pics.
    As you can see in the second pic when combined they form the Smith coil.

    that is quite true, I never thought of a Smith coil could be made like this....

    Have you seen the coils in this posts, i think i might try freezing water with them



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  • MonsieurM
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    this was nagging at me for a while:

    remember the Koch experiment/Rodin Table http://www.energeticforum.com/149183-post147.html

    well, BogusLaw in one of his post pointed out to me an information that i find quite interesting:

    If you only knew the magnificence of the 3, 6 and 9, then you would have the key to the universe." Nicola Tesla
    is this the key tesla was referring to?

    fibonacci sequence starting with (3,6,9,15,24,39,63,102)(165,267,432,699,1131,1830, 2961,4791)(7752...

    indig values = (3,6,9,6,6,3,9,3)(3,6,9,6,6,3,9,3) Rodin Math


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  • MonsieurM
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    Access : Solid-state physics: Golden ratio seen in a magnet : Nature


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    Investigation of changes in properties of water under the action of a magnetic field

    Investigation of changes in properties of water under the action of a magnetic field

    Professor Pang Xiao-Feng and Deng Bo studied the properties of water, and their changes under the action of a magnetic field were gathered by the spectrum techniques of infrared, Raman, visible, ultraviolet and X-ray lights, which may give an insight into molecular and atomic structures of water. It was found that some properties of water were changed, and a lot of new and strange phenomena were discovered after magnetization. Magnetized water really has magnetism, which has been verified by a peak shift of X-ray diffraction of magnetized water +Fe3O4 hybrid relative to that of pure water + Fe3O4 hybrid, that is, a saturation and memory effect. The study is being reported in the November 2008 issue of Science in China Series G- Physics, Mechanics & Astronomy because of its significant values in science and extensive applications in industry, agriculture and medicine.
    Mstate Water



    ps: about 3D electromagnetic, read this post on:

    Our Conscious Mind Could Be An Electromagnetic Field




    find out more news on magnetism here:

    NASA's Cosmicopia -- Basics -- Magnetic Fields
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  • MonsieurM
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    Magnetic fields vibrates water to prevent damage of organs during freezing

    What do you do to prevent ice crystals during slow freezing?vibrates water with magnetic fields, preventing freezing, even at supercool temperatures of -10 degrees Celsius (According to the Patent.) When the field is turned off, the water in the food instantly freezes (this part may allow you to align the crystals) . No time for ice growth means no damage to frozen organs.
    Cell alive system - YouTube

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    Abstract

    Application of an electric or magnetic field can significantly affect the freezing characteristics of water. A DC electric field will tend to induce ice nucleation at a lower degree of supercooling, and there is evidence to show that an AC electric field delays the onset of ice nucleation. Industrial research has shown that a magnetic field can be used to delay nucleation and to induce small, unclustered ice. Smaller ice crystals are essential in the preservation of the structure or bioavailability of frozen materials, particularly biological or food products. On the other hand, larger ice crystals facilitate faster freeze drying because it results in less vapor mass transfer resistance. The end part of this review introduces another application of magnetic field in the form of magnetocaloric freezers. This technology is a potential alternative to heat pump drying for commercial freezing and refrigeration.
    Taylor & Francis Online :: Effects of Electric and Magnetic Field on Freezing and Possible Relevance in Freeze Drying - Drying Technology - Volume 28, Issue 4

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  • Dave45
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    Here's a Smith coil I made sometime back, I havent put this one in ice yet but I will soon and will post pics.
    This coil is in series in other words there are three complete left hand winds that are connected in series and three right hand winds, the winds are alternated.
    I will also connect the winds in parallel and freeze just to see if there is a difference.

    Seems Iv ran out of storage space, will have to find another way.

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  • Dave45
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    Thought some may be interested in the left and right hand fields, here's a couple of pics.
    As you can see in the second pic when combined they form the Smith coil.
    Last edited by Dave45; 07-19-2016, 01:56 AM.

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  • MonsieurM
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    Originally posted by Dave45 View Post
    Very interesting articles the one on superconductors and the alinement of the oxygen atom really caught my eye. H2O with a little more O formed in an electric and a magnetic field.
    I'll rebuild my cell soon, my cryogenic lab is my wife's freezer , she and I had a talk I think I have her talked into letting me move the freezer to my shop after school starts, we'll see

    I want to run high voltage through my cell as the ice is forming but I cant do that where the freezer is now, safety first.

    I have and old car that Im going to pull the distributor from and build a high voltage rotary spark gap.

    So much to do and so little time
    Dave
    Same here, and looking forward to hearing from your experiments

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  • Dave45
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    Originally posted by MonsieurM View Post
    this imbalance may be due to :
    Very interesting articles the one on superconductors and the alinement of the oxygen atom really caught my eye. H2O with a little more O formed in an electric and a magnetic field.
    I'll rebuild my cell soon, my cryogenic lab is my wife's freezer , she and I had a talk I think I have her talked into letting me move the freezer to my shop after school starts, we'll see

    I want to run high voltage through my cell as the ice is forming but I cant do that where the freezer is now, safety first.

    I have and old car that Im going to pull the distributor from and build a high voltage rotary spark gap.

    So much to do and so little time
    Dave

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  • MonsieurM
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    one more thing i wanted to add :

    An electrostatic spatial resonance model for coaxial helical structures with applications to the filamentous bacteriophages.

    It is found that coaxial helices with optimally mated symmetries can lock into spatial resonance configurations that maximize their interaction. The resonances are represented as vectors in a discrete three-dimensional space[
    however this applies to all optimally mated symmetries fractal shapes, and occurs as well with ice crystals/quartz crystals (see post http://www.energeticforum.com/150029-post164.html to my last post in that thread #168 ), they can lock into spatial resonance configurations that maximize their interaction

    Last edited by MonsieurM; 08-10-2011, 01:42 PM.

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  • MonsieurM
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    Originally posted by MonsieurM View Post
    based on what you said and according to this



    I think that inside a cloud when it reaches a certain concentration of ice crystals (under the influence of earth magnetic field of course )there is a tiny imbalance that occurs which start small then accelerates reshaping the neighboring crystals until it reaches critical mass, as an illustration see post http://www.energeticforum.com/148369-post85.html



    this imbalance may be due to :

    if you think about whats happening with the ice its spinning and bobbing (Static Charge, water can act as a capacitor ), so the field is being pulsed, well not the field but the ice, I would think it wouldn't matter.

    there may be a slight vacuum due the higher altitude

    there may be an interaction with the ozone layer- needs more reasearch (see link provided by petar113507 : Superconductors Go Fractal - Science News )

    there may be an interaction with the inner van allen belts (see Process for Altering the Energy Content of Dipolar Substances http://www.energeticforum.com/145953-post70.html )
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  • MonsieurM
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    side note

    Originally posted by Dave45 View Post
    Here's the rig we used to pull our well.
    if you are interested in water pumps , you should check out these two videos

    ‪Veljko Milkovic - Hand water pump with a pendulum‬‏ - YouTube

    ‪Africa water pumping swing.wmv‬‏ - YouTube

    Thanks and keep up the good fight.
    Dave
    I'm only doing my part, and duty as a human being...kind of tired of all the egocentric bull we live in today...
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  • MonsieurM
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    Dave, check this post out http://www.energeticforum.com/150616-post14.html (forget about taking water to piece part )
    focus on Felix Ehrenhaft' set up, you'll see some similarities to your cell, and maybe the 3d Field lines up the structure of ice....

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  • MonsieurM
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    Originally posted by Dave45 View Post
    A couple of pics of the ruined cell
    Looking at your cell, my first thought goes to

    EH Antenna set up, looks like your using 3d electromagnetic (just turn image 90 degrees to see ur set up )




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