Harvesting Energy From the Sun Using Crystals

[Dave45]

Im going to put a copper screen around the coil to see if there is a positive current flowing in the bands that surround the coil



notice the bands that surround the coil

[petar113507]

I have been looking where to fit this information into some of these connective, integrative topics.

Dave, thank you for giving me the oppourtunity to do so.

I have recently scanned a book called "Dielectric breakdown in solids". I hope some of this will be useful for your experiments.

Title page:



As you can see in the table of contents -- I have highlighted some of the topics which simply snagged my attention.

Earlier in the day I was musing over several high voltage phenomena -- and stumbled upon this book by "chance". (I was on autopilot, my focus remaining on the high voltage phenomena -- and I found my feet leading me to the shelf, where the books gold lettering caught my attention)

I would not consider this chance -- that I have found some suggestions and answers to the exact questions which I have desired to understand. Perhaps we can also discuss (elsewhere?) the mental state that al humans can remain in, to "attract" the answers that they seek.

Table of contents:


Thermal Breakdown:



Few things struck me here -- Even higher oscilations than our current electromagnetic spectrum "dampen". Heat is just a wave in the EM spectrum. Higher frequnencies than we can measure can be "recieved" to create EM oscilations. This sounds a lot like tapping into cosmic (read: higher) frequencies with superconductors.

Note: Too quick of alternating currents don't let the dielectric "relax" -- and dissapate heat as waste. Pulse DC too quickly, and it behaves the same as AC. More hints in the book are on this later -- effectively telling me why I need a sharp rise/fall, rapid (microsecond) DC pulse.





When dielectric breakdown ocurrs the "random" breakdown paths, mean that we don't know how to predict where the breakdown goes. Interesting discharge paths in pictures on the left page.

"High frequency" means smaller waves. that tells me that when you have a sharp/fast enough impulse, temperature does not rise as much in the dielectric (wasted energy into heat).

In frohlich's theory...
When the electric voltage potential below the critical value, the "probabillity" of getting "fast electrons" (Electron avalanche = Energy gain). Seeing the energy gain only happens after a critical voltage level has been reached. (Critical voltage level = phase transition into plasma?)

"fast electrons" do not produce heat -- thermal ionization (heat) lags behind.

We should be able to keep the dielectric cold. Cold, means the dielectric is not damaged by thermal decay -- which means we should be able to strike it for repeated energy gains.




AC -- maximum stable temperature
DC -- "infinite" temperature -- as long as it is confined within a small enough space. The average temperature seems normal.





Dielectric becomes a semi-conductor under AC -- Same conditions as DC
The hottest part of the temperature gradient must change more sharply

This tells me what is happening during that unidirectional DC pulse at the apex of the sharp wave gradient.



This confirms (one of many confirmations) what bearden/bedini have been saying about "the spike". When we average values over time -- it seems "normal/linear" -- but during short impulses, we have non-linear situations happening on a small scale.

Theoretically infinite = non linear



Thermal breakdown happens in AC at a "lower value" because the difference between the voltage fluxuations still reach the "critical value" for breakdown to happen.

======================
I see that under conditions of dielectric breakdown -- in discreet unidirectional DC pulses, you create for a fraction of a second -- a plasma, or "superconductor" which receives frequencies at the highest (or above) our current EM spectrum -- Producing a large pulse of energy, and the dampening oscilations ocurring thereafter can produce use-able OU energy.

Dave45, I can find the exact post tomorrow, but 'powerme' suggested a very similar setup to produce dielectric breakdown in a silicon/metglass torrid.

Dielectric breakdown can be induced by only voltage potential -- making that caduceus/pancake coil seem like a good lead.
========================
Will finish posting parts of this book tomorrow.



Glad to be enlightened by other sincere perspectives,
==Romo
========================

[MonsieurM]

petar113507, thank you very much for the info you posted , this is what i call Dialogue...

some good info (see page 105 on quartz )

[MonsieurM]

Im going to put a copper screen around the coil to see if there is a positive current flowing in the bands that surround the coil



notice the bands that surround the coil

I see them...looking forward to read your results

[Dave45]

I put a copper screen around the coil not close at the edge of the container
guy's you need to do this

Job 38:22

King James Version (KJV)

22Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,

[MonsieurM]

What is the recipe from A to Z for those that are just catching up

(not referring to myself )

I try to always keep in mind new comers

I was one too , and still am

[petar113507]

Here is the link I mentioned:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/7455-plasma-effect-cosmic-ray-amplification.html#post131274

As far as I can tell, we are essentially doing the same thing with water -- Dielectric breakdown with rapidly pulsed DC waves.

Dave, as far as I can understand that you used a coil to freeze the ice with AC current -- polarizing the ice's crystallization with low voltage, then using that polarized path as your conductor, which you are seeking to briefly produce dielectric breakdown in?

Did you use two coils (one to induce dielectric breakdown along the brief "conductor", one to collect the larger impulse), similar to how powerme said to use the torid as a "step down" transformer? The structured ice, being the conductor of the transformer?

I can only so far see one coil in your pictures, and would like to clairify.

For Imhotep, 12v battery> toroid JT like >rectify>capatitor>ignition coil>diode chain or scr>step down transformer/ JT toroid>load.=OU effect.

It strikes me you skipped making the circuit for it, and are basically manually creating pulses through the torrid for the DC impulse wave.

If you can more clearly outline what you did with the ice, I will follow up right behind you.

==Romo

[MonsieurM]

Principle of Correspondence: http://www.energeticforum.com/155402-post527.html

In frohlich's theory...
When the electric voltage potential below the critical value, the "probabillity" of getting "fast electrons" (Electron avalanche = Energy gain). Seeing the energy gain only happens after a critical voltage level has been reached. (Critical voltage level = phase transition into plasma?)

"fast electrons" do not produce heat -- thermal ionization (heat) lags behind.

It is the same for the Delayed Lenz Effect ....different perspective..

hint: you got high frequency

petar113507 this info you posted complements well with http://www.energeticforum.com/153228-post166.html

James Y Johnson -- Dipolar resonance -- Anomalous dispersion bands

Accordingly the resonance positions of electron polarization lie in the region of the Roentgen, ultraviolet and light rays, the resonance positions of atomic polarization lie in the region of the infrared spectrum and the resonance positions of orientation polarization lie still further beyond in the region of the radio short and ultra-short waves.

[MonsieurM]

This confirms (one of many confirmations) what bearden/bedini have been saying about "the spike". When we average values over time -- it seems "normal/linear" -- but during short impulses, we have non-linear situations happening on a small scale.

Theoretically infinite = non linear

Non Linear is also more commonly known as Fractal (principle of Mentalism )

Golden Mean

[MonsieurM]

I see that under conditions of dielectric breakdown -- in discreet unidirectional DC pulses, you create for a fraction of a second -- a plasma, or "superconductor" which receives frequencies at the highest (or above) our current EM spectrum -- Producing a large pulse of energy, and the dampening oscilations ocurring thereafter can produce use-able OU energy.

Dave45, I can find the exact post tomorrow, but 'powerme' suggested a very similar setup to produce dielectric breakdown in a silicon/metglass torrid.

Dielectric breakdown can be induced by only voltage potential -- making that caduceus/pancake coil seem like a good lead

your post: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post149932

petar113507 has provided us with some good insight in his post:

http://www.energeticforum.com/149708-post95.html

, and as recommend by him, i looked for posts made by Powerme, seeing that it was going to be a tedious work, i actually found a compilation of all his post: it's in pdf:

Power1.pdf - 429 Kb

Looks like we are pretty much on the same page

see also this post : http://www.energeticforum.com/149768-post210.html

dave, i understand

22Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,

[MonsieurM]

my turn

Access : Solid-state physics: Golden ratio seen in a magnet : Nature

The golden ratio spotted in a magnetic compound.

which has an impact on this

Scientists create one-dimensional ferroelectric ice

(PhysOrg.com) -- Everyone knows that when water freezes, it forms ice. But a lesser known fact is that there is not one, but many different kinds of ice, depending on the way the ice crystals are arranged. In a new study, a team of chemists has developed a new method for synthesizing a type of ferroelectric ice, which is crystallized so that all of its bonds line up in the same direction, producing a large electric field.

Every water molecule carries a tiny electric field. But because water molecules usually freeze in a somewhat random arrangement, with their bonds pointing in different directions, . In contrast, the bonds in ferroelectric ice all point in the same direction at low enough temperatures, so that it has a net polarization in one direction that produces an electric field....
...As a result, the polarity of the ferroelectric ice can be reversed by reversing the external electric field, a property not seen in everyday water and ice.

How to recreate this

Magnetic fields vibrates water to prevent damage of organs during freezing

What do you do to prevent ice crystals during slow freezing?vibrates water with magnetic fields, preventing freezing, even at supercool temperatures of -10 degrees Celsius (According to the Patent.) When the field is turned off, the water in the food instantly freezes . No time for ice growth means no damage to frozen organs.

the highlighted part may allow you to align the crystals using a specific partition of pulsed DC

can be greatly affected by the confinement and water/surface interaction,insights gained through research in this field will help scientists to control some properties of water through designing different confinements.

why confinement ?

DC -- "infinite" temperature -- as long as it is confined within a small enough space. The average temperature seems normal.

The velocity of fluid at any point in a vortex is equal to a physical constant divided by the radius from the suction center. That is to say that velocity increases as the radius gets smaller. In a perfect vortex, as the radius approaches zero its fluid velocity will approach infinity. As infinite velocity is impossible in the physical universe, something has to give. In the case of water the molecules begin to dissociate into a vapor. This dissociation is accompanied by the generation of high voltage electricity. We have measured charges as high as 12,000 volts in the exact center of a liquid vortex! The pressure in the center of a vortex is theoretically infinitely negative. In this condition, space would be turned inside out.

We find that the vortex has a rhythm of its own. It shrinks in diameter and increases in length at one moment, at the next it expands in diameter and shrinks in length. It continues this oscillation in a periodic manner just like a pendulum or the mainspring of a watch.

you formed a frozen vortex

[MonsieurM]

22Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,

Large hailstone with concentric ring



Snow Avalanche





the Ankh Set up if you prefer Tesla's Egg

found the picture here

Hail - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[MonsieurM]

for superconductivity (principle of mentalism) the golden mean has to be reflected at all levels of the material you are using:

It has to eat, breath and think Golden Mean and what better material than a frozen Vortex for the job

Golden Mean

[Dave45]

Here is the link I mentioned:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/7455-plasma-effect-cosmic-ray-amplification.html#post131274

As far as I can tell, we are essentially doing the same thing with water -- Dielectric breakdown with rapidly pulsed DC waves.

Dave, as far as I can understand that you used a coil to freeze the ice with AC current -- polarizing the ice's crystallization with low voltage, then using that polarized path as your conductor, which you are seeking to briefly produce dielectric breakdown in?

Did you use two coils (one to induce dielectric breakdown along the brief "conductor", one to collect the larger impulse), similar to how powerme said to use the torid as a "step down" transformer? The structured ice, being the conductor of the transformer?

I can only so far see one coil in your pictures, and would like to clairify.



It strikes me you skipped making the circuit for it, and are basically manually creating pulses through the torrid for the DC impulse wave.

If you can more clearly outline what you did with the ice, I will follow up right behind you.

==Romo

Hey Petar
Glad someone is taking interest Im using one coil low voltage ac , I uploaded a drawing.
I havent had a chance to play with the cell since I put the copper screen in all my battery's are dead, charging now.
Something Iv notice this thing seems to draw energy from whatever its connected to, might be good to try an antenna.

After the cell is froze I hooked it up to a high voltage setup I hurriedly made, pulsing into one side of the coil, I had a spark gap on both sides of the coil firing into one wire would fire from the other wire back to my positive lead, but something I noticed if I put a ground wire close to the wire coming from the aluminum plate it would jump from the plate to the ground wire before it would jump to the positive pole, like the easiest path was through the structured ice.

My electronic skills are nil at best, I hope someone with more knowledge would take an interest in this.

Iv often thought that the iron cores in a transformer were wasting energy, energy that could be focused and collected, this is going to be a wild ride that will ultimately lead to ou

Im currently using a Smith (caduceus) type coil, I would be interested to see if a normal coil would do the same.
The Smith coil I made isnt the normal coil you see in the illustrations.

Iv been playing with a toroid I made but havent had very good results yet, so I switched back to a solenoid type coil, its easier to see whats going on, ultimately a toroid will probably be the way to go, after we understand whats going on.

Now the setup that I had before didnt have the copper screen in, and the aluminum plate was grounded while the ice froze.
I pulsed the new cell with the screen in a couple of times before my battery went completely dead and was getting some interesting results will let you guys know.

Dave

[MonsieurM]

Ok guys I wound a coil I believe some will be interested in,
this is what I did
first wind right hand copper
second wind left hand iron
one layer of aluminum tape
one straight lenth of copper wire cleaned so as to make contact with the aluminum tape
third wind right hand copper
fourth wind left hand iron
another layer of aluminum tape

Im going to run winds in parallel with current running against each other negative through copper positive through iron

We'll see

is this the one you used