Harvesting Energy From the Sun Using Crystals

[Dave45]

It would seem that if you had a set vsw anything over that could be bled off if enough the system could be looped.
Lot of work todo.

[MonsieurM]

It would seem that if you had a set vsw anything over that could be bled off if enough the system could be looped.
Lot of work todo.

could you develop a little on this so i can visualize it, please

[Dave45]

could you develop a little on this so i can visualize it, please

It would seem if you had a voltage standing wave set up in a system and could increase that standing wave without adding more power from the primary that would be a form of gain, now if you can exceed input that's another story

Antenna's and the way they work is a very interesting subject but I dont think that's whats happening in a thunderstorm, the only way we'v ever made enough electricity is by tapping the magnetic field, now we use coils of wire on the external field, we need to trap the particles where they are confined and thats in the core.

When does a magnetic field quit being a magnetic field and start being an electric field?When its turned off-when its pulsed

I think one of the misconceptions in physics is that the electric field runs 90 degrees to the magnetic field.
If a particle is moving forward in space it moves in circular pattern like a spring what would happen if the field that was guiding the particle were shut off, it would leave the structured orbit at 90 degrees.
Take a ball connected to string spin the ball on the end of the string as you move forward, release the string, the ball leaves the forward direction at 90 degrees, and so does the particle.

Normal ice does not conduct electricity, if electricity is applied to ice it will move across the surface of the ice.
Iv notice that when freezing the ice with a magnetic field inside there appears to be small channels where the field lines are,
will these channels conduct electricity? If so then there's your superconductor

I better quit before I get even more confused

This is a very interesting read, puts me in mind of Leedskalnin's sun dial
EH Antenna Systems
Dave

[shawnnweed]

I really dont think it was heat I probably didnt pulse the coils but maybe five times not enough to heat the coil I think there was a buildup of charge and it had nowhere to go, normal ice acts like and insulator, if I could channel that kind of power then maybe

That's definitely probable. Another thought...often times resonate frequencies can cause vibrational or sonic disturbances which when built up could cause a breakdown in structural integrity...such as when a tuning fork is brought near crystal causing it to shatter. You did say that you pulsed it several times. Just a thought.

[MonsieurM]

Electricity collected from the air could become the newest alternative energy source

Imagine devices that capture electricity from the air ― much like solar cells capture sunlight ― and using them to light a house or recharge an electric car. Imagine using similar panels on the rooftops of buildings to prevent lightning before it forms. Strange as it may sound, scientists already are in the early stages of developing such devices, according to a report presented today at the 240th National Meeting of the American Chemical Society (ACS).

they have a 100 years delay

The notion of harnessing the power of electricity formed naturally has tantalized scientists for centuries. They noticed that sparks of static electricity formed as steam escaped from boilers. Workers who touched the steam even got painful electrical shocks. Famed inventor Nikola Tesla, for example, was among those who dreamed of capturing and using electricity from the air. It's the electricity formed, for instance, when water vapor collects on microscopic particles of dust and other material in the air. But until now, scientists lacked adequate knowledge about the processes involved in formation and release of electricity from water in the atmosphere, Galembeck said. He is with the University of Campinas in Campinas, SP, Brazil....
Scientists once believed that water droplets in the atmosphere were electrically neutral, and remained so even after coming into contact with the electrical charges on dust particles and droplets of other liquids. But new evidence suggested that water in the atmosphere really does pick up an electrical charge.

Galembeck and colleagues confirmed that idea, using laboratory experiments that simulated water's contact with dust particles in the air. They used tiny particles of silica and aluminum phosphate, both common airborne substances, showing that silica became more negatively charged in the presence of high humidity and aluminum phosphate became more positively charged.

"This was clear evidence that water in the atmosphere can accumulate electrical charges and transfer them to other materials it comes into contact with," Galembeck explained. "We are calling this 'hygroelectricity,' meaning 'humidity electricity'."

so we converge towards a hydro-magnetic dynamo

read page 5 of this thread starting from post 141 onward

http://www.energeticforum.com/148474-post141.html

a little comment i made on Tesla's set up:

http://www.energeticforum.com/147906-post128.html

note: temperature difference plays a role in the electric charging and transfer of potential (liquid to ice )

Explained: Thermoelectricity

An unexpected clue to thermopower efficiency (EH antenna )

[MonsieurM]

about the previous post, see also http://www.energeticforum.com/agricu...o-culture.html



it also takes me back to tree as radiant antenna :

Tree in fog, Central Otago - YouTube

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/8214-trees-radiant-energy-collector-10.html#post151639

[MonsieurM]

I would like you to read this article like an analogy to capture radiant energy (whatever you want to call it ), and i have been saying this for quite a while :



Here's looking at dew: spiders snare water from the air

In a paper published in the journal Nature on Wednesday, Chinese scientists report on why spider's silk is not only famous for strength but also terrific for collecting water from the air, sparing the creature a hunt for a drink.

The secret, revealed by scanning electron microscope, lies in the silk's tail-shaped protein fibres which change structure in response to water.

Once in contact with humidity, tiny sections of the thread scrunge up into knots, whose randomly arranged nano-fibres provide a roughly, knobbly texture.

In between these "spindle knots" are joints, which are smooth and slender, comprising neatly aligned fibres.

[MonsieurM]

right now, if you asked me what set up is the most likely to produce a quantifiable amount of energy, i would say :

the hydro magnetic generator, which i recommend you read the description to understand why I am proposing the following variant to a tesla coil:



the toroid would be replaced with a copy of the Hydro Magnetic generator but instead of using barrium as he did, you replace it with quartz coating (nanopool)...and the hydro part played by Mstate water enjoy

as the water moves in the coated toroid it erodes the quartz and carries with it nano particule of quartz which increases the potential

....however i would like to point out that as you will read the post on the hydro magnetic generator, examples abound in space, as such in space water goes through a rapid cycle of liquid to ice due to shock wave and electric discharge

[MonsieurM]

I would add the Electrostatic Cooling on the exterior part of the toroid to create a temperature difference between the exterior and internal part of the toroid:

Hey been out of town for awhile going back tomorrow, took awhile to catch up on all the post, great work.
What would you say is the most common crystal in the universe

Instead of finding the frequency of the crystal I think the crystal can be formed to the frequency you want, still experimenting when I have time, not much lately.
Dave

I envision a crystal power cell that will cool as the heat in the form of electricity is removed from the system, it should go into a superconductive state that will provide unlimited power.

I may know a way of doing that ; if applied to a high frequency crystal...read the link i think you will understand what i mean

Oscar C. BLOMGREN
Electrostatic Cooling

There are three conventional ways to transfer heat: Conduction, Convection, and Radiation. Now there is a fourth way, Electrostatic Cooling (ESC), that has been discovered and patented by Oscar C. Blomgren (Sr. & Jr.) and others. Negative ion probes are placed near a heated object, which is grounded. When high voltage is applied, there is a dramatic drop in temperature. This extremely simple system reduces or eliminates the need for other methods, and it uses very low power and is very efficient. It also facilitates heating when applied in reverse!

would this do the job Dave

http://www.energeticforum.com/149500-post176.html

[Dave45]

I wound a traditional Smith coil and put in the freezer today, this is my last 12volt power supply, need to hit the thrift stores I find all kinds of stuff to experiment with there and cheap, it dont hurt as bad when you ruin things

You can get high voltage power supplies out of air purifiers
Old tv's have tons of electronics as well as wire, monitors tons of junk
recycle
Watch them capacitors

[Dave45]

I would add the Electrostatic Cooling on the exterior part of the toroid to create a temperature difference between the exterior and internal part of the toroid:





http://www.energeticforum.com/149500-post176.html

Oscar C. Blomgren: Electrostatic Cooling ~ Collected patents & articles

His high voltage electric field draws negatively charged electrons to one electrode and positively charged particles to the other, breaking up the flame.

I'll bet it will pull heat from water too

[MonsieurM]

Oscar C. Blomgren: Electrostatic Cooling ~ Collected patents & articles

His high voltage electric field draws negatively charged electrons to one electrode and positively charged particles to the other, breaking up the flame.

I'll bet it will pull heat from water too

I place my bet on you...

[Dave45]

right now, if you asked me what set up is the most likely to produce a quantifiable amount of energy, i would say :

the hydro magnetic generator, which i recommend you read the description to understand why I am proposing the following variant to a tesla coil:



the toroid would be replaced with a copy of the Hydro Magnetic generator but instead of using barrium as he did, you replace it with quartz coating (nanopool)...and the hydro part played by Mstate water enjoy

as the water moves in the coated toroid it erodes the quartz and carries with it nano particule of quartz which increases the potential

....however i would like to point out that as you will read the post on the hydro magnetic generator, examples abound in space, as such in space water goes through a rapid cycle of liquid to ice due to shock wave and electric discharge

The Tesla coil reminds me of a pebble in a pond, the bigger the pebble the bigger the disruption, I spent most of the day shopping for more pvc parts to start my next cell,

[Dave45]

The Tesla coil separates the spark gaps from the diodes

[shawnnweed]

Oscar C. Blomgren: Electrostatic Cooling ~ Collected patents & articles

His high voltage electric field draws negatively charged electrons to one electrode and positively charged particles to the other, breaking up the flame.

I'll bet it will pull heat from water too

At what voltage range does this effect begin? And how effective is this method of cooling? To be honest this is a new one on me.

,Shawn