What would happen to an Inventor who could solve the energy crises?

[Steve220]

Good point

I think Mao tried this too in China. It did not work too well.

Back to the land sounds good. Kind of like the "good old days". I remember the 50 and 60s and there was problems back then too. I think there has always been problems since day one.

One time someone told me, that the only problem with the Earth, is that there are people living on it. I tend to agree. The planet would continue on its merry way just fine if every one was suddenly gone tomorrow morning.

[Savvypro]

The cost isn't always monetary.

If you go by the true currency of free men, then karma is what you're after. Complete equilibrium with nature means you are truly free and the chains that bind you are no more. Sadly it is only a concept welcomed by very few.

I understand where your coming from, but unfortunately - today it's all mainly monetary.

Before the 'white man' came to north america, the natives had abundant fresh water and food. We just need to get back to basics and quit polluting the earth. Many modern conveniences would need to be done away with. The less work we do, the more we atrophy. We also rely more on the 'system' which has disconnected us from the ways of our forefathers who knew how to till the soil and live off the land. Back to basics is the only way out of the rabbit hole.

[Steve220]

Move ahead

Of course moving ahead is the answer. Not very many people would trade in their car for a horse and buggy no matter how much it pollutes.
Also if every car today was exchanged for a horse and buggy, talk about pollution.

As you say, it is how you move ahead that counts. One hundred years from now, (if there is still people alive on Earth)
I think they would look back to 2011 as the dark times.

Here is why. How come computers have come so far, but we are still burning things for light and heat just like a thousand years ago?
My computer, for example is being run right now mostly, on Coal and Natural gas.
Cars have come very very far since the Model T Ford, but they still burn gas like a Model T Ford.

Will the automobile be replaced with something better? Sure but not tomorrow. There are more dark days ahead before the dawn I think .

[jtanguay]

Even formula 1 racing is mostly castrated by doing what they're told. I don't see them using plasma ignition in their engines. Just overpriced over engineered engines that if the same money was spent on food, could help feed a lot of people, and for what? How do we benefit from racing?

The problem with 'money' today is that it isn't even money. It's all a fiction printed on paper, and now forms of polymer plastic. It's backed by nothing, and the ones who benefit the most from it are the ones doing absolutely no work to 'earn' it. By work I mean actual physical labour. Just going with the flow and accepting the world as it is, is to be ignorant. Put yourself in the shoes of a chinese worker doing 16 hours per day working for extremely low wages and then tell me again if you believe in the system. Unfortunately the only way to come to that conclusion is to be forced into lower 'classes' of people in the system we've been thrown into. The ones at the top can only enjoy their lives while the ones at the bottom can only detest and hate their lives. The middle ground is when each and every one of us learns to work an equal amount as everyone else and pull their weight. There will come a time when everyone will need to choose. Many are called, few are chosen. It's a very lonely road to paradise

[aljhoa]

It's all a fiction printed on paper, and now forms of polymer plastic. ...the ones who benefit the most from it are the ones doing absolutely no work ..... By work I mean actual physical labour. .... The middle ground is when each and every one of us learns to work an equal amount as everyone else and pull their weight. .... Many are called, few are chosen. It's a very lonely road to paradise

In the countless Killing Fields.
The Killing Fields - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Al

[Savvypro]

Even formula 1 racing is mostly castrated by doing what they're told. I don't see them using plasma ignition in their engines. Just overpriced over engineered engines that if the same money was spent on food, could help feed a lot of people, and for what? How do we benefit from racing?

It was an example, which was clearly stated. The point was that because of the restrictions (car total weight with driver, engine max capacity of just 1 litre [if memory serves] etc.) you have the resulting "overpriced over engineered engines" which are required to meet the restrictions and the goal of winning. If you reread the last 4 paragraphs of my last post you'll see that I use formula 1 (a real world example) to show/explain what I see as the way forward.

The problem with 'money' today is that it isn't even money. It's all a fiction printed on paper, and now forms of polymer plastic. It's backed by nothing, and the ones who benefit the most from it are the ones doing absolutely no work to 'earn' it. By work I mean actual physical labour. Just going with the flow and accepting the world as it is, is to be ignorant. Put yourself in the shoes of a chinese worker doing 16 hours per day working for extremely low wages and then tell me again if you believe in the system. Unfortunately the only way to come to that conclusion is to be forced into lower 'classes' of people in the system we've been thrown into. The ones at the top can only enjoy their lives while the ones at the bottom can only detest and hate their lives. The middle ground is when each and every one of us learns to work an equal amount as everyone else and pull their weight. There will come a time when everyone will need to choose. Many are called, few are chosen. It's a very lonely road to paradise

In a previous post, I mentioned beliefs and fiat currency. But didn't go into them as that would take this thread in a completely different direction.

For those of you just tuning in, watch the following: David Blume "Alcohol Can Be A Gas" - that video answers the OP's question and meets every criteria.

I have an issue with the following:

The middle ground is when each and every one of us learns to work an equal amount as everyone else and pull their weight.

[ltseung888]

Giving the knowledge away

When the Inventor is willing to give the knowledge away, the scenario changes.

This is happening with the romerouk muller dynamo, the Prof. Steven Jones Joule Thief variant and others.

The theory is actually very simple. Multiple LCR resonance circuits can lead-out or bring-in the electron motion energy of the orbiting electrons (dipoles).

There is no point in discrediting the inventor. The proof of concept prototypes cost less than US$10 and any Country, University, organization or dedicated individual can develop it.

[Shadesz]

It was an example, which was clearly stated. The point was that because of the restrictions (car total weight with driver, engine max capacity of just 1 litre [if memory serves] etc.) you have the resulting "overpriced over engineered engines" which are required to meet the restrictions and the goal of winning. If you reread the last 4 paragraphs of my last post you'll see that I use formula 1 (a real world example) to show/explain what I see as the way forward.




In a previous post, I mentioned beliefs and fiat currency. But didn't go into them as that would take this thread in a completely different direction.

For those of you just tuning in, watch the following: David Blume "Alcohol Can Be A Gas"

Watching the video now, well listening.

I agree with your question though. While currently a laborer myself in my full time job, I know and understand that there is a necessity for different types of people, and professions. In a full time position I have been the laborer, the computer support, the manager, and the innovator, and can tell you each role is needed.

We need the dreamy innovator to develop more and better ways of doing things, we need those that can take the idea or product and develop a market for it, we need the rich investor to back the ideas and businesses of the first two people, we need people in the trenches that make the wheels turn and grunt to produce the actual product, we need managers willing to 'sit around' working to support those that are in the trenches, we need other people who sit at a computer and make sure the computer system that coordinates the production process is up and running like it should be, we need other people sitting at a computer making sure that everyone already listed gets paid, we need other people willing to grow the market, we need people willing to sit ata computer and phone and bill/collect money so the business has money to produce, etc, etc.

If it doesn't seem fair to you it may not be (depending on your location and circumstances) but I am a firm believer that in the USA you truly do have any chance to switch your professional role.

How this applies to the OP,
Having an "inventor" that comes up with a silver bullet wont lead to anything unless that inventor also has the skills or partners with the necessary skills to develop the rest of the parts required to bring the product to society/market.

If you are thinking of developing a product and bringing it to society for free you are living in a dream world. Even if you do find a cheap way to produce energy it will never be without production cost. Generators, regardless of the type, take money to manufacture.

Now if this inventor does actually come up with a good idea/product, but doesn't have the skills to bring it to the world, or partners with the skills, he is asking for the product to be stolen by those that do have teams with yhose skills. If he protects the product (via a patent) and can't bring it to the world because of lack of skills the idea will die. It wont be because some oil company bought it and hid it, it will be because he was too selfish and unskilled to bring the idea to market or let others bring it to market.

To those who believe that oil companies suppress energy I have to disagree. Oil companies don't exist like they used to. They have grown into energy companies, not oil companies. BIG DIFFERENCE.

[Shadesz]

Just finished the video. While others may not agree, I feel it reinforces the idea that the energy problem isn't caused by lack of ideas and processes to create cheaper energy, it is caused by a lack of ability to do so.

Great video btw, I will be buying stuff from his website I am sure.

[aljhoa]

the energy problem isn't caused by lack of ideas and processes to create cheaper energy, it is caused by a lack of ability to do so.

Planned economies create crises, would there be energy problem in the free market economy?
Al

[Shadesz]

Planned economies create crises, would there be energy problem in the free market economy?
Al

Expand please?

[aljhoa]

Expand please?

Planned economy is an economic system in which the state directs the economy.
Planned economy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A free market is a market in which economic intervention and regulation by the state is limited to tax collection, and enforcement of private ownership and contracts.
Free market - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Planned economies create crises, would there be energy problem in the free market economy?

Al

[Savvypro]

Planned economy is an economic system in which the state directs the economy.
Planned economy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A free market is a market in which economic intervention and regulation by the state is limited to tax collection, and enforcement of private ownership and contracts.
Free market - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Planned economies create crises, would there be energy problem in the free market economy?

Al

Planned economies create crises, would there be energy problem in the free market economy?

Based on the Wikipedia free market definition of what a free market is, which I'll quote below so there is no confusion of what I'm talking about:

A free market is a market in which economic intervention and regulation by the state is limited to tax collection, and enforcement of private ownership and contracts.

You have two version of that reality:
The first is that everyone is an angle and there wouldn't be a energy problem.

The second, which is based on reality (where angles are few and far between and almost non exsistent in goverment), would result in a problem over time as taxation can be increased, or extended, supply of energy can be artificially restricted.

As long as the goal is to centralise everything (which is the opposite of nature, where everything is decentralised and distributed). Then there will always be energy problems.


Back to the original point of this thread, below are more examples of suppression:

YouTube - ‪Who killed the electric car?(not the batteries)‬‏

Take a look at the following http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...n-battery.html thread. The overview, batteries developed by Edison at the turn of the last century, they last almost as long as a person and were intended for use in electric vehicles. There is a picture of Edison standing by his entry into a 1,000 mile endurance race - now think about that for a bit.

[aljhoa]

The only free market on the planet, is the black market - everything else isn't free.

WikiLeaks cables: Russian government 'using mafia for its dirty work'

Russia and its intelligence agencies are using mafia bosses to carry out criminal operations such as arms trafficking, according to allegations contained in the US embassy cables released by WikiLeaks.
WikiLeaks cables: Russian government 'using mafia for its dirty work' | World news | The Guardian

PUBLIC PROTECTION OR PRIVATE EXTORTION?

We analyze the strategic interaction between a firm, an extortionary
mafia, and a potentially corrupt government. The model identifies several
results. First, government spending is not monotonic in revenues.
Second, although the firm wants the government to challenge the mafia
(it uses the threat of electoral sanctions to induce the government to do
so), in equilibrium, the firm does not directly appeal to the government
for protection even though it is extorted.

http://home.uchicago.edu/~bdm/PDF/mafia.pdf

Al

[Shadesz]

It appears you don't believe we live in a free market (more or less)?

I'm just not seeing this USA economy being a planned economy, especially per your wiki definition.

Share more please, but please not more of those conspiracy theory articles. Share more from your own observations...

I'm kinda disappointed, I was excited to find a forum that talked about real solutions for renewable energy, so far it appears that it is mostly filled with conspiracy theorists and undereducated free energy enthusiasts...