Trees as radiant energy collector

[MonsieurM]

One more observation I made about the Caduceus coil while building one; Hasn't anyone noticed that a 2D projection (the shadow if you prefer) of the coil is actually a sin wave



the coil:

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[MonsieurM]

That is quite alright, you know as they say, "all roads lead to Rome". The purpose of these posts is so you can come back and get inspired by the info i post. I have been following your posts on the Open source Project thread ( http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...mission-3.html ) , and I am quite excited to see how you will go about your various testings...

can't wait to see your testing results

ps: Do you intend on grounding your Antenna to the Dam? if so I would recommend using another coil (caduceus anyone ):



see http://www.energeticforum.com/143400-post85.html

Now comes along Mr Jones with his new invention, showing us how to use a concentrated underground aerial that all of s can use in every city without any trouble whatsoever.
...One sleepless night visions began to parade before my half-conscious vision and amongst the crowd was a coil of wire rolling merrily along --- Ah! The problem was solved…

In the morning I went forth with vim and vigor to plant some coils in old Mother Earth. Finding labor scarce decided to throw them into the lake for a trial. Ouch! Then the fun began. Now to get back to business we will begin with the first experiment carried out at this lake, in order to prove my sanity.

James H. Rogers: Underground & Underwater Radio Antenna

just to give you an idea (12900 km cube of water present in the atmosphere )

Global distribution of atmospheric water:



The Water Cycle: Water Storage in the Atmosphere, from USGS Water Science for Schools

[Farmhand]

MonsieurM, I am unable to keep up with the post's you make at the moment.

Anyway I am almost ready to start something with a tree. My experiments with the wireless transmitter has given me an idea. I got out a very small cap pulser i made over a year ago for plate "P" experiments, it is 4.4 uf neon fired SCR pulser. I connected it to my wireless receiver and it is cracking out a very sharp pulses a bit quicker than once a second and is actually charging a battery when it started to rain the tempo of the discharges picked up significantly it almost doubled for a little while. I was waiting for it to rain to see if it would affect the discharge rate, then it happened which gave me a big smile . So I am thinking that the receiver may in fact pick up environmental energy as well as the transmitted energy, (the kinetic energy from the rain impacting the roof and stuff converted to charge on the toroid) I'll test that later. The impulses are so sudden they are affecting the computer just like a small spark gap. I have video soon.

I think i will wind a small receiver with all three coils but the tree will have the coil wound like a toroid around it like you showed before. This will excite the coil "B" and so on to Coil "A" which is closely coupled to Coil "C" but not mutual coupling. The output of coil "C" should then be at a resonable voltage to charge a cap to over neon fireing voltage but with some oomf behind it too.

Video of the cap pulser working from the receiver very soon.

Cheers
Here's the video clip, the camera shutter isn't fast enough to catch and record all the flashes but they can be heard and seen with the naked eye. The battery has charge up from 12.68 volts to 12.75 volts in about an hour.

P.S. VIdeo link - YouTube - ‪Pulsing battery From Receiver.wmv‬‏


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[MonsieurM]

more pictures of single and double mobius caduceus coil:







i think you can see very well the cluster of bubbles in the double coil


I'll try the same set up with tap water...we'll see...

note: the black thing is just tape (i had a small crack on the test tube so i put tape on it to prevent any leak)

just started this experiment, i ll check on it every hour to see if there is any evolution

(what you see here is the alkaline water in blue (few drops of iodide), yellowish is acid water (put more drops to show the contrast)








After

the acid (yellow) is starting to turn light blue while the alkaline took a lighter blue color (while still more bluish than the acid in the test tube)




Here I am comparing the result of the acid water inside the test tube with another experiment (open ended tube) which had only acid water inside, notice the clear difference between the two water bodies...

note: both experiments were started at the same time placed on the same place and exposed to the sun



the sun is almost out




I forgot to mention it but initial acid ph: 3.4 / alkaline ph: 10.1


I hope that after these simple experiments, you are intrigued enough to explore the electromagnetic properties of such a design ....

Felix Ehrenhaft: Magnetic Current --- 9 articles

Can a magnet take water to pieces? No, say physics textbooks. Yes, says Prof. Felix Ehrenhaft, former director of the Physical Institute at the University of Vienna, who now carries on his research in New York. If he should turn out to be right, his findings in the realm of magnetism promise practical applications as far-reaching as the dynamos, motors, transformers, telephones, and radio that have stemmed from Faraday’s research in electricity.

[MonsieurM]

Ok, Here is a simple experiment i did with the mobius-Caduceus Coil:

I wrap it around a open ended plastic tube (one end of the coil dipping in water and the other vertical like an antenna), and plunged it in a glass of Alkaline Water for 24 hours. I noticed after that a cluster of bubbles around the coil only. I then tried the same experiment with the double mobius-Caduceus coil, but this time with a test tube filled with acidic water plunged in alkaline water (one coil's end dipped in acidic water, while the other used as antenna, same for the pther coil but dipped in alkaline water). this time the bubbles formed in the walls of the glass and around the coils...Anyway just wanted to share this info with you

up next try the double coil with the open ended tube

i 'll post some pics later



Cheers

[MonsieurM]

Inspired by the previous experiment, I built a weird double caduceus coil:

first i built 2 mobius coil: Mobius Coil Tutorial

Then i made them into 2 overlapping caduseus coils, the trick is to get the crossing of the secondary coil right on the opposite side of the primary coil's crossing



now i'll see what easy test i can do on them



not my best work but you get the idea

[MonsieurM]

If you look at the picture, it mention that both object have to resonate to the same frequency; well you don't have that problem with trees:

see post 75 and 76

http://www.energeticforum.com/143047-post75.html

The Magnetic Resonance Amplifier (i think if you replace the coil with a caduceus coil, you'd get a whole lot more juice)

Joel McClain & Norman Wootan: Magnetic Resonance Amplifier ~ Collected Papers

With low-level ultrasonic input signals, the Magnetic Resonance Amplifier (MRA) produces usable direct current power at levels above unity. This circuit is based upon the work and theories of John Ernst Worrell Keely, and is offered into the public domain in his memory.....
....In the MRA schematic below, there is a tunable low-power oscillator which supplies a signal to one side of a barium titanate transducer. The opposite side of the transducer is connected to a primary coil which is wrapped around a barium ferrite magnet core. The opposite end of the primary goes back to the oscillator.
.....The MRA is a series resonant LC circuit in which power gain is attainable as a result of the increase in effective impedance under certain operating conditions. When the series impedance increases, primary current is reduced. When the power available from the secondary coil either remains the same or increases as the primary circuit impedance increases, a power gain occurs.

Note: the application of a coil inside a coil design is again being used in this experiment

The caduceus coil illustrated in Fig.1, basically consists of ordinary insulated copper wire wound in a double-helix around a ferrite core. THIS COIL HAS REPEATEDLY BEEN FOUND TO VIOLATE ESTABLISHED LAWS OF ELECTROMAGNETICS AND HERTZIAN WAVE THEORY WHEN A HIGH FREQUENCY CURRENT IS INJECTED INTO IT....
....First. This apparatus has zero impedance - unlike an ordinary coil. when fed electrical energy the wire in the Tensor coil does not get hot.

Secondly. It has infinite resonance - unlike an ordinary coil which will resonate chiefly at its natural fundamental frequency and weakly on the second or third harmonic, the Tensor coil is capable of resonating strongly on any number of frequencies randomly spaced in the spectrum. The signal pumped into such a coil strangely enough cannot be quantified (detected) by standard RF (radio frequency) detection apparatus. Many "Ham" radio operators and electronic technicians who have used these coils, are completely baffled by them

http://www.energeticforum.com/143400-post85.html

update:

In the The Magnetic Resonance Amplifier, a barium titanate transducer is used here, you can replace it with tourmaline

tourmaline

cheers

[MonsieurM]

Thanks for your kind words about the water coil method
Fractal antennas and load dependent automatic tuning lengths are of great interest. Dynamic Interactive Energy Coherance might be the term for such work. The acronym could however be pronounced DICEY !

Thinking about this and, while we seem to be chatting bereft of others at the moment, here's my nature principle, relating especially to deciduous trees.
New vs old.
New is a qualitative consideration that the mind perceives, that relates to function and relates to the natural conditioning of all matter creations in the universe.
A star shines brightly, decays, dies, becomes non existent. Is anything lost ? With nothing there to begin with, the time length of decay becomes the life energy force of that star. The matter consumed by the burning of the star is translated, redirected, transformed into light and heat. What was the use of the star having ever existed ?...now there's the question.
Everything created starts out as new. Time dictates erosion, decay and ultimately that non existence again.
Seats in a showroom car will smell new, look new, feel new to the posterior. No matter how well cared for over the career of the vehicle, those seats will never attain the state of new again.
Are all things created and then slowly decay...pretty much.
But, we do have exceptions.
One, is the deciduous tree.
During growth of the tree, we find that the leaves are new in the spring, mature over the summer and decay to non existence in the autumn. During winter, there is no trace of the previous leaves. A standard model of birth, growth during decay. However, spring arrives again and new takes effect again ! The buds appear, the new leaf grows and the cycle continues. Likewise, the roots are forming their fresh and new apical meristems, dynamically retuning the ever new state of the tree.
In such a way, the energies collected and emitted are fresh, altering continuously.
A tree has a slow, peaceful, harmonizing waveform..such a waveform extends into realms of life-time that other life cannot attain.
Other matter has quick, sharp, radical swings of power energy of shorter duration but increased energy output. Decay is sharp, often limited by externally imposed measures upon that decay. Til the last drop can be wrung from it, the decay marches on.
Both are suited to their tasks, but ultimately, in terms of energy harmonizing efficiency, the tree shines out as the star.

I believe we should not look at extracting and using such an energy with sledge hammer approaches, but to balance with it, work with it and derive a surplus through that balance.

I found a link that might interest you:



THE FRACTAL TREE: A SIMPLE MODEL OF ALL CREATION

[MonsieurM]

I forgot to add one remark, we have been discussing thus far trees as radiant antenna, while it just dawned on me that we already have a rough mock up of a tree in the Tesla coil :






Trees talk in w-waves

"Grants Pass, Ore. (AP) - Physicist Ed Wagner says he has found evidence that trees talk to each other in a language he calls W-waves.

"If you chop into a tree, you can see that adjacent trees put out an electrical pulse," said Wagner. "This indicates that they communicated directly."

"Explaining the phenomenon, Wagner pointed to a blip on a strip chart recording of the electrical pulse.

"It put out a tremendous cry of alarm," he said. "The adjacent trees put out smaller ones." .....

"People have known there was communication between trees for several years, but they've explained it by the chemicals trees produce," Wagner said.

"But I think the real communication is much quicker and more dramatic than that," he said. "These trees know within a few seconds what is happening. This is an automatic response."

"Wagner has measured the speed of W-waves at about 3 feet per second through the air.

"They travel much too slowly for electrical waves," he said. "They seem to be an altogether different entity. That's what makes them so intriguing. They don't seem to be electromagnetic waves at all."....

Comment. In addition to the above discovery, Wagner, who holds a PhD in physics from the University of Tennessee, has detected electrical standing waves in trees. The voltage measured by electrodes implanted in trees goes up and down as one goes higher and higher up the trees. Wagner's work has been published in Northwest Science, but we have not yet seen it. Incidentally, electricity does seem to affect plant growth, as described in our handbook: Incredible Life.

radiant wave anyone?

Trees Talk In W-waves


So I think that it would be useful to test the ideas i presented you with on a small scale (ie: tesla coil)

I just watch the interview of Tesla and he does mention that his set up was not perfect yet (i think if he knew, he would say not fractal enough)

YouTube Video: An interview with Nikola Tesla, set in 1904 after the Wardenclyffe failure.
This is from a movie about Tesla.


YouTube Video: Tesla's Wireless Power Transmission Demonstration
The fellow in this video seems like a moron, but it's actually a pretty good video.



YouTube Video: Eric Dollard & Peter Lindemann on Tesla's Longitudinal Electricity

George O. SQUIER

Tree Antennas





a diagrammatic view of a preferred form of an arrangement of transmission sets embodying my invention.



link:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/8315-magnifying-transmitter.html

[MonsieurM]

The Soliton Pulses Generator experiment JLN Labs (good simulation if you consider the carboard tube as the bark of the tree, and your ferrite core as the water and minerales circulating inside the tree in a fractal manner ,add to it the coil function of the tree,and you should end up with some very Funky (in a good way) results compared to the results seen in this experiment, theoretically... for now... )

On November 1997, I have built and tested sucessfully a Scalar Waves Transmitter1 based on caduceus wound coil, this device has shown some very interesting features concerning the transmission of these waves through a shielded and grounded box. Recently a french friend, Jean-Michel Cour, has proposed me to conduct a new interesting experiment2 in this field of researches. So, today, I have decided to re-open the tests of this weird caduceus coil.

The Soliton Pulses Generator experiment by Jean-Louis Naudin

[MonsieurM]

Keep those wonderful Ideas coming...I know we are unto something here, I have started teaching myself how to build a circuit and these coils, I have a potted palm tree I want to test it on...

(i know not the best choice for a tree but this is all i have right now worth testing on)


one more remark i would add, considering that the tree is a coil, so that makes it a coil inside a Caduceus coil, here is what i found on coil inside coil design:


Coil in Coil Design:

b).
A further advantage of the coil-in-coil design is that the trigger field and self
field have the same direction and their values add up directly, whereas in the tube in-
coil design both fields are perpendicular to each other.

http://ewh.ieee.org/tc/csc/europe/newsforum/pdf/ST24_Final2_011108.pdf

so you end up with a triple coil design if you count the water coil, should expect some very surprising effect...

also, although i cannot give you a ref for this (just have to look at some of his last coil transmitters), but it seems that Tesla also really liked to use the coil in coil design



awesome job and inspiring

[Slider2732]

I have about a dozen neon sign transformers. Some guy brought them to me about a year ago thinking I might want them..and at the time couldn't see a use. FESSCO DP120R8240/H. Apparently they are dimmable, reading the notes on the side of one right now. Which, means to me, that they are experiment devices hehe.
So, we could build a Caduseus coil around a tree trunk, which would then passively resonate (and hopefully amplify) the natural capilliary action frequency of the tree..the flowing current as it were). Then run a water tube primary coil on the outside of that, supplied with the voltage generated by the neon sign transformer for a skin effect within the water. Water also being excellent for transmission of wireless energies as noted earlier in the thread. Produced from the Caduceus coil are the now huge potentials of the interaction and at the tips of several tree branches we fit radiant energy Russell/Bashar energizer coils. One half of all twin pair inverted coils go to Ground, the other half of each collect the energies from the powering system.
If all tip coils focused to a beam, then i'd at least stand very very far back at switch on

No idea if any of that has merit, but these systems are starting to make at least experimental ideas flow.

[MonsieurM]

I was searching for different variant of coils that could be used in a resonator circuit, and I found this ref in the following thread: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post136523

If you think about it those coils are also very similar to a Caduseus coil.

And i went looking for some info, here is what i found:

The caduceus coil illustrated in Fig.1, basically consists of ordinary insulated copper wire wound in a double-helix around a ferrite core. THIS COIL HAS REPEATEDLY BEEN FOUND TO VIOLATE ESTABLISHED LAWS OF ELECTROMAGNETICS AND HERTZIAN WAVE THEORY WHEN A HIGH FREQUENCY CURRENT IS INJECTED INTO IT....
....First. This apparatus has zero impedance - unlike an ordinary coil. when fed electrical energy the wire in the Tensor coil does not get hot.

Secondly. It has infinite resonance - unlike an ordinary coil which will resonate chiefly at its natural fundamental frequency and weakly on the second or third harmonic, the Tensor coil is capable of resonating strongly on any number of frequencies randomly spaced in the spectrum. The signal pumped into such a coil strangely enough cannot be quantified (detected) by standard RF (radio frequency) detection apparatus. Many "Ham" radio operators and electronic technicians who have used these coils, are completely baffled by them

Caduceus Wound Coil Experiments


Wilbert B. Smith: Gravity Control ~ Binding Force ~ Caduceus Coil ~ Letters ~ Circuit Diagrams

.The coil is said to be a single winding of insulated copper wire, about #16 or #18 gauge, wound on a ferrite core of 1" to 1-1/2" diameter, and about 9" long. The coil is caduceus wound, that is, one begins the winding in the middle of the wire’s length, winding the wire in opposite directions around the core and crossing the wires on the same opposite diameter points each time around.

I wonder how it would work if used in a Tesla magnifier

i found this info on building a A Capacitive Transformer Tesla coil:

This experimental device is a 4th-order multiple resonance network where the floating elements are capacitors and all the inductors are grounded. It can be interpreted as a kind of Tesla coil where the inductive transformer is replaced by a "capacitive transformer". Its schematic diagram is as shown below.

C1 is charged to VC1 and the switch is closed. During the resulting transient, all the energy that was in C1 is transferred to C3+C2. C3 would be not necessary for the operation of the circuit, but its presence is unavoidable and it must be taken into account. In the actual construction, C3 and C2 are distributed capacitances. C2 is the capacitance between an interrupted metal ring connected to the lumped L1 and C1, placed around the inductor L2, and the combination of L2 and a terminal mounted above it. C3 is the remaining of the capacitance of the terminal and of L2, coupled to the ground.....
....The maximum voltage gain would be 9.44. It oscillates at 276 and 290 kHz and shows complete energy transfer in 10.5 cycles (36.2 µs) of the voltage in C1. C3 is 54% of the load capacitance. The directly coupled system has a maximum gain of 9.53, but it operates in mode 9:10, with about twice faster energy transfer, having so better efficiency because with less cycles less energy is lost before being transferred.

A capacitive transformer Tesla coil

A transformerless Tesla coil

[MonsieurM]

As always, take all the safety measures so as not to harm yourself

[Farmhand]

just finished replying to it ...

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/7909-open-source-project-tesla-jackson-wireless-transmission.html#post143224

Based on my reply in the open source project:

What if your aerial antenna was the tree, and the ground antenna the dam?...

Yes I see ! That would be a promising prospect as I am 50 meter's above the dam.