Trees as radiant energy collector

[MonsieurM]

I found a testimony on how a tree can act as an adaptive antenna

Much sung about in Celtic lore, the apple tree has long been connected with the Goddess, paradise, and healing. In my yard there is a little piece of paradise in the form of a wise old apple tree, a remnant of the earlier orchard that grew here. This tree has suffered a great deal due to the spot it was planted upon. Growing on a water line as it does sounds like it would be ideal for a tree, potentially an opportunity to grow well even in dry times. However, the energetic field generated by underground water movement is taxing. It cannot get up and walk off, but it has done everything it can to move away from the electro-magnetic field below. The tree leans away from the line. Its limbs and bark on the side where the water line is strongest have all died. Only at about 15 feet in height can branches successfully commence to grow on that side. The other side of the tree has struggled on bravely. Branches on that side begin at 6 feet and swoop down as low as 4 feet. The tree’s own energy field (or aura) was lopsided, very weak on the one side and stronger on the other side, mirroring its growth pattern and overall poor health.

The Wisdom of the Apple Tree

post#35 updated

[MonsieurM]

found some research on water and quantum properties:

Cooperative and Coherent Water

Cooperative hydrogen-bonding between molecules gives rise to energetically favourable three-dimensional network of supramolecular clusters in liquid water under ambient conditions, resulting in long-range dipole correlation and quantum coherence Dr. Mae-Wan Ho

info on quantum coherence:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coherence_(physics)

Positive Electricity Zaps Through Water Chains

Water bound on surfaces of proteins and membranes conducts positive electricity, and could enable cells and tissues to intercommunicate rapidly and efficiently. Dr. Mae-Wan Ho

Can Water Burn?

The case of salt water that can be ignited when exposed to a radio frequency beam and what it could tell us about the structure of water Dr. Mae-Wan Ho

Is Water Special?

Water has a collective structure that’s extremely flexible and dynamic, which may explain some of its ‘anomalies’. Dr. Mae-Wan Ho explains

Quantum Physics Makes Water Different

It is interesting that one of the substance that we are most familiar with, actually can only be explained using quantum mechanics. This is certainly true with water and its properties.

Quantum objects, such as atomic nuclei, have properties of both waves and particles. Quantum effects aren’t usually manifest to the naked eye, but in this case they may be responsible for some of water’s unusual features. “The quantum effect in water is abundantly obvious,” says Alan Soper of the Rutherford Appleton Laboratory in Didcot, England.

If So plus Water on the Sun info, then it explains this:

Apparently the Russian scientist Alexander Chizhevsky, who proposed and thoroughly researched links between solar activity and biological response, found that bacteria in water responded to solar flares instantaneously, as opposed to the 8.3 minutes it should take for the photon bombardment to elicit a response."

and this:

Redon files: Quantum Entanglement in Photosynthesis and Evolution

Recently, academic debate has been swirling around the existence of unusual quantum mechanical effects in the most ubiquitous of phenomena, including photosynthesis, the process by which organisms convert light into chemical energy.

and finally:

"Quantum Water" Discovered in Carbon Nanotubes

Chengdu Organic Chemicals Co. Ltd., Chinese Academy of Sciences

A new quantum state of water found in carbon nanotubes at room temperature could have important implications for life...
...That's a big deal. Reiter and co chose carbon nanotubes because they are an analogue of the conditions water faces when passing through living systems, through ion channels in cell membranes, for example. Biologists have long known that flow through these channels is orders of magnitude greater than conventional fluid dynamics predicts. Perhaps this new state of quantum water is the reason why.

I hope this convinces you enough to try building a water coil

enjoy


link:

Physics and Physicists: Quantum Physics Makes Water Different

New Science of the Organism - Water

[MonsieurM]

one more info, which is of great importance, i know you guys would agree with me :

Water on the Sun?

An international team of scientists, including a University of Waterloo chemistry professor, has conclusively demonstrated that water (actually steam) does exist on the sun, confirming a breakthrough finding made two years ago.

The team used an innovative method to calculate the water spectrum at sunspot temperatures. The method will be useful in modelling systems with an abundance of extremely hot water molecules, such as forest fires.

Water Found on Sun

note: meet your coil/fractal antenna to harvest sun energy and it also confirms why:

Apparently the Russian scientist Alexander Chizhevsky, who proposed and thoroughly researched links between solar activity and biological response, found that bacteria in water responded to solar flares instantaneously, as opposed to the 8.3 minutes it should take for the photon bombardment to elicit a response."

and it does make sense when i read post #58 written by sucahyo , with just one minor detail i would change, it is not electricity the true cause that triggers the change in the trees but the water present in it reacting to water present in the sun:

The trees in the northern hemisphere that are not evergreens alter the spin direction and it's field diameters twice yearly.
On march 18( aprox)
and Sept 22nd( aprox)
During the winter the dominant above surface field spin direction is clockwise, on march the 18th this slowly stops and reverses totally, as does the field below surface, then the dominant field is focused above the tree, the water FALLS to the top of the tree, on Sept 22nd they again reverse and all the water is then attracted back underground to a point below the tree.

http://www.energeticforum.com/142497-post58.html

Just to show you that i was not the first one to think of this concept:

Elaborating the Neoplatonist picture. Agrippa accepts the basic Neoplatonic framework sketched above. God has the Forms in his mind. God created "Angelical and Celestial secondary causes," beings Agrippa also calls the "Intelligences," and God "gives the seal of His Ideas to the Intelligences." The Intelligences then use the "heavens and stars as instruments" to send these copies of the Forms down to humans on the Earth. In exactly the way our souls/intellects control our bodies, the Intelligences -- the Celestial souls -- control the body (=the matter) of the universe. So just as my mind "sends commands" to my body in order for the mind to achieve its aims, so too do the Intelligences/ celestial souls use the stars to achieve their ends. Thus Agrippa agrees with Avicen[na], who says "whatever things are done here, must have been before in the motions and conceptions of the stars and orbes." Agrippa says that "quintessence" -- Aristotle's 5th element, aither -- is what conveys the Intelligences' power to material stuffs: the spirit is contained in "the rays of the stars."

one last for the road: guess what is toroidal and is dependent on the sun's rotation:

Heliospheric current sheet:

The heliospheric current sheet (HCS) is the surface within the Solar System where the polarity of the Sun's magnetic field changes from north to south. This field extends throughout the Sun's equatorial plane in the heliosphere.[1][2] The shape of the current sheet results from the influence of the Sun's rotating magnetic field on the plasma in the interplanetary medium (Solar Wind).[3] A small electrical current flows within the sheet, about 10−10 A/m². The thickness of the current sheet is about 10,000 km...

...As the Sun rotates, its magnetic field twists into a Parker spiral,[5] a form of an Archimedean spiral, named after its discovery by Eugene Parker.

and don't forget the presence of water in the sun and you have your Cosmic Water Coil capacitor, containing your earth water coil, containing your tree water coil, and so on (sounds fractal, no?)

If you want to understand the world as a system then you need to investigate three key components.

Cycles your 3
Fractal patterns your 6
Exponential functions your 9 ;the smaller you get (on the cosmic scale), the bigger the voltage , this is your exponential function
[B][U]


If you only knew the magnificence of the 3, 6 and 9, then you would have a key to the universe.
— Nikola Tesla:



Heliosphere - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

from quantum agriculture (see below)

" What Lehrs is describing here is the power of an insulator (dielectric: ie water) to accumulate a static charge from a weak field and condense it into a strong charge that gives rise to an electrostatic field.

any thoughts on what i have posted so far


heehee, enjoy

[MonsieurM]

I think science do not know water yet.

I totally agree with you, as for:

Thanks. I believe what ride along on sun light can be transferred with a copper wire to anywhere else needed. It is not magnetic and it is not electric.

the only answer I can give you is this:

here are some recent scientific facts:

Solar power without solar cells: A hidden magnetic effect of light could make it possible

Light has electric and magnetic components. Until now, scientists thought the effects of the magnetic field were so weak that they could be ignored. What Rand and his colleagues found is that at the right intensity, when light is traveling through a material that does not conduct electricity, the light field can generate magnetic effects that are 100 million times stronger than previously expected. Under these circumstances, the magnetic effects develop strength equivalent to a strong electric effect. from the article

Radioactive decay rates vary with the sun's rotation: research

Radioactive decay rates, thought to be unique physical constants and counted on in such fields as medicine and anthropology, may be more variable than once thought.

Experience is made before the law is formulated, both are related like cause an effect. Nicholas Tesla

It means that only through experimentation will we know, I have showed you sufficient clues to explore the idea of water being used as a coil to resonate with tree just like Slider2732's idea:

If water was pumped, at the resonant frequency of the tree, in a spiral pattern at the base of the trunk, could it be imagined that energy would literally flow ?
It would be somewhat analogous to a battery circuit.

coupled with this:

A novel and original high frequency generator was another of the devices that greatly interested the writer. It employed a jet of water shunted by a large capacity, the stream of water being connected to a high potential source of direct current. High frequency currents of any range up to the limit of audibility, or about 30,000 cycles per second, could be readily obtained with this apparatus.

may result in this:

WiTricity is based on strong coupling between electromagnetic resonant objects (ie two water coil) to transfer energy wirelessly between them. This differs from other methods like simple induction, microwaves, or air ionization. The system consists of transmitters and receivers ( a tree for instance) that contain magnetic loop antennas critically tuned to the same frequency. Due to operating in the electromagnetic near field, the receiving devices must be no more than about a quarter wavelength from the transmitter (which is a few meters at the frequency used by the example system). In their first paper, the group also simulated GHz dielectric resonators...
...In the experiment both coils were made to resonate at 10Mhz, allowing them to couple and for "tails" of energy to flow between them.

one more remark:

I am sorry if I insist on this but you have to change your referential when considering trees and water, as i said previously, think of them as two adaptive fractal Antenna.

An adaptive antenna is type of smart antenna. It's "smart" because it improves on the traditional antenna by adjusting for traffic patterns at a given time to increase signal strength and quality. To adjust for frequency and channel use, the adaptive antenna uses multiple antennas (ie:fracta tree)and an algorithm in order to maximize the strength of the signals being sent and received while eliminating, or at least reducing, interference...
...An adaptive antenna can be used both at a base station or at an individual terminal. Having an adaptive antenna both at the source and by the end user would improve the signal .

the constructal law of nature:

The constructal law puts forth the idea that the generation of design (configuration, pattern, geometry) in nature is a physics phenomenon that unites all animate and inanimate systems, and that this phenomenon is covered by the Constructal Law stated by Adrian Bejan in 1996: "For a finite-size (flow) system to persist in time (to live), [U]its configuration must evolve such that it provides easier access to the imposed currents that flow through it[/U]."

cheers

[sucahyo]

Thanks. I believe what ride along on sun light can be transferred with a copper wire to anywhere else needed. It is not magnetic and it is not electric. See agricultural section for sucessfull experiment by guruji:

http://www.energeticforum.com/agriculture/showthread.php?p=140787#post140787

I think kirlian show more about characteristic of water resistance to high voltage. On other test, mountain water should have been the best.

Sea water will only boost temporarily. Prolonged use can kill the plants and the land. Laboratory test should be done in years, not months.


I done some ice experiment. Many try to explain, very easy to do, but no one can replicate:



I think science do not know water yet.

[MonsieurM]

I got an answer why we should be using a water coil, before remember this fact (i ll explain why later):

water is present everywhere

Water appears to be one of the most abundant molecules in the Universe. It dominates the environment of the Earth and is a main constituent of numerous planets, moons and comets. On a far greater scale it possibly contributes to the so-called "missing mass" of the Universe and may initiate the birth of stars inside the giant molecular clouds. This paper gives a brief description of water and ice environments with an emphasis on their possible origin and subsequent development in the Solar System. Expanding the scope of hydrology to cover phenomena encountered on other celestial bodies is postulated and discussed.

WATER IN THE UNIVERSE

The Paper

Now I present with:

WiTricity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

WiTricity is based on strong coupling between electromagnetic resonant objects (ie two water coil) to transfer energy wirelessly between them. This differs from other methods like simple induction, microwaves, or air ionization. The system consists of transmitters and receivers ( a tree for instance) that contain magnetic loop antennas critically tuned to the same frequency. Due to operating in the electromagnetic near field, the receiving devices must be no more than about a quarter wavelength from the transmitter (which is a few meters at the frequency used by the example system). In their first paper, the group also simulated GHz dielectric resonators...
...In the experiment both coils were made to resonate at 10Mhz, allowing them to couple and for "tails" of energy to flow between them.

doesn't this remind you of Witricity:






An electrostatic spatial resonance model for coaxial helical structures with applications to the filamentous bacteriophages.

It is found that coaxial helices with optimally mated symmetries can lock into spatial resonance configurations that maximize their interaction. The resonances are represented as vectors in a discrete three-dimensional space[

An electrostatic spatial resonance model for coaxial helical structures with applications to the filamentous bacteriophages.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1225605/pdf/biophysj00068-0079.pdf

Cheers

[MonsieurM]

I was just reading through this thread:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/8227-dr-steven-e-jones-jt-variation.html

and i also read the info on pesn:

Dr. Steven E. Jones' circuit gives evidence for 8x overunity

Retired Physics Professor, Steven E. Jones is working on a simple overunity circuit that he has seen go as high as 20 times overunity; documented on a state-of-the-art Tektronix 3032 oscilloscope at Brigham Young University producing eight times as much energy as was required to run the solid state circuit. One of his friends, Les Kraut, has replicated the circuit and also achieved eight times overunity...
..."I don't know where the energy is coming from, but it's coming from somewhere," he said.

I would like you to check out the following image, it is a "google map" of Brigham Young University (marker B)...




...Indeed the Great Salt Lake is close by (here is your large coil)

The magnifying transmitter is an advanced version of Tesla coil transmitter. It is a high power harmonic oscillator that Nikola Tesla intended for the wireless transmission of electrical energy.[1] In his autobiography, Tesla stated that "...I feel certain that of all my inventions, the Magnifying Transmitter will prove most important and valuable to future generations."[1] The magnifying transmitter is an air-core, multiple-resonant transformer that can generate very high voltages....
...In 1899, Tesla moved his research to Colorado Springs.

click on the link to see where Colorado Springs is located:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/Arkansasrivermap.jpg

[MonsieurM]

Water

Now that we talked about the structure, let me share with u some info on water:

New thread opened on:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/8252-how-build-water-coil.html

(and i hope it gets you to understand that we still have not unlocked all the secrets of water)

Kirlian Photography of
water samples on photographic film©:
1 drop - tap water,
2 mountain water drop,
Teteven, Bulgaria,
3 drop - seawater,
Hammamet, Tunisia,
4 drop - karst and mineral water,
Zlatna Panega, Bulgaria,;
Dr. Ignatov©, Dipl.Eng. Yatsevich©, 2010

"In the Kirlian effect, which is a high-frequency electric discharge in gas, the color of light depends only on gas. It does not depend on the electrodes. It is apparent that the color Kirlian aura carries biological information from the object itself. The observed phenomenon cannot be described and explained from the point of view of the modern physical notions for the color of the light of gas discharge. The fact that different colors are being observed, apparently confirms the opportunity for selective influence on the researched object. The methodic and the results of Dr. Ignat Ignatov are a novelty, because local energy states of the researched object are displayed depending on the colors in his electric aura. This, as a fact, presents new possibilities for the research and characterization of the qualities and properties in a biological and physical aspect of the object. New opportunities are found for the characterization of the biological properties of objects after a certain influence. Dr. Ignatov’s methodic for Color Kirlian spectral analysis can be defined. New notions for color vision are possible to be discovered. It is not clear whether the green color that we see is an averaged effect between the yellow and the blue color, or in some cases it corresponds to a wave length corresponding to the green color of the spectrum (Marinov, Ignatov, 2008)"

this was posted on a thread I started on growing produce on salt water by Savvypro :

Watering Tomato Plants With Diluted Seawater Boosts Levels Of Antioxidants

ScienceDaily (Apr. 29, 2008) — Watering tomatoes with diluted seawater can boost their content of disease-fighting antioxidants and may lead to healthier salads, appetizers, and other tomato-based foods, scientists in Italy report.

Besides their use in a variety of ethnic food dishes, tomatoes are one of the most commonly grown home garden vegetables, particularly cherry tomatoes. Scientists have linked tomatoes to several health benefits, including protection against prostate cancer and heart disease. Researchers have known for years that seawater does not stimulate the growth of tomatoes, but scientists know little about its effects on the nutritional content of the vegetables.

In the new study, Riccardo Izzo and colleagues grew cherry tomatoes in both freshwater and in a dilute solution of 12 percent seawater. They found that ripe tomatoes grown in the salty water showed higher levels of vitamin C, vitamin E, dihydrolipoic acid, and chlorogenic acid. All of these substances are antioxidants that appear to fight heart disease, cancer, aging, and other conditions. Using saltwater to irrigate tomato crops also appears to be a promising alternative to freshwater irrigation, especially in the wake of water shortages in some parts of the world, the researchers note.

The article "Irrigation with Diluted Seawater Improves the Nutritional Value of Cherry Tomatoes" is scheduled for the May 14 issue of ACS' Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry

It would make sense if you think of the tomato as an antenna especially when you see the Kirlian pics

http://www.energeticforum.com/agriculture/8176-produce-salt-water.html

Note see Number 2 mountain water drop, and remember what I posted earlier:

I noticed that spiral trees were rare in the area around Long Lake, but they were common near tree line on Mount Audubon. This pattern is repeated in other areas, and appears to be common on the eastern slope of the Front Range. In general, spiral trees are rare in deep forests and valleys, and are most common on windy ridges and at tree line...
...Did you also think about the presence of a body of water close to the tree. If as i said previously water is your coil, the proximity of a larger coil (ie: the lac) all the tree would need is to resonate with the lac, nature does not like to waste energy.

The Capacity for Unique Bioinfluence Is Where the Colors of the Kirlian Aura Are (Ignat Ignatov) - Scientific Research Center of Medical Biophysics (SRCMB)

the following website has a collection of links relating to vibrational water, going from the esoteric to the scientific (u pick whichever interests you).

Vibrational water is a term we are using to encompass a broad range of concepts and technologies related to energetic water themes. Vibrational energy is an emerging field in medicine, physics, and agriculture. Thus, related terms include vibrational medicine, vibrational physics, and vibrational agriculture.

Perhaps you will notice that some of these practices deal with subtle energy (e.g., Reiki, sai sanjeevini), while others are grounded in mechanical-biological (e.g., flow forms, Effective Microorganisms). We take a liberal approach and include all of these practices and concepts under this large umbrella known as vibrational water.

Vibrational Water

Vibrational Water:// Standard Chemistry and Physics; A Reference Point

Causes of Color: //Why is water blue? //Vibrations and visible spectrum
Home | Causes of Color

Causes of Color: //Home
Home | Causes of Color

Double-Resonance Spectroscopy of Autoionizing States of Water
Double-resonance spectroscopy of autoionizing states of water

Dense Water
Peter Augustin

http://www.dichtes-wasser.de/eng/startframe_englisch.htm

A fascinating series of articles on properties of water from Peter Augustin. The material probably lies somewhere between metaphysics and standard physics; very interesting!
Selected titles:

The Anomalies of Water – The Foundation of Life

http://www.dichtes-wasser.de/eng/The_Anomalies_of_Water.htm

The Muscles in Water

http://www.dichtes-wasser.de/eng/membrantext_englisch.htm

The Biological Vacuum

http://www.dichtes-wasser.de/eng/the_biological_vacuum.htm

Biological life is above all invisible, contractile, vibrating, reflecting muscle
membrane in water.

At the Beginning was the Sound. The Earthworm or The inner Infinity
Peter Augustin
http://www.dichtes-wasser.de/eng/at_..._the_sound.htm

water is present everywhere

Water appears to be one of the most abundant molecules in the Universe. It dominates the environment of the Earth and is a main constituent of numerous planets, moons and comets. On a far greater scale it possibly contributes to the so-called "missing mass" of the Universe and may initiate the birth of stars inside the giant molecular clouds. This paper gives a brief description of water and ice environments with an emphasis on their possible origin and subsequent development in the Solar System. Expanding the scope of hydrology to cover phenomena encountered on other celestial bodies is postulated and discussed.

WATER IN THE UNIVERSE

The Paper

Cheers

[MonsieurM]

Trees require only voltage, so I doubt trees will produce much current. But Schauberger mention that healthy tree has enough power to lit a lightbulb.

I posted this a while back:

You have to completely change the way you see your plant/tree, (new referential), from the words of Walter Russell, stop looking at the effect but explore the cause.

I would highly recommend that you read this post to understand how you can extract energies out of a tree: (hint cone/spiral antenna = tree)

http://www.energeticforum.com/138939-post37.html

Properties of Light



link:
Electromagnetic Radiation



Solar power without solar cells: A hidden magnetic effect of light could make it possible

Light has electric and magnetic components. Until now, scientists thought the effects of the magnetic field were so weak that they could be ignored. What Rand and his colleagues found is that at the right intensity, when light is traveling through a material that does not conduct electricity, the light field can generate magnetic effects that are 100 million times stronger than previously expected. Under these circumstances, the magnetic effects develop strength equivalent to a strong electric effect. from the article

thanks for the info:

The fields are sequenced to fibonacci, that is 34/55, not equal, the implosion rate into this planet is 55, the emmitance is 34, hence so called gravity, a consequence, not a force.

It fits right in with a theory I have been exploring:

http://www.energeticforum.com/new-members-area/7372-better-way-present-periodic-table.html

as for

I consider every branch and root as antennae, then i assume that the tree alters the shape of the resonant structure, thus reversing the field flows.

thanks it just shows that a tree is an "adaptive antenna" as i mentioned it previously

what were trying to catch is not the electric component, but the magnetic component

[sucahyo]

Trees require only voltage, so I doubt trees will produce much current. But Schauberger mention that healthy tree has enough power to lit a lightbulb.

Electroculture works because electricity (voltage) is converted to energy that the tree respond too. As proof, I get giant leaf with something that must not has electricity nor magnetism. I think tree antenna work the same way as moody coil. Here is my experiment. Overshadowed though.


I once tried putting a coil (not cone) at the north of a small plant, the plants die. There is still too much variable to be learned.

Similar device may make water taste better, altering the water structure and attract rain.



I think you will find this bellow interesting, by Kevin:

The trees in the northern hemisphere that are not evergreens alter the spin direction and it's field diameters twice yearly.
On march 18( aprox)
and Sept 22nd( aprox)
During the winter the dominant above surface field spin direction is clockwise, on march the 18th this slowly stops and reverses totally, as does the field below surface, then the dominant field is focussed above the tree, the water FALLS to the top of the tree, on Sept 22nd they again reverse and all the water is then attracted back underground to a point below the tree.

I consider every branch and root as antennae, then i assume that the tree alters the shape of the resonant structure, thus reversing the field flows.

The positive flow nearest the earth has fallen by halve, the trees are electricly based and thus know that winter is arriving, they are altering the field spin direction about themselves and the water is falling back towards the earth under the normal what we call gravity domain, in summer the trees totally turn this around and the water falls to the top of the tree, because gravity is a consequence not a force, it is about attraction of one state of spin to the other.
This is why the trees suddenly all react and the leaves dry out fast, and it all happens on a measurable grid, as blake painted.

The fields are sequenced to fibonacci, that is 34/55, not equal, the implosion rate into this planet is 55, the emmitance is 34, hence so called gravity, a consequence, not a force.
The net difference is how creation occurs, imho, thus the planets mass is created continually, unless a sudden spike occurs where a net reversal may occur, thus reverse creation where matter and mass in the pathway of such a spike will revert to no-thing, which is space, the discharge will be the reversal of 55/34.

[MonsieurM]

Magnetic Induction of Water

Supposedly any conductive material can be made into a generator in one of these ways. Now as I pointed out liquid conductors do have different properties than metal conductors, primarily in how they transmit a charge as I pointed out in the Experiment #1 paper. I can't find any information that would suggest that you COULDN'T use water as a generator if you followed the basic rules of building and operating such a generator. There are many possibilities along those lines which I plan
to deal with separately. In this posting I just wanted to look at generators in general....
... In thinking about this in relation to water I decided that it would be interesting to think about weather or not water, used as the coils in a generator, would work. We already know that the Hydrogen Bond in water is weakened by the proximity to an electromagnetic field and we know that water (with an electrolyte) acts as a conductor. The fact that it is a conductor satisfies the main requirement for induction of electric current and the weakening in the presence of an EMF would suggest that, as above, a charge could be inducted by proximity. With these two factors in favor of the idea of water as the coil in a generator would seem to indicate that it would be possible to construct a mechanism which would exploit this and cause an electric current to be generated.

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[MonsieurM]

I found this thread on Overunity Forum about Water coil, quite interesting for the tree antenna esperiment

Water coil in magnetic generator

Hi all,

Just found the link http://www.geocities.com/mj_17870/magneticinduc.htm
The site itself contains many ideas about water splitting, properties, etc., but mostly theoretical
Site root http://www.geocities.com/mj_17870/index.html

Now brief desctription of idea from first link.

1) The one suggests to make some kind of water solenoid "coil" - by replacing the regular wire coil with coil of thin plastic pipe filled with h2so4 (or other) electrolitic solution.

2) Place the permanent magnet on one axle with dc motor inside the coil and spin to generate emf in surrounding coil.

Here are the questions:

1) What about back-emf in such system ? Will it make any resistance for dc motor if we take some electricity from "generator" water coil (the coil contains regular metal electrodes on its endings of course). I think that there should be back-emf effect but I confused with water conductors

2) If the emf generated in this water coil - AC electrolysis should take place. How this electrolysis agrees with energy conservation law ? We have the H2 and O2 on exit along with AC electricity - but place some DC to spinning motor (which possible counterforced by back-emf.

[MonsieurM]

You are most , And i'm really thankful to find people like minded willing to take the time to review and experiment.

it is only natural to give back, to those that have patiently and passionately shared their knowledge.

ps: I try to quote the most relevant information, of course, i could miss something, but i try not to

However, once you start experimenting, you may need to print all the info i posted (sorry) or put it on your ipad/ebook reader, so you can start taking notes for future tweaking .

You'll have to forgive me for asking, but is this set up relevant to our subject:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/8234-resonating-resonator-circuit.html

replace coils with water coils

I thought I would give a little bit of explination to the circuit.

The first part is as the Prof: has but with a few alterations that I think will make it work better. This is our frequency generator which is very low power consumption, this then feeds the pulse "pump" to the decoupling cap C2. Feeding in after C2 is our bias voltage which all goes to a parametric amplifier, the Faraday loop is our LC which is also part of our special transformer/antenna system and feed back and power load output.

This is "by design" to resonate with the ambient and draw in extra energy, the output coil setup should be temperature measured before and after starting the circuit, a temperature difference should be seen if the circuit is running as by design.

A neon and not a led should be used on the secound output as there will be quite high voltage there.

The Faraday loop is place exactly in the center of the 15T coil and the two pick up coils are either end of the 15T coil. The 15T coil should be of a dia: of 1.5mm and the pick up coils half this size.

Mike

according to the picture, your tree would be the top antenna and earth ground

maybe

Experience is made before the law is formulated, both are related like cause an effect. Nicholas Tesla

[Farmhand]

Twisted and Untwisted Tree's.

That is an awesome collection of information MonsieurM, I will need to review the bulk of it before I take action. I've been looking at different tree's and evaluating them.

I think I see some twisted and some not of the same kind of tree very close together. If I get time tomorrow I'll get a picture or two. Unfortunately they are too near to the AC wire's from the grid to the house. So no good to experiment with.

[MonsieurM]

good news dug up another interesting info, for water resonnance:

Resonance in water.

If you wind 1000 turns of 26 swg enamelled copper wire around a glass bottle filled with water and then flash this coil a cross a 12 volt car battery ..... all of the protons in the bottle, that were previously aligned with earths magnetic field .... immediately realign them selves with this new field. As soon as this field collapses the protons want to realign back to Earths magnetic field. The problem is that the protons are spinning like a top and instead of a smooth precession they 'wobble' back, in the same way as a child's top wobbles as it runs down. If after flashing the coil we then connect it to a high gain frequency counter we can actually measure the 'wobble' frequency ...... and it is directly proportional to the ambient field strength. For example in Southern England ... away from any magnetic anomalies ... the wobble frequency is about 2000 Hertz. If magnetic anomalies are present then the wobble frequency will change. This is the principle of the early magnetometers.

...Equipment resonance.

If we wire a capacitor and an inductance is series or parallel, together they form a tuned circuit, that has a resonant frequency. At resonance the voltage across the inductance or the water capacitor is at a maximum. If we want to develop a maximum voltage across either component then the frequency of stimulation must equal the resonant frequency of the tuned circuit, ie the water capacitor and two resonant chokes. At this point we have to assume that they really do form a tuned circuit. The next move is to excite that tuned circuit to find out what it's resonant frequency is. This has to be done with the water capacitor full of water, which has a dielectric constant of about 84. This means that providing the water does not short out the plates, the capacitor will have it's empty value multiplied by a factor of 84 ... since C approximates to .....



Where ....


C is the capacitance in farads, F
A is the area of each plate, measured in square metres
εr is the relative static permittivity (sometimes called the dielectric constant) of the material between the plates, (vacuum =1)
ε0 is the permittivity of free space where ε0 = 8.854x10-12 F/m
d is the separation between the plates, measured in metres

Small World, article talks about the Meyer device...

Searching for Magic Frequencies

Reminder of Rogers Apparatus:

The Rogers laboratory, which comprises several large rooms, is lined on all sides with glass cabinets containing electrical apparatus which he has invented from time to time through his studious career. A novel and original high frequency generator was another of the devices that greatly interested the writer. It employed a jet of water shunted by a large capacity, the stream of water being connected to a high potential source of direct current. High frequency currents of any range up to the limit of audibility, or about 30,000 cycles per second, could be readily obtained with this apparatus.

side note

Another version of this "water" high frequency generator:

the Jet Turbine by Viktor Schauberge with the direct current passing through the cone-shaped rotor