Trees as radiant energy collector

[MonsieurM]

we won't know until we try it, wouldn't we?

Experience is made before the law is formulated, both are related like cause an effect. Nicholas Tesla

[MonsieurM]

Here is an experiment that you could do on your tree using Lord Kelvin Experiment to collect and increase energy :

1- Collapsible Bladder (see: http://www.energeticforum.com/144597-post39.html)

2-vortex trap : spiraling around the tree (or you could just connect it to a plastic hose with magnetic tape spiraling around it which you coil around the tree "braided type" like the simple Caduceus coil)

Vortex Trap

All magnetic traps rely somewhat on vortex effects but this particular trap uses a vortex a bit more actively. The vortex trap uses something called the "vortex tube phenomenon"....
.... Here is a vortex trap made of transparent acrylic with the inner vortex clearly visible:

Vortex Trap



3- at the end you use the Lord Kelvin Set up



YouTube - ‪Viktor Schauberger - Lord Kelvin Water Drop Electrostatic Generator‬‏

you could connect to it a water/methanol or Mstate capacitor to collect energy

Experience is made before the law is formulated, both are related like cause an effect. Nicholas Tesla

don't want to bother with the vortex trap, make your own M state water and then circulate it in the collapsible bladder + coiled hose (Caduceus style, now one of my fav coils )

more info on the caduceus coil : Wild & crazy Caduceus Coil interpretation

you could try adding 2 of these at each end of the hose and around the tree or replace the rings in the Kelvin experiment with 2 of these (water dropping in between the 2 ends):



see: http://www.energeticforum.com/144508-post116.html


only through experimentation will we know, I have showed you sufficient clues to explore the idea of water being used as a coil to resonate with tree just like Slider2732's idea:

If water was pumped, at the resonant frequency of the tree, in a spiral pattern at the base of the trunk, could it be imagined that energy would literally flow ?
It would be somewhat analogous to a battery circuit.

ps: don't waste that water, it is still Mstate water,just repump it in the system, now you have sufficient energy to make the system self running or consume very little power. And i postulate that the more it runs in the circuit the more concentrate your M state water is (that is it becomes more oily ) , the more it will resonate with the tree .

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In the continuing exploration of centrifugal force, I’ve built a water turbine that takes advantage of this phenomenon as its primary source of power.
Its design is based on the works of Victor Schauberger and Allan Cresswell. I’ve built a number of previous turbines, but for various mechanical reasons I couldn’t get them working satisfactorily. I have hopefully worked out some of those issues enough to get a working unit.
This is a picture of the machine I put together. The container is a cut down 55 gallon drum. The turbine is powered from a 1/3 hp 12 VDC motor. I have an amp meter in series with the DC feed to monitor power drain.

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime. Confucius

[MonsieurM]

Side note:

Mercury Messenger: Ice appears to cover parts of Mercury, NASA says - Los Angeles Times

Ice may cover parts of Mercury
The planet closest to the sun appears to have more ice at its poles than does Earth's moon, say scientists analyzing data from the Messenger spacecraft.

[Farmhand]

Hi Monsieur, I took the pulse of a large Ghost Gum tree today, I measured a main frequency at about 12 to 21 Khz and funily enough the waveform looks much like this. But not so jagged.

http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pRRfb3GHhbC-hKfSGJtsYX3-_WqjfVTgH_hPJD4AOmwse5ud4mfi4ffhzMkoiirPuFr60V7ZDJGCRVMpGMfRzMg/Tesla%20Coils-22%20009.JPG?psid=1

Which is why I didn't bother to photgraph it, yet. The frequency increased as the wind picked up and there was a definate minimum at about 12 Khz and a definate maximum at about 21 Khz, no matter how hard the wind blew the frequency never topped 22 Khz it went from 12 Khz to 20Khz with just a bit of wind and stayed there as the wind increased.

The little meter said between 25 to 35 db, whatever that means.
decibels ?

I only measured it 1.6 meters up the tree ( the probe) and right at the base, I used screws to get attachment points. I'll get a wire attached higher In a tree when I check a few more out.

So that sounds like a resonable frequency to keep in mind for now, I will check out some more as i get time. It's very windy here now and winter so it is not that pleasent outside some days.

Cheers

[Iotayodi]

Thats Interesting on the blowing wind.
What is your scope rated for? I dont have a portable scope. I would like to see you try this test with the same size copper,aluminum and iron wire attached to the tree and see if there is much difference in relation to just the probe readings.

The little meter said between 25 to 35 db, whatever that means

Probably this.
"The decibel unit can also be combined with a suffix to create an absolute unit of electric power. For example, it can be combined with "m" for "milliwatt" to produce the "dBm". Zero dBm is the power level corresponding to a power of one milliwatt, and 1 dBm is one decibel greater (about 1.259 mW)."

[Farmhand]

Yes I see, I forgot to say that as the wind increased the amplitude of the wave got greater. Like it got skinnier and higher. The scope was saying 10 to 20 mv AC RMS but it is confusing the meter was set to I think 20 Mv per division and the wave was a few divisions in height. My own sine wave was bigger when I measured it. But I didn't use screws for attachment points on myself, I just grabbed it.

It does look as though the waveform is very similar to my Transmitter wave form. And it may be getting picked up by the tree's I didn't consider that. I'll turn it off next time and get a photo of the screen, I don't have iron wire but I have bare steel wire. No aluminium wire either "yet" I need to get some aluminium welding wire and some stainless, for experiments.

Cheers

[MonsieurM]

Thank you very much Farmhand for taking the time off of your other projects to run a test on the tree. The data you will provide will be crucial for us to have a tree "agree" to let us use it as an antenna .

have a look at this post http://www.energeticforum.com/143046-post74.html

DATA COLLECTION Height
Test Time Voltage Nail Penetration Nail from No. of
No. Intervals DC Tree Type Nail Type Depth Diameter Ground Nails Soil Type Altitude

1 7:00 PM 0.9 VDC PINE STAINLESS [3/4]'' [1/8]'' 3 FT 2 LOAM
2 7:25 0.9 VDC PINE STAINLESS [3/4]'' [1/8]'' 4 FT 2 LOAM
3 7:40 0.9 VDC PINE STAINLESS [3/4]'' [1/8]'' 5 FT 2 LOAM
1 1:00 PM 1.0 VDC PINE STAINLESS [3/4]'' [1/8]'' 5 FT 2 CLAY-SAND

and this post:

http://www.energeticforum.com/143705-post15.html

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updated post# 91

http://www.energeticforum.com/143716-post91.html

[Farmhand]

Hey no probs, I am interested too. I'll get some scope shots and take some details from the tree's, I won't ask their name's, just size, type and so forth.

I seen 11.52 Khz and 23.04 Khz in this post below as a overtone of 45 Hz. Is it possible the tree I scoped was jumping from one overtone 11.52 Khz to the next overtone 23.04 Khz. These are very close to the frequencies I measured today and well within the margin for instrument error and natural variation.

http://www.energeticforum.com/143705-post15.html

Would you believe that I can partially light a CFL with 5 Ma at 70 volts or 0.35 of a watt input to a Tesla coil, it isn't totally lighted only half but I could not understand how that is possible. It would seem that 20 Ma at 70 volts or 1.4 watts input should do it. So it is conceivable that a tree could run a light from energy it stored during the day plus what it collects at night.

Which is another thing to think about, tree's may well give more power out at night if tapped. When they are resting and not growing. Don't know.

Cheers

[MonsieurM]

check out Tourmaline, I thought we could use tourmaline deposited in the receiving bucket's bottom to increase the electric potential and diminish the time it takes for the water to charge in the kelvin experiment:

tourmaline

Tourmaline, "The Electric Stone", is exploited in hundreds of patents. Here are several select patents and articles of especial interest in regard to the production of electricity by tourmaline, and agriculture.

Aetheric Bioelectrical Polymeric-Matrix: A Molecular Resonance Material: "Wizzers blend" Ergonite Polymeric Matrix Material EXD/XHD (read it on the right column )

Tourmaline
A source of Far Infrared (FIR) and Negative Ions

Tourmaline is prized as a beautiful, semi-precious gem.

Now, as a mineral, it has become a focus of research at universities and research centers worldwide.
The reason - infrared Tourmaline is the only one mineral to show permanent electricity on the earth and is also a natural (non-manufactured) source of negative ions and far infrared (FIR) rays.
It is also known to be helpful for improving circulation, relieving stress, increasing mental alertness and strengthening the immune system function (Niwa Institute for Immunology, Japan. Int J. Biometeorol 1993 Sep; 37(3) 133-8).
Around 1986, it was found in a research station in Japan that, even though tourmaline was broken down in smaller pieces, a positive and a negative electrode existed on both end of the crystal, and the electrodes never disappeared unless tourmaline was boiled near 1000°C.
In addition, when the positive and the negative electrodes of a tourmaline crystal were connected to each other, it was proven to show low electricity of 0.06mA.

Tourmaline, in your filter, is used to naturally transform water into mild alkaline water, reduce water clustering (what happens to our stored water) and has anti-bacterial and deodorant qualities. (i have one of those)
Treated water applied to the skin gives an excellent effect of moisturizing and absorption.

In addition, Tourmaline generates FIR that purifies the water, and acts like a 'supercharger', assisting the water alkalizer to ionize and alkalize.

Tourmaline has been researched and found to activate animal & plant metabolism.

Tourmaline has an immediate and powerful effect on water in the filter with the surfactant effect (makes water wetter) increasing by 101%.

Negatively ionizes water and supports extra negative ionization in the water alkalizer. (24,140/cc) / FIR (96%)

- Reduces cluster size

- Enhances taste

- Assists alkalization

- Minimizes water odor

- Increases DO (Dissolved Oxygen)

The far infrared energy that Tourmaline naturally emits causes a resonance in the body at the same frequency as water.
All matter is made up of uniquely-arranged electrons and molecules all moving in unison.
When molecules are illuminated with electromagnetic radiation of the same intrinsic vibration frequency as the substance itself, the electromagnetic wave energy is absorbed and the amplitude of that substance's molecular vibration is increased.

Catalyser of Mstate water anyone ?

[MonsieurM]

Now we have a complete set up than will surely be self running and enhances your mstate water (does not matter how you made it) if you combine the following posts:

#122 ( http://www.energeticforum.com/144601-post122.html ) + #129 ( http://www.energeticforum.com/144694-post129.html )


Special thanks to IndianaBoys for the inspiration

Reminder:

from The Alchemy of Capacitance - QUANTUM AGRICULTURE

Capacitance Antennae In a device known as a capacitance antenna, the conductor or coil serves to give rise to a magnetic field by briefly conducting or consuming an electric charge. As the electric charge is consumed it flows through the coil and creates a magnetic field with magnetic forces moving through the field lines. A dielectric or condenser is placed in the magnetic field. The dielectric is composed of many inner layers of an insulating substance like silica. As the magnetic current moves through the dielectric it creates weak electric fields in the many layers of the dielectric where the layers cut across the magnetic field lines. As a result an electric field is created around the dielectric when a capacitor is placed into a magnetic field. The electric field in turn is once again taken into the coil for a brief conduction which once again creates a magnetic field around the coil.

enjoy

[MonsieurM]

As i was reading through seth's thread : http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...y-success.html

it dawned on me, why not place an earth battery over your home water line. You know it does affect trees:

I found a testimony on how a tree can act as an adaptive antenna

Much sung about in Celtic lore, the apple tree has long been connected with the Goddess, paradise, and healing. In my yard there is a little piece of paradise in the form of a wise old apple tree, a remnant of the earlier orchard that grew here. This tree has suffered a great deal due to the spot it was planted upon. Growing on a water line as it does sounds like it would be ideal for a tree, potentially an opportunity to grow well even in dry times. However, the energetic field generated by underground water movement is taxing. It cannot get up and walk off, but it has done everything it can to move away from the electro-magnetic field below. The tree leans away from the line. Its limbs and bark on the side where the water line is strongest have all died. Only at about 15 feet in height can branches successfully commence to grow on that side. The other side of the tree has struggled on bravely. Branches on that side begin at 6 feet and swoop down as low as 4 feet. The tree’s own energy field (or aura) was lopsided, very weak on the one side and stronger on the other side, mirroring its growth pattern and overall poor health.

The Wisdom of the Apple Tree

[MonsieurM]

Hi Monsieur, I took the pulse of a large Ghost Gum tree today, I measured a main frequency at about 12 to 21 Khz and funily enough the waveform looks much like this. But not so jagged.

http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pRRfb3GHhbC-hKfSGJtsYX3-_WqjfVTgH_hPJD4AOmwse5ud4mfi4ffhzMkoiirPuFr60V7ZDJGCRVMpGMfRzMg/Tesla%20Coils-22%20009.JPG?psid=1

Which is why I didn't bother to photgraph it, yet. The frequency increased as the wind picked up and there was a definate minimum at about 12 Khz and a definate maximum at about 21 Khz, no matter how hard the wind blew the frequency never topped 22 Khz it went from 12 Khz to 20Khz with just a bit of wind and stayed there as the wind increased.

The little meter said between 25 to 35 db, whatever that means.
decibels ?

I only measured it 1.6 meters up the tree ( the probe) and right at the base, I used screws to get attachment points. I'll get a wire attached higher In a tree when I check a few more out.

So that sounds like a resonable frequency to keep in mind for now, I will check out some more as i get time. It's very windy here now and winter so it is not that pleasent outside some days.

Cheers

Farmhand, I think I found a way of explaining the graph and it is also applicable to our research on trees :

Within a coherent system, the range of the coherence (coherence length) becomes the constant quantity instead of the velocity. This makes frequency proportional to velocity apparently without restriction, so long as one remains within the coherence length. There can be many velocities each with a proportionate frequency; there can be as many frequencies as there are possible velocities. Frequency no longer has an absolute value, the system has become fractal in frequency.
As a consequence, effects can occur in many different parts of the electromagnetic spectrum all originating from the same source which might be chemical, biological or electromagnetic. It is this which links effects of frequencies characteristic of chemicals to technological frequencies and through to the frequencies of biological systems ( see my post#20 through 22 http://www.energeticforum.com/136257-post20.html ). It is also the reason why environmental frequencies can mimic a chemical exposure for hypersensitive patients carrying a toxic body-load of a matching chemical. Table 1 shows the fractal frequencies generated by imprinting the optical spectrum from a mercury discharge lamp into water.

Tree frequency measured by Farmhand the system has become fractal in frequency.



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And it respect the fundamental law of: (see http://www.energeticforum.com/psychi...tml#post144810 )

the Constructal/Fractal law of nature:

The constructal law puts forth the idea that the generation of design (configuration, pattern, geometry) in nature is a physics phenomenon that unites all animate and inanimate systems, and that this phenomenon is covered by the Constructal Law stated by Adrian Bejan in 1996: "For a finite-size (flow) system to persist in time (to live), its configuration must evolve such that it provides easier access to the imposed currents that flow through it[."

Homeopathy – How It Works and How It Is Done – 4 | HPATHY.COM

Along the same line:

Plants may be slow but, they are not stupid! – 2 | HPATHY.COM

the system has become fractal in frequency May be the key to all our research, I truly believe this is a major step forward.



so excited that i found this info ....links water in the tree and this research

[MonsieurM]

To Recap on some info I already posted:

Water appears to be one of the most abundant molecules in the Universe. It dominates the environment of the Earth and is a main constituent of numerous planets, moons and comets. On a far greater scale it possibly contributes to the so-called "missing mass" of the Universe and may initiate the birth of stars inside the giant molecular clouds. This paper gives a brief description of water and ice environments with an emphasis on their possible origin and subsequent development in the Solar System. Expanding the scope of hydrology to cover phenomena encountered on other celestial bodies is postulated and discussed.

WATER IN THE UNIVERSE

The Paper



I found this document, which i think is authored by Nicolas Tesla, I have uploaded it, so as you can have access to it

Quite different conditions exist in my system in which the electromagnetic waves or radiations are designedly minimized. the connection of one of, the terminals of the transmitting circuit to the ground having, itself, the effect of reducing the energy of these radiations to about one-half, Under observance of 'proper rules and artifices the distance is of little or no consequence, and by skillful application of the principle of "individualization," repeatedly referred to the messages may be rendered both non-interfering and non-interferable. This invention, which I have described in technical publications, attempts to imitate, in a very crude way, the nervous system in the human body

...I conclude that the invention wilt permit the simultaneous transmission of several millions of separately distinguishable messages through the earth, which, strangely enough, is in this respect much superior to an artificial conductor.' Nicolas Tesla

If Tesla tried to emulate the nervous system, isn't it logical to search the nervous system for clues

a while back i wrote this in a post on fractal antenna:

I think that Tesla was the first to realize the Constructal/ fractal properties of Nature and was able to use that in order to make a fractal antenna out of whatever he wished and to tap into the scalar waves as well. Some think that Scalar waves travel at the speed of thought (which is of course instantaneous), maybe it is and if so, then Scalar waves and "telepathy wave" are likely to be one and the same. Which leads me back to the title of this thread: The Brain is an Advanced Fractal Antenna.

Frontiers | Fractals in the nervous system: conceptual implications for theoretical neuroscience | Frontiers in Fractal Physiology

This essay is presented with two principal objectives in mind: first, to document the prevalence of fractals at all levels of the nervous system, giving credence to the notion of their functional relevance; and second, to draw attention to the as yet still unresolved issues of the detailed relationships among power-law scaling, self-similarity, and self-organized criticality. As regards criticality, I will document that it has become a pivotal reference point in Neurodynamics. Furthermore, I will emphasize the not yet fully appreciated significance of allometric control processes. For dynamic fractals, I will assemble reasons for attributing to them the capacity to adapt task execution to contextual changes across a range of scales. The final Section consists of general reflections on the implications of the reviewed data, and identifies what appear to be issues of fundamental importance for future research in the rapidly evolving topic of this review.

Neurobiologists Find that Weak Electrical Fields in the Brain Help Neurons Fire Together

"So far, neural communication has been thought to occur almost entirely via traffic involving synapses, the junctions where one neuron connects to the next one. Our work suggests an additional means of neural communication through the extracellular space independent of synapses."

link:
Neurobiologists Find that Weak Electrical Fields in the Brain Help Neurons Fire Together - Caltech Media Relations

I'm glad this document confirms my theory

http://www.energeticforum.com/141831-post9.html

http://www.energeticforum.com/142326-post57.html

Within a coherent system, the range of the coherence (coherence length) becomes the constant quantity instead of the velocity. This makes frequency proportional to velocity apparently without restriction, so long as one remains within the coherence length. There can be many velocities each with a proportionate frequency; there can be as many frequencies as there are possible velocities. Frequency no longer has an absolute value, the system has become fractal in frequency.
As a consequence, effects can occur in many different parts of the electromagnetic spectrum all originating from the same source which might be chemical, biological or electromagnetic. It is this which links effects of frequencies characteristic of chemicals to technological frequencies and through to the frequencies of biological systems ( see my post#20 through 22 http://www.energeticforum.com/136257-post20.html ). It is also the reason why environmental frequencies can mimic a chemical exposure for hypersensitive patients carrying a toxic body-load of a matching chemical. Table 1 shows the fractal frequencies generated by imprinting the optical spectrum from a mercury discharge lamp into water.

Tree frequency measured by Farmhand the system has become fractal in frequency.



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And it respect the fundamental law of: (see http://www.energeticforum.com/psychi...tml#post144810 )

the Constructal/Fractal law of nature:

The constructal law puts forth the idea that the generation of design (configuration, pattern, geometry) in nature is a physics phenomenon that unites all animate and inanimate systems, and that this phenomenon is covered by the Constructal Law stated by Adrian Bejan in 1996: "For a finite-size (flow) system to persist in time (to live), its configuration must evolve such that it provides easier access to the imposed currents that flow through it[."

Homeopathy – How It Works and How It Is Done – 4 | HPATHY.COM


fractal is the key here

From Brain Waves to Mathematics of Fractals
- The beauty of numbers behind irregular functions - (ppt presentation)

http://www.nara-wu.ac.jp/initiative-MPI/images/nwu_only/Kawamura-file.pdf

This invention, which I have described in technical publications, attempts to imitate, in a very crude way, the nervous system in the human body

...I conclude that the invention wilt permit the simultaneous transmission of several millions of separately distinguishable messages through the earth, which, strangely enough, is in this respect much superior to an artificial conductor.' Nicolas Tesla

just search fractal brainwave and you will find a lot of info on this

one essential point is for you guys to think Outside the Box, none of us can truly tell what are scalar waves, they could be as diverse as their are different type of waves in the ocean (ask a surfer )



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Computational Modeling of New Kinds of Fractal Antennas and
Fractal Frequency-selective Structures Based on Them

Abstract| Authors' realized modeling of two kinds of fractal antennas with similar structure, but different algorithms of development. The first antenna geometry is a figure "Life Flower" and the second one is series of crossed circles nested to each other. The obtained results were analyzed and conclusion of the practical applicability for these antennas was made. The obtained theoretical results allow us to conclude that synthesized fractal antennas have multi-band and wide-band features. Besides the direct usage, such fractal structures performed on micron-level may reveal an application in a wide class of new fractal frequency-selective materials and surfaces. The applicability sphere of fractal antennas in modern technologies was shown: cellular communication, wireless information transmission and reception, and radar location devices. Also application filed was described for fractal antennas in modern technology: cellular communications, wireless receiving and transmitting information devices, and radar.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=10&ved=0CF0QFjAJ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpiers.org%2Fpiersproceedings%2Fdownload.php%3Ffile%3DcGllcnMyMDA5TW9zY293fDVQNV8xOTMzLnBkZnwwOTAyMTkxNDUyNTQ%3D&ei=Vo7_TbXqCo26hAf65c2aCw&usg=AFQjCNEi50g5kLYfGzs-KlN5Rob9nwlwYA

A catalog of patterns

Image Catalog Table

[MonsieurM]

Remember : the collapsible bladder (from http://www.energeticforum.com/144601-post122.html ), it emulates your heart...

the collapsible bladder (it may facilitate the creation/concentration of ORM in water ex:your heart ):

YouTube - ‪Innovative micro hydroelectric turbine‬‏

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/7786-innovative-micro-hydroelectric-turbine.html

Though in video water flowing from tap is shown it works same way if there is a reservoir at starting of the collapsible bladder and if small pipe is connected to it.

Clearly the processes of suction and pressure need to be examined.[ No beneficial, natural exchange can take place solely under conditions of pressure. . Viktor Schauberger

Remember what Tesla said:

Experience is made before the law is formulated, both are related like cause an effect. Nicholas Tesla

... before the blood enters or when it leaves the heart, the arteries do something that actually i have been discussing for a while:

Vortical flow structure identification and flow transport in arteries

1. Introduction
Our interest in vortices arises for two reasons. Firstly, at moderate to large Reynolds
numbers (at least 100) which characterise flow in larger arteries, vortices are quite
persistent. The presence of vortices in a flow may exert a strong influence on its behaviour, although tracking vortices may be difficult as they can evolve rapidly. The effects of vortices or vortical structures are particularly evident when considering both flow stability, and the processes of mixing and transport by the flow. The object of this paper is to examine the dynamics both of vortex motion and of particle transport in arteries, and to relate these to parameters such as geometry and unsteadiness. The Lagrangian particle tracking and the vortex dynamic techniques which are described should help in understanding arterial fluid dynamics and suggest new approaches to modelling.

http://www2.imperial.ac.uk/ssherw/spectralhp/papers/CMBBE-DoShFrPe-02.pdf

ps: if you think about it your body generates its own Mstate Water

[boguslaw]

Please help me solve the riddle : why is water a liquid ? - it shouldn't be !